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And who makes that call ? Nine times out of Ten it's usually myself.  But do I always get it right ? No - I don't, even now. 


The Alicante-based Spanish / German Filipino-sourced watch-botching outfit SpeedTimerKollektion have a LOT to answer for. 

Five years ago, I was still very much an innocent 7A38 'Newbie' and blissfully unaware of the existence of such things as Frankens.

I certainly hadn't done very much (if any) research into all the different legitimate permutations, and none into their reputation as a known purveyor of cobbled together junk, so I hadn't a clue that the 'RARE' watch I was intially so pleased with was a complete and utter Franken - to this day, the only one I've ever seen on eBay with a 'split dial'. It was a few months later (when the two dial plates started slipping apart) that I realized I'd been sold a pup.

I felt like a complete fool in having been duped.  That started me off on a one-man crusade  - flagging all and any 7Axx's listed on eBay (and elsewhere) that I saw, in my informed opinion, as 'Wrong Un's. I started a thread on the RLT forum in April 2010:

http://www.thewatchforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=53526 entitled: Heads Up On Yet Another 7A38 Franken


As indeed you may have read, in this sticky thread at the top of our eBay section, which I wrote at the end of January 2012:

http://www.seiko7a38.com/apps/forums/topics/show/7156720-the-purpose-of-this-section-is- and to quote myself from there:


Many of you will, at some time or other, have read the seemingly never-ending thread which I started in the Japanese section of the UK RLT watch forum, back in April 2010, entitled 'Heads Up On Yet Another 7A38 Franken'. Some 200+ posts and 21,400 views later, it still appears to be attracting readers, even though it hasn't been updated in the three weeks since I left RLT on 7th January ....


I just checked on it this morning and that thread has now received 35,500 views !! 


May 5, 2014 at 6:33 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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You'll note that the first paragaph in my first post of that thread in the eBay section goes on to state:


I will say right now, that I have absolutely NO intention of picking up where I left off. If somebody else wants to start and maintain such a thread, and has sufficient knowledge to do so, then please - be my guest. :P


O.K. So that New Forum / New Year's Resolution didn't last very long. :roll:


Because now we have multiple threads in the eBay section (as indeed there were other such threads on RLT):


Topic # 7172454 - Heads Up on yet another 7A38 Franken(s) - Part 2 !!

Topic # 7451104 - Latest mis-matched hotch-potch 7Axx spotted on eBay / Yahoo.jp

Topic # 7488840 - Yet another 7Axx on an undisclosed non-original bracelet ....

Topic # 7741323 - Original bezel? I think not! Caveat Emptor!


.... to name but a few. :lol:


May 5, 2014 at 7:13 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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How do I make that judgement call when I see what I believe is a 7Axx Franken, you may ask ? :|


There's a few factors:

1) I now have over 5 years experience of obsessively studying these watches.

2) I have almost 25,000 images of 7Axx's (and derivatives) stored in my PC folders - I right click and save every photo I see.

3) I've built (for my own enjoyment) nearly a dozen Franken 7A38's, including a couple using the 'split dial' technique. 

4) 'The Bible' - Seiko Oceania's database: http://service.seiko.com.au/ Catalogue Search: Caliber / Case No / Model / Part Number


After I've studied and compared photos of known 'good' examples, I'll regularly check Seiko Oz's database, when I see any watch that doesn't look quite right to my eyes. I have an enquiring mind - and from a previous career (17 years with intel) a background in spare parts, which gave me more than adequate grounding in interrogating complex multi-level Bills of Materials, so Seiko Oz's simple single level Parts Lists will often yield an answer, with very little effort.


The issue with basing judgements on Seiko's database is that it's unfortunately not quite complete. Apart from quite a sizeable chunk of 7A28 data, there are also certain (well-known) 7A38 model codes, like the 7A38-6010, 7A38-710A, 7A38-7050 and the two-tone 7A38-7190 that are completely missing. If you know the watch that you're looking at, it's not difficult to interpolate any missing data.


The problem arises when you encounter an unusual variation of watch (particularly a variant with an 'unknown' dial) for the first time.

If it doesn't exist, as such, on Seiko's database, it's all too easy to dismiss it as a Franken.

Which is what I very nearly did a couple of years ago when I first encountered the Italian market 7A38-706A/B variations.


May 5, 2014 at 7:38 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Again I've got history.  To get an idea of where this thread is heading, may I refer readers to another old thread on the RLT forum:

http://www.thewatchforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=71380 entitled: Sometimes These Things Just Gotta Be Done.

Subtitled: A somewhat belated Heads-up on a 7A38 Franken


If you read through it, you'll see that a number of amendments were made to my second post - I'd called it wrong (in the first place). :roll:

This was my own very first sighting of the Italian market version of the (gold-tone) 7A38-706A with the Arabic numbered 727O dial.


For further background reading, we now have two model specific topics on these rare (and genuine) Italian market 7A38 variations:

Topic # 9135213 7A38-706A (Seiko SAAxxxJ sales codes unknown) - Gold plated (includes Arabic and Roman dial variants).

Topic # 9100797 7A38-706B SAA084J Two-Tone White (Roman & Arabic) dials (I now suspect that sales model code is wrong).


The problem with the (4) sub-variants in those two threads is that none of them (per se) are documented on Seiko Oz's database ....

and apart from the two-tone 7A38-706B with the hitherto unseen 720L dial (which is), I now believe other variations may exist besides.


May 5, 2014 at 8:33 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Again, to help explain that I sometimes have self-doubts, I'll need to refer you to another thread (on this forum for a change):


It happened again recently on page 3 of the Latest mis-matched hotch-potch 7Axx spotted on eBay / Yahoo.jp thread.

The first line of my first post on the first page of that thread is hopefully self-explanatory:


And yet another thread - a category for watches that aren't exactly blatant Frankens .... just not quite as they should be.


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To save readers flicking to the other thread, I'll copy and paste the relevant posts over to this one:


Originally posted (by myself) February 10, 2014 at 10:30 PM


O.K. It's Quiz Time. :P Anybody else like to have a go at saying what's wrong with this 7A38-7060 listed by an Italian eBay seller ?


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111276328051


Raro cronografo Seiko modello " Chronograph 7A38-7060 " 1 /10S

movimento quarzo - perfettamente funzionante in tutte le funzioni - revisionato recentemente

Bracciale in acciaio autentico dell'epoca

Vetro minerale privo da graffi 

Diametro cassa escluso corona : 36 mm 

Buona asta


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Originally posted by Donwatch February 10, 2014 at 11:38 PM


I'm not sure----The bezel does not belong for sure---and maybe the back belongs to the two-tone version ?

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Originally posted (by myself) February 11, 2014 at 12:22 AM

 

You're on the right track, Don.  The clue is on the case-back - or should I say; in something that isn't on the case-back. ;) 

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Originally posted by Donwatch February 11, 2014 at 12:46 AM


Stainless steel---so everything ok except bezel ?

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Originally posted (by myself) February 11, 2014 at 1:10 AM  


Far from it Don. Try again ! :lol:

PS - There's another clue in the (unrelated) email I just sent you. ;)

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Originally posted by Donwatch February 11, 2014 at 2:58 AM


Case back dates May 1984 and that dial is from '86-'88 ????

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Originally posted by fmc000 February 11, 2014 at 8:21 AM


The case back doesn't mention the gold plating on the bezel, maybe?

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Originally posted (by myself) February 11, 2014 at 9:09 AM


Exactly, Fabio - but as I hinted to Don, I suspect there's rather more to it than that. 

At first glance, the casual observer might think that they were looking at a two-tone 7A38-7060.

To start with, there's the gold plated bezel and the light silvery grey metallic coloured dial. But then look closely at the case-back, which is stamped 7A38-7060, you'll see it just says 'STAINLESS STEEL' not 'ST.STEEL SGP BEZEL' as you'd expect to find on the two-tone.




The bracelet is a p/n G1105, but it's the all stainless 'S' version rather than the two-tone 'C' version, with the thin strips of gold plating on the inner links. The pushers and crown are not plated - all of which ties in with the 'STAINLESS' 7A38-7060 case-back. So parts of the watch are 'correct'.


I believe the dial is not from a two-tone 7A38-7060, but a US market 7A38-7069. Although these two dials (Seiko p/n's 708LXN14 and 708LXN28) look very similar, there is a subtle difference between them: the 7A38-7069 dial has thin black lines painted on the batons. It's also fitted with black painted hour and minute hands, whereas the (European export model) two-tone 7A38-7060 has gold-plated batons and matching hour and minute hands.


Where this seller has slipped up, in my book - and what made their subterfuge more obvious, is that for reasons best known to them, they've used the silvery-white Tachymeter ring from the stainless 7A38-7060, rather than the silvery-grey one from the 7A38-7069. Sandwiched between that gold-plated bezel (presumably off the 7A38-7069) and the silvery-grey dial, it sticks out like a sore thumb.




Note also that the day wheel shows DOM in the seller's photos - the Spanish abbreviation for Sunday. 7A38-7069's are invariably fitted with English / Spanish day wheels. Of course, it may just be the the way the seller's photos are lit. I may be completely wrong. :P


In case you're unfamiliar with the three variations of 7A38-706x I've cited above, here's links to photos I've posted in the WRUW thread:

7A38-7060 SAA015J Stainless: http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa373/Seiko7A38/7A38-706x/P1090949.jpg

7A38-7060 SAA016J Two-Tone: http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa373/Seiko7A38/7A38-706x/P1100928.jpg 

7A38-7069 SAA028J Two-Tone: http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa373/Seiko7A38/7A38-706x/P1090699.jpg


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Originally posted by fmc000 February 11, 2014 at 10:54 AM


How were we supposed to guess all of that? :/ You're clearly the only one in the world that would have. :) My only thought is the usual one: why in the world does anyone have to spend so much time and efforts to build up a mess like that? They clearly mixed up two different watches creating one that will probably sell for a tenner more or less...

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Originally posted by Donwatch February 12, 2014 at 3:24 AM


Because it CAN be done AND be rare "The only one in the world " lol :roll:

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May 5, 2014 at 9:04 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Don may have had 'the last word' in that string of posts :P - and he's certainly not wrong: these Franken 7Axx combinations are often 'the only one in the World', and they're invariably described by eBay sellers as 'RARE' - as indeed was that Italian 7A38-7060. :roll:

But the last word really should have belonged to Fabio - and there's some irony to this, because he's Italian.

He should have pulled me up on my little faux pas, where in trying to prove my assumption about the dial, I'd written:

Note also that the day wheel shows DOM in the seller's photos - the Spanish abbreviation for Sunday.

Because, as I remembered afterwards, DOM is also the Italian abbreviation for Sunday. 


After we'd had that little discussion, I went back a few times and studied the seller's photos. Although there's no denying the watch was definitely a 'Wrong Un' in one respect, because of the discrepancy of a gold plated bezel on an otherwise ostensibly all-stainless watch (as shown by the case-back stampings), I couldn't convince myself that my assumptions about the dial had been entirely correct.

Perhaps it was just simply down to poor lighting, but that dial certainly looked a lot darker than the silvery-white 708L dial you'd find in an unmolested stainless 7A38-7060. 

 

May 5, 2014 at 10:53 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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So you can imagine my initial reaction, when I saw this listed on eBay Italy at the end of last month, with an identical title. 



Raro cronografo Seiko modello " Chronograph 7A38-7060 " 1 /10S movimento quarzo - perfettamente funzionante in tutte le funzioni - revisionato recentemente

Bracciale in acciaio autentico dell'epoca

Vetro minerale privo da graffi. 

Diametro cassa escluso corona : 36 mm 

cinturino pelle non originale 



The red description (also copied almost verbatim from the previous Italian seller's listing) ought to have been enough to put me off ! :roll:


May 5, 2014 at 11:35 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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My apologies for the time it's taken me to write up this thread today (and for keeping it locked while doing so), but I'm nearly there. ;)


Although the seller's listing title is identical to the earlier 'Wrong Un' on eBay Italy in Februrary, which we previously discussed:

SEIKO CHRONOGRAPH 7A38-7060 VINTAGE WRIST WATCH RARE

The important difference with this one, is that if you look closely at the seller's case-back photo, it's actually stamped 7A38-706B.

Not only that, but it's also stamped: BASE METAL ST. STEEL BACK - which would be correct for this particular watch case.

Strange, because both the gold-tone Italian market Arabic / Roman numeral dialed variants that I already own are 7A38-706A's.

Note that in the seller's photos the day abbreviation shown is GIO - Italian for Thursday - so no confusion on my part this time. :roll:

In the higher resolution version of the first photo, the dial part number appears (like the previous 'Wrong Un') to be 708L.




But again, like the previous one, I can't quite make out whether the batons and centres of the hour and minute hands are gold -

as you'd expect them to be on a two-tone or gold-plated variant. I can't believe that Seiko would have deviated from that 'norm'.


Anyway, I had to know this time. As you can see from the screen shot of the listing, the seller wasn't offering postage outside Italy.

Payment was by Bank Transfer, with no PayPal option either, so once again I enlisted Fabio's kind assistance to bid on it for me. ;)

There was a slight hiccup, in that the seller didn't want to sell it after he won the auction (because of an undisclosed chrono' fault) ....

The upshot being that we were fortunate to be able to buy it rather cheaper. :)


The answer to the $64K question remains, for now,  though .... Have I deliberately bought myself another 'Wrong Un' this time ? 


May 5, 2014 at 12:23 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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I did ask Fabio please not to bother to take any Q&D photos, this time, before he posted the watch on to me, but he did regardless. ;)

So here's one of them. :P




One thing I'd been pondering: was this watch fitted (incorrectly) with the silvery white 708L(XS17) dial normally used in the stainless 7A38-7060 - which would have made it a 'Wrong Un' in my book. The dial certainly looked that same colour in Fabio's Q&D photo. :/


Fabio's package arrived in the post this lunchtime. :) The dial is more or less exactly that colour, and indeed is printed 708L ....

Underneath their black-painted tops the dial batons at first appeared to be gold-plated - rather than silver. But were they actually ? 

This is how they appeared in an (artificially lit) photo with the dial / movement removed from the watch case:


May 13, 2014 at 12:30 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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I haven't forgotten about this thread and will post updates in due course (once I've got the movement running properly ....)

But in the interim, here's something slightly off-topic, but also very much connected with something I wrote earlier, regarding:

 

The issue with basing judgements on Seiko's database is that it's unfortunately not quite complete. Apart from quite a sizeable chunk of 7A28 data, there are also certain (well-known) 7A38 model codes, like the 7A38-6010, 7A38-710A, 7A38-7050 and the two-tone 7A38-7190 that are completely missing. If you know the watch that you're looking at, it's not difficult to interpolate any missing data.


I have a pretty good idea of the reason behind the missing data. Around that time, in the early 1980's, many large companies would have been switching from keeping Bills of Materials and other product-related records on microfiche to mainframe computers. I know, because I was working for intel as a spare parts specialist at the time, and even they had kept older parts data stored on microfiche.

Needless to say, with the rapid rate of change of intel's technology products, a lot of this older stuff, like this, never made it across.




Guess what came up on eBay in the States overnight ? :|


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291147927329


Check out the seller's last photo. Note what is printed on the right hand side of the Seiko microfiche handling tabs: Japan 83-5.



Perhaps these microfiche may even include the case parts data for these missing Italian 7A38-706A / B variants. But I doubt it. ;)


May 16, 2014 at 6:13 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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But underneath their black-painted tops the batons at first appeared to be gold-plated - rather than silver ....


Here's a Q&D wrist shot I posted in the WRUW thread this afternoon, showing that effect - in hindsight, probably caused by reflection.


May 26, 2014 at 9:09 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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But is it a genuinely rare previously unseen Italian market model variation ? :/ T.B.H., I'm still not 100% certain in my own mind. 

More for devilment, than in hope of getting any kind of sensible response, I've just posted that same wrist shot photo on the Italian O&P forum's Censimento 7A28/38/48 thread, with the caption: 7A38-706B - una variante del modello raro per il mercato italiano. :P


One thing is perfectly clear though and that is (unlike the previous 7A38-7060 'Wrong Un' on eBay Italy, which I serially dissed), the case-back stampings on this watch: 7A38-706B BASE METAL ST. STEEL BACK are correct for the watch case materials used. 




Like my two previously acquired gold-tone 7A38-706A's, documented in the model specific thread, this also has a 8Dxxxx prefix serial number, giving a late-ish date of manfacture of December 1988. Perhaps this was a last-gasp production run for the Italian market. :/


Although the case-back has a couple of watch-botcher's slipped tool marks and the centre seconds finger tension spring was best described as mangled, the watch, as a whole, shows little sign of having been 'messed with'. There is certainly no evidence of the bezel having ever been levered off the watch case: the area around the top left hand lug, where the removal notch is, is pristine.




Which means that the silvery-white Tachymeter ring fitted must be original - the same one used in my two Italian market 7A38-706A's:




Like my two undocumented Italian market gold-tone 7A38-706A's, the -706B's movement is fitted with an English / Italian day wheel.

But that proves absolutely nothing. We all know how easy it is to release the crown stem and swap a dial / movement beween cases.


Perhaps instead of that silvery-white 708L(XS17) dial, which is normally found in a stainless 7A38-7060 ....


.... it should really be fitted with the same hitherto unseen 720L(XS19) dial used in the documented two-tone version of the 7A38-706B:


Who's to know ?  Does anyone, besides a 7A38 'anorak' like me really care ? 


I'd told Fabio, before the watch had even arrived, that if I subsequently determined it was a 'Wrong Un', I planned to break it up for parts - to use the watch case to improve one of my gold-tone 7A38-706A's. As it stands, I'm going to hold fire, for the time being at least, in the hope that another, exactly the same may show up somewhere. But then two wrong un's don't necessarily make it right. :P


May 26, 2014 at 9:38 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I probably also owe Don and Fabio something of a belated apology, in regard to my possibly over-enthusiastic critique of that mostly stainless 7A38-7060 listed on eBay Italy in February, which resulted in Fabio's: How were we supposed to guess all of that? :/


In hindsight, particularly taking into account what I've since learned from this gold-tone 7A38-706B - you weren't. :P

In retrospect, it was the eBay seller's poorly lit first photo, which initially confused me and prompted me to write:


I believe the dial is not from a two-tone 7A38-7060, but a US market 7A38-7069. Although these two dials (Seiko p/n's 708LXN14 and 708LXN28) look very similar, there is a subtle difference between them: the 7A38-7069 dial has thin black lines painted on the batons. It's also fitted with black painted hour and minute hands, whereas the (European export model) two-tone 7A38-7060 has gold-plated batons and matching hour and minute hands.


Looking again at their third or fourth listing photo, the dial colour looks a lot lighter - almost silvery white, as opposed to silvery grey.

On the stainless 7A38-7060's 708L dial, the tops of the batons are also painted black, in the same manner as the 7A38-7069's dial.  




Particularly when you compare it to this (previously rejected) photo of my 7A38-706B's 708L dial which I recovered from my Trash Bin:




So perhaps it was just as Don implied originally: simply a stainless 7A38-7060 someone had fitted with an incorrect gold-plated bezel.

Having said that, it was still definitely a 'Wrong Un' in that respect. ;)


May 26, 2014 at 3:41 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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I'd told Fabio, before the watch had even arrived, that if I subsequently determined it was a 'Wrong Un', I planned to break it up for parts - to use the watch case to improve one of my gold-tone 7A38-706A's. As it stands, I'm going to hold fire, for the time being at least, in the hope that another, exactly the same may show up somewhere. But then two wrong un's don't necessarily make it right. :P


Well, confirmation of the existence of a gold-tone 7A38-706B fitted with the silvery-white 708L dial, as an italian market model variation wasn't long in coming, was it ? :lol: Except this one isn't quite 'exactly the same' as the one I'd bought myself a couple of weeks ago. :roll:


Here's a copy and paste of the post I've just made in the Bad examples of re-finishing seen on eBay thread in the eBay section.


Originally posted (by myself) on June 3, 2014 at 12:25 AM


Be very careful of this one listed on eBay Italy earlier this evening - it's not quite what it seems.

To the uninitiated, it may, at first glance, look like a stainless 7A38-7060 (on an incorrect bracelet), but it's not - look closer ....


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221454992344


Dalla mia collezione privata vendo: 

Cronografo Seiko 7A38, 15 rubini, cassa e bracciale in acciaio (non dell'epoca), con quadrante intatto silver.

Il diametro è di 39mm, esclusa corona e pulsanti. Giorno della settimana in italiano e inglese. 

Funziona perfettamente. Le foto sono dell'orologio in vendita e sono parte integrante dell'inserzione.



The first clue that something's not quite right is in the apparent colour of the edges of the dial batons and centres of the main hands.



Notice the (wrong) direction of the brushing on the bottom right hand lug in the above photo.




The damning evidence is in the seller's last photo, showing the case-back stampings: 7A38-706B BASE METAL ST. STEEL BACK.


It was once a gold-tone 7A38-706B, like this:




Except it's been almost completely stripped of its gold plating. Look closely and you can still see a couple of tiny traces they missed.


June 2, 2014 at 8:01 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Like my two previously acquired gold-tone 7A38-706A's, documented in the model specific thread, this also has a 8Dxxxx prefix serial number, giving a late-ish date of manfacture of December 1988. Perhaps this was a last-gasp production run for the Italian market. :/


Not exactly a surprise that this almost completely stripped example of a gold-tone 7A38-706B also has an 8Dxxxx serial number. ;)



June 2, 2014 at 8:08 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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In fact, the Italian eBay seller Calleval (Valentino Callegari) is actually a member of this forum - under the same username.

My apologies to Valentino for not recognising him initially (but then he's never posted anything in the two years since he registered).

However, he does post rather more regularly on the Italian Orologi & Passioni forum - as CalVa.

Here's a thread he started about this particular 7A38, back in May 2012: http://orologi.forumfree.it/?t=61744220


Un 7A38 anche per me

Per colpa vostra (  ) mi sono innamorato di questo cronografo al quarzo.... e oggi finalmente ne ho uno anche io:




Dial bianco/silver, anse scoperte da 20mm, data italiano/inglese... devo dire che è un oggetto davvero molto affascinante!


June 2, 2014 at 8:33 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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If you right-click on Valentino's above photo, you'll see that I'd captioned his saved image erroniously using my normal nomenclature:

7A38-7060-Stainless-Silvery-WhiteFace-LeatherStrap-Orologi&Passioni-CalVA(Valentino)


Possibly an easy mistake to make, as Valentino didn't include a photo of the case-back, nor mentioned the case number in his post.

My confusion was futher compounded by these other two photos of the same watch, which he later posted in other threads on O&P:




Possibly understandable - particularly looking again at the latter. ;)


June 3, 2014 at 5:03 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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However, in hindsight, some two years later, I find it inexcusable that I didn't make the connection to where Valentino bought the watch.

Particularly as this was only my second post in the Latest mis-matched hotch-potch 7Axx spotted on eBay thread:roll:


Originally posted by myself on May 14, 2012 at 4:52 PM


The next one didn't pop up on my radar, quite as quickly as it otherwise should have. But I suspect that might have something to do with the number of revisions this would-be Italian seller has made to his auction listing, over the last few days. :/


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/180880961779

Seiko 7A38 vintage


 

vendo raro seiko 7a38 perfettamente funzionante appena revisionato. posso valutare proposte. 

n.b. il prezzo di spedizione è giusto , motivi: le tariffe esorbitanti di ebay.


On the face of it, it looks like a common-or-garden stainless white-faced 7A38-7060, fitted with a non-original leather strap.

But look closely at the top right-hand corner of the 'collage' listing photo and you'll see the case-back stamping 7A38-706B ....


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I don't believe Valentino bought it against that listing, but (likely in good faith) on a subsequent re-listing.

However, it was also listed on eBay Italy Classifieds for most of May 2012, with three rather larger photos:




Note the traces of the original SGP gold-plated finish on and around the pusher housing. ;)


June 3, 2014 at 5:20 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Speaking of Seiko parts list records on microfiche (as I was a couple of months ago):

 

I have a pretty good idea of the reason behind the missing data. Around that time, in the early 1980's, many large companies would have been switching from keeping Bills of Materials and other product-related records on microfiche to mainframe computers. I know, because I was working for intel as a spare parts specialist at the time, and even they had kept older parts data stored on microfiche.


Spotted this new post on SCWF by Northdock:

http://www.thewatchsite.com/21-japanese-watch-discussion-forum/115130-my-jeweler-had-big-suprise-me.html



Some folks have all the luck. :roll:


July 24, 2014 at 4:17 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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