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donwatch
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Before the 7A's there was Seiko's 1964 Crystal Chronometer.  ----   Then in 1969, it was the  Suwa   3500 Quartz Astron-------(100 watches produced)-----In 1970 Suwa came out with the 35SQW.     The SQW bumped the Hz to 16,384 from 8,192 in the Astron.   ---  (1,800  SQW watches were produced).   Also in 1970 Daini factory working on their Quartz came up with the 3600 series with first CMOS.---- (1,000 watches of cal 3600 produced).      --THEN-- in 1971 Suwa Factory,   perfecting the 3500 came out with the 3800 series.( According to my research this was the start of Seiko's first mass produced QUARTZ watches.,---some say the 3800 series had the first CMOS ! ---- I have a 3823 VFA from December 1971 ( rated at 5 second / month ) in gold clad. It took a year searching on Ebay to find it.  :P  The watch is an early un-signed 3823 VFA with original Saphire crystal with a purple tint 8)     

 

March 5, 2016 at 2:39 PM Flag Quote & Reply

donwatch
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I have another 3823 VFA in Stainless with the same December 1971 production date...... :P       

March 5, 2016 at 3:52 PM Flag Quote & Reply

selfdater
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Thanks Don - that's a really nice (and lesser seen) 3823. Having recently got into early Seiko quartz, I only have a handful of examples,including just one 3800 series: a 3863-7049 from 1974 (snowflake dial "3003"). I'll go for a picture when there's some light...

I'm always on the lookout for good examples of early/unusual/interesting models including 3823s so I fully intend to post here when appropriate.

Thanks to Paul for the new forum section!

March 5, 2016 at 3:55 PM Flag Quote & Reply

selfdater
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Got a 3883 there Don?

March 5, 2016 at 3:56 PM Flag Quote & Reply

donwatch
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Lindon, I wish  :/   The guy I bought the stainless 3823 had sold a 3883 several month before I bought his 3823   :roll:

March 5, 2016 at 4:21 PM Flag Quote & Reply

selfdater
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Well - I guess we'll both keep looking. :) I passed on a non-working (and not great condition) 3883 a couple of months ago - I never had the confidence that I'd be able to get it up and running...

March 5, 2016 at 4:30 PM Flag Quote & Reply

selfdater
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Here's my one and only - a snowflake dial 3863-7049 from 1974. The dial is marked "3003" which makes it a non-JDM model; a JDM 3863 was likely to be labelled "QR"


March 13, 2016 at 10:17 AM Flag Quote & Reply

selfdater
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For reference, the 3800 series came in several grades:


Normal 3-handers from bottom to top:


Calibre   Labelling               Accuracy
386x QR(Japan), 3003(non-JDM)     20 sec/month
380x      QT(Japan), 2002(non-JDM)     15 sec/month
382x      VFA                         5 sec/month
3883     Superior(Japan), GFA(non-JDM) 2 sec/month (!)


This table gives a complete breakdown and is useful reference for most of the 70s quartz:

http://forums.watchuseek.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1577212&d=1406514505


March 13, 2016 at 10:44 AM Flag Quote & Reply

selfdater
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I just received a 3803-7031 from 1974 in great condition. It seems to have been very lightly worn in its 42 years and it came with the original (deteriorated) strap, buckle and box. I've never really been a man for gold watches - but this could convert me.

In the 1974 catalogue, this was the fanciest 3803 you could buy and would have cost a salaryman a tidy ¥92,000.



May 14, 2016 at 11:05 AM Flag Quote & Reply

donwatch
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Nice one, is it " gold cap"  ?  I have a 3823  VFA frosted dial & gold cap I'll soon post  8)

May 14, 2016 at 12:16 PM Flag Quote & Reply

selfdater
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Yes Don - it's Gold Cap :D

May 14, 2016 at 1:23 PM Flag Quote & Reply

donwatch
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SEIKO 3823-7040-- Gold Cap--July 1974-- V.F.A.    :D     

May 14, 2016 at 10:13 PM Flag Quote & Reply

donwatch
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Another in Suwa's 38 series-- A 3803-7030   From Feburary 1973.   Non original band--Keeping time----It has gained ONE second in TWO months and that is off and on the wrist   8)                       

May 15, 2016 at 1:40 PM Flag Quote & Reply

selfdater
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Very nice Don - you know where I am when you've had enough of them :~0

May 15, 2016 at 2:20 PM Flag Quote & Reply

donwatch
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This is my newest Seiko 3803-7020 from July 1972.   From Yahoo Japan  8)    It is a JDM  model with it's original faceted crystal.   Notice the end of the second hand......I believe it is a representation of the tuning fork quartz crystal    :/     The dial has gold outer markers and gold hands.....

   

June 22, 2016 at 10:21 PM Flag Quote & Reply

selfdater
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Nicely retro, Don - these early 3803s have a pizzazz of their own. I think they can still be found at good value too.

June 23, 2016 at 5:07 PM Flag Quote & Reply

donwatch
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Lindon, I am an old Railroad watch collector from way back-- and had to have this one.   Ebay  :P    It is another (+/-) 15 seconds---    3803-7070 from May 1973.    Railroad "style" dial in silver.... Simple, only raised Seiko and printed "quartz" with day wheel in English and Spanish, so not JDM  --- Original band & Lume still works !   8)            

June 23, 2016 at 10:54 PM Flag Quote & Reply

donwatch
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Here is a nice QR 3863-7001   JDM   From Sept. 1973--- This one is rated at 20   sec / month.....Notice the second hand.  Factory painted black plus a wider tip   :)   Easy to see, I really like this one     8)        

June 25, 2016 at 3:07 PM Flag Quote & Reply

selfdater
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Just landed is a VFA from 1974, reference is 3823-7001. The bracelet is original but short, with a generic clasp fitted. If anyone has one lying around...


I'm also looking for some more clarity on case references - this one (7001) has a Kanji/English day wheel and matches (including bracelet) the JDM catalogues from 1974-1976. Unfortunately, I have not seen catalogues prior to 1974 but I have a suspicion (based on pictures on the internet) that the bracelet on the 7000 case is substantially different. It's possible that the 7000 is the earlier model. Or maybe not - I know that the last digit can be a regional indicator - and a '1' could be (non-Japan) Asian markets. Any knowledge gratefully received...


Anyway, a photo!


August 7, 2016 at 2:13 PM Flag Quote & Reply

hi_bri
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Just wanted to throw in my silver version of the Seiko VFA 3823-7040:


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-Brian

August 27, 2016 at 5:35 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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