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Seiko7A38 at February 22, 2017 at 5:48 AM

This 7A38-7070 was listed yesterday evening, by an Italian eBay seller with an opening bid price of 200 Euros.

Note the seller's use of the word 'originale' in the title, also used to describe the bracelet in his description.


I've commented before about watches appearing to have been painted - re-sprayed to improve their cosmetic condition. It appears to be a technique used mostly by Italian eBay sellers. I've occasionally been been proven wrong, maybe unintentionally tricked by the lighting of the seller's photographs. I don't think I'm sticking my neck out too far in saying that I believe the (original p/n B1241S) bracelet on this watch has been re-sprayed. Just look at that 4th photo. Even the clasp has been sprayed - all completely the wrong shade of silver-grey. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162404170117



Vendo orologio Seiko 7a38 7070 cronografo day date al quarzo anni 80 per eccellenza. Esemplare perfettamente funzionante. Guarnizioni nuove. Cinturino originale completo ed in ottimo stato. Introvabile in queste condizioni e a queste cifre. Fanno fede le foto dell'annuncio. Non si accetta la restituzione.


Incidentally, the Italian eBay seller is also advertising this watch on the free classified site, Subito.it.

Same set of photos (+1 extra) and a similar description, but with an asking price of 400 Euros. :roll:


http://www.subito.it/abbigliamento-accessori/seiko-7a38-7070-originale-arezzo-190206144.htm



Apologies for the complete 'Quote and Reply' of a previous post (something I actively discourage), but for the benefit of any potential buyers, I needed to carry this information forward to the new page. Not wishing to make excuses, but with so many items on my eBay watching page (most of which I have no intention of purchasing), I can't always keep as close an eye on all of them as I should.


This unscrupulous Italian eBay seller's presumably repainted 7A38-7070 is a case in point. I'd added the original auction listing to my eBay watching page and at some point noticed it had attracted a couple of bids - maybe it had been bid to 221 Euros. What I'd previously failed to spot is that the seller had ended that listing early, 'because the item was allegedly no longer available'.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162404170117




He then re-listed it as a Buy-it-Now, for 400 Euros - the same as his Subito.it listing.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162411662466


Very much a case of (and even more so now) .... Caveat Emptor, as always, Gentlemen. 


March 2, 2017 at 5:27 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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No, you're not seeing double.  Yesterday afternoon, a couple of hours after he re-listed the above 7A38-7070 (now item # 162415943437), the Italian eBay seller listed another. Oddly, given that the previous one appears to have a re-painted bracelet, he doesn't use the word 'originale' in either the title or description of this one. However, it's priced accordingly higher @ 550 Euros - well outside the realms of sensibility. Both are only 3-day (rather than 30-day) listings and so I shalln't be bothering to keep posting the latest eBay item number. No doubt they'll be re-listed ad nauseam until a mug punter comes along. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162416031032



Vendo orologio Seiko 7a38 7070 cronografo day date al quarzo anni 80 per eccellenza. Esemplare perfettamente funzionante. Guarnizioni nuove. Cinturino completo ed in ottimo stato. Introvabile in queste condizioni e a queste cifre. Fanno fede le foto dell'annuncio. Non si accetta la restituzione.


Note the different (original) finish on the bracelet of this example - particulary the SQ clasp. Like his previous 7A38-7070, this one is also advertised on the Italian free classifieds site, Subito.it, with a new listing created a couple of days ago.


http://www.subito.it/abbigliamento-accessori/orologio-seiko-7a38-7070-cronografo-arezzo-190336989.htm




But in hindsight, I seem to remember seeing earlier adverts for both of them on there, going back to December last year. :/


March 3, 2017 at 8:32 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Here's another average used condition 7A38-7070 listed earlier this evening by a US eBay seller. Opening bid price is $300 and although that's possibly a little on the high side, I doubt he'll have any difficulty selling it.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232259547501

 

Vintage Seiko Quartz Chronograph Sports 100 #7A38-7070 Divers Watch - works 

Beautiful watch, running well. Great piece. 100% authentic. 

CANADA PLEASE REQUEST A SHIPPING PRICE 

Returns Accepted

All dimensions in photos

Please Ask Questions


O.K. then - How about .... what dimension are you supposed to be measuring in that second photo ? :lol:


March 3, 2017 at 3:35 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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The above US eBay auction listing for a 7A38-7070 ended an hour ago, selling for $325 after 6 bids.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232259547501


March 10, 2017 at 2:20 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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This average worn condition 7A38-7070, fitted with a non-original replacement Seiko bracelet, was listed earlier this evening by a German eBay seller, with an opening bid price of 200 Euros.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162412484063


 

Hallo!

Sie bieten hier auf eine absoluten Klassiker unter den Seiko Chronographen, aus dem Jahr 1983 

SEIKO Sports 100 Chronograph. Selbst bei ebay sehr selten! 

Die Uhr bietet folgende Funktionen: 

- Anzeige der Uhrzeit mit Datum und Tagesanzeige

- Gangreserve, wenn der Sekundenzeiger 2 statt 1 Sekunde zählt, soll die Batterie erneuert werden

- Stoppuhr

- Kleiner zeiger rechts vom Chrono bleibt auf 3Uhr

- Tachymeter

- drehbare Lünette mit Skala von 0 - 60

- Das Gehäuse ist gut erhalten, das Metall-Band ist original.

- Durchmesser ist ca 41 mm , Höhe 13 mm, Anstoßbreite 20 mm. 

Ohne Uhrenbox

Die Uhr ist natürlich gebraucht, aber in eine guten Sammler Zustand. Ich habe mehrere Uhren in Auktion sind alles Sammleruhren und gebraucht die ich Geerbt habe ich versichere das es original Uhren sind und Funktionieren. Batterien können bei manchen Uhren ausgebaut oder auch leer sein.

Viel spass beim bieten.


Belated Edit: The above auction ended on 19th March, with no bids placed and so presumably the watch remains unsold. :/


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162412484063


March 12, 2017 at 3:04 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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A slightly unusual For Sale post appeared on the SCWF Trading Post yesterday evening. It's for an almost mint 7A38-7070.

I thought it unusual, because no price is stated, simply 'Offers Invited'. Now I seem to remember that one of the original 'hard and fast' rules of SCTP, which in the past was rigorously enforced, with a number of FS posts being removed for that very reason, was that a seller had to state their asking price in the title. It seems their rules have become slightly more relaxed - and have since morphed into 'guidelines'. Looking at point #5 they probably haven't proof read it properly (since adding #4a) and need to do some more editing. :roll:


http://www.thewatchsite.com/8-seiko-citizen-trading-post/73354-seiko-citizen-trading-posting-guidelines.html




I didn't spot the FS advert till this afternoon and it's obviously been edited at least once, but here's how it reads at present:


http://www.thewatchsite.com/8-seiko-citizen-trading-post/270626.html

Offers Invited: near mint Seiko 7a38-7070 chrono - still available



Note that apart from the minor faults described by the seller, there also appears to be a short (but possibly deep) slipped tool mark on the otherwise pristine case-back, almost encroaching on the '7A38' stamping. :(


March 24, 2017 at 11:08 AM Flag Quote & Reply

donwatch
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I messaged the seller and asked what offers he'd had. He said he got one offer for $450 and counter offered  $650. :/

March 24, 2017 at 12:25 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Thanks for that, Don. It'll save me wasting my time (and his) emailing him. ;)

Thing is, if the guy wants $650 for it, why not state $650 (possibly with o.v.n.o.), instead of 'Offers Invited'.

After all, we are talking about a 34-year-old secondhand Seiko watch, not a piece of prime real estate ! :roll:


Actually, he's probably just fishing to see what he can get for it. I thought the username OutaTime (and 7A38-7070) rang a bell. 8)

He picked it up in a local Texas pawn shop in July last year, for what he gleefully stated then was 'a very reasonable price'.

Here's the SCWF thread which he started and his original set of photos:


http://www.thewatchsite.com/21-japanese-watch-discussion-forum/235394.html  Fresh Catch: Minty 7A38-7070




Note that in the above post he stated: 'There are some Jaxa tool marks on the case back' .... which he's conveniently omitted to mention in his current SCWF FS advert. Short term memory loss, perhaps ? :P


March 24, 2017 at 1:51 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Looks like SCWF seller OutaTime's 'Offers Invited' sales ploy worked - that 7A38-7070 sold in the early hours of this morning ....


http://www.thewatchsite.com/8-seiko-citizen-trading-post/270626-sold-near-mint-seiko-7a38-7070-chrono.html




.... for a currently undisclosed sum. :/ Regardless of what it might state in the ineffectual SCWF Trading Post 'guidelines' section:


4a. With the heading Offers Invited a price is not required in the title or body of your post but please for the benefit of other members post the price that was finally agreed on when sold.


March 25, 2017 at 8:59 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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This well-worn one-owner 7A38-7070 was listed yesterday evening by a UK eBay seller, with an over-optimistic opening bid price of £275 and only one rather uninspiring photo, which it has to be said, belies the seller's description of its condition.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/142381168247


For sale is my Seiko 7A38-7070 chronograph divers watch. Was bought new about 1985. The watch is in remarkably good condition although the bezel has a few marks from normal use. The crystal is completely unmarked as it has been replaced. The stop watch and re-timing functions work correctly all resetting to the zero position, as per the pictures. The bezel was all cleaned and rotates freely like new.

This sports style is sometimes refereed as the Wave or speedmaster. Quartz 15 jewel movement. There are 3 push buttons for the stop watch and accumulative timing with an outer tacho scaled ring.The crown is the normal 3 position for changing time, date and day ( English/ French}

The stainless steel 40mm case and bracelet are all original, once again there are no signs of damage apart from normal use as his watch has been well looked after, bearing in mind the vintage of this watch.

Feel free to come and inspect before buying.


May 13, 2017 at 7:42 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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That one was followed, hot on its heels, by another 7A38-7070, in similar well worn condition, listed this afternoon by Italian eBay seller contintasca, (who happens to be forum member 'Christian'), with a Buy-it-Now asking price of 250 Euros.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232334061576


Up for auction is this Seiko 7A38-7070 Quartz Chronograph from 1984. The 7A28/7A38/7A48 models by Seiko were the world's first analogue quartz chronographs and are still highly regarded as among the best and sturdiest quartz movements ever made.

This watch has been stripped down and serviced with Moebius synthetic oils. A new original caseback gasket, high quality Sternkreuz mineral crystal and battery have been fitted.

The chrono pushers have been disassembled, cleaned and lubricated and work crisply with a well defined pressure point.

The chronograph works properly and resets well.

The bidirectional bezel is tight and turns with sharp clicks. It could use a new bezel insert.

The bracelet fits wrists up to ca. 18 cm (see photo). The clasp has a little dent.

The case with its typical matte finish is in good condition with some tiny marks (see photos).

Dial, markers and hands are in excellent condition.

Day/date change and quickset without issues.

Not waterproof tested!

Please refer to the photos, as they are an integral part of the description. Any questions welcome.

Check out my other auctions. I have a large stock of Seiko vintage parts.

I ship worldwide and combine shipping.

ALL european bidders pay 12 Euros

ALL extra-european bidders pay 16 Euros


Indeed, as Christian states, it's always worth checking the photos. Although the bracelet fitted to this watch appears to be of the correct hinged link style, it's not technically correct or original to this watch. In the last 2 photos, it can be seen that the underside of the bracelet fixing tubes are stamped GA55A. This indicates it's the similar appearing bracelet off a JDM 7A28-7050 (the Giugiaro 'swivelling head' chrono), as opposed to the correct bracelet, which is stamped B1241.E. The Speedmaster logo'd clasp from that bracelet has been swapped for the 7-hole SQ style, to complete the illusion. It also begs the question why, seeing as he had to remove the bezel to replace the crystal, why the seller didn't bother to replace the tatty bezel insert with a Yobokies repro' item. :/


May 13, 2017 at 9:57 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Christian
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Paul, you don't have to remove the bezel to replace the crystal (being cautious the bezel gets only very slightly bent outwards) and I don't know how to retrieve the Yobokies insert, do you?

May 14, 2017 at 4:43 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Interesting technique, Christian. Myself, I've always removed the bezel to replace the crystal on this style of 7Axx Divers with the aluminium bezel insert, rather than risk bending it, because of the lack of clearance. There are certain models I know you can get just away with it - the 7A38-6060 / -6070 and 7A38-7050 / -705A spring to mind. But there are others, like the 7A38-6020, where the inner bezel rim overlaps the crystal's bevelled edge, where it's far too risky. As a matter of interest, may I ask what replacement crystal you used ? :| It clearly isn't a genuine Seiko p/n 310W64GN00, because there's no perceptible polished bevelled edge.


Not sure what you mean by 'retrieve'. You can order the Yobokies 7Axx repro' bezel inserts direct from Harold Ng by emailing him: [email protected]. Harold doesn't have a website as such; he just uses his PhotoBucket account to show what he's currently got on offer. These repro' inserts can transform a 7A28 / 7A38 Diver with a badly worn bezel. More details in this thread:

Replacement 7A38-7070 bezel replacement ideas.


May 14, 2017 at 6:23 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Christian
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Thanks for the info Paul. I used a Sternkreuz crystal. I've never succeeded in removing a bezel without marking the case, even when protecting it with tape, and you can't put on too many layers either. My watches are nearly always fully serviced and the asking price and Make an offer option clearly reflect the fact that the watch is a bit let down by the insert. Will shoot Harold a mail.

May 14, 2017 at 8:07 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Another 7A38-7070 appeared on eBay in the early hours of this morning, listed by an Italian seller. Or should I more correctly say re-listed. In case their eBay user ID 19mic73 doesnt ring a bell straight away, scroll back up to the top of this page. Presumably it's one of the two examples this seller was listing previously. Again, this one is also for only 3 days at a time, but now with a new set of photos, taken on a plain background - though they're still not exactly the most helpful. :/


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162515170748


Vendo orologio Seiko 7a38 7070 cronografo day date al quarzo anni 80 per eccellenza. Esemplare perfettamente funzionante. Guarnizioni nuove. Cinturino originale completo ed in ottimo stato. Diffidate degli annunci con componenti non originali. Introvabile in queste condizioni e a queste cifre. Fanno fede le foto dell'annuncio. Non si accetta la restituzione.


May 14, 2017 at 10:38 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Christian at May 14, 2017 at 8:07 AM

Thanks for the info Paul. I used a Sternkreuz crystal. I've never succeeded in removing a bezel without marking the case, even when protecting it with tape, and you can't put on too many layers either. My watches are nearly always fully serviced and the asking price and Make an offer option clearly reflect the fact that the watch is a bit let down by the insert. Will shoot Harold a mail.


Christian's 7A38-7070 sold later on Sunday afteroon:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232334061576


I suspect the rather cheaper cost of the Sternkreuz replacement crystal may also have had some bearing on the pricing ....

Hence my most recent 'tongue in cheek' post in the Crystals and Gaskets thread earlier today. 49 Euros, for Chris'sake !! :roll:


May 16, 2017 at 7:59 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I'm in 'catch up' mode today - this is something I'd thought about mentioning a couple of weeks ago, when it was listed by a UK eBay seller, but never got round to it. It's obviously  the 709L dial and partially dismantled / incomplete movement  from a 7A38-7070.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/142365709357

Seiko Black Dial Chronograph Sports 100 Quartz Movement Spares Or Repair



Here I have a Seiko Quartz Chronograph Sports 100 Movement for Spares Or Repair.

I have no idea whether the movement is complete or if parts are missing. The parts beside the movement will be included.

Sold as not working and for parts.

Free UK postage, international shipping is by eBay global shipping programme and their charges are nothing to do with me.


The auction ended a week or so ago, selling for £36 after 7 bids.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/142365709357


May 16, 2017 at 8:05 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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This was what reminded me ....

A 'head only, listed by a US eBay seller, in the early hours of Monday morning - being offered through eBay's GSP programme.

At first glance (from the top), it might appear a tidy case, but the watch has suffered from a horrendously terminal battery leak. :(


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/322516464589


Watch movement is severely damaged and most likely unrepairable. The stem for the crown is also broken.

The case, crystal, and dial are actually in very good condition. Please contact me with any questions.


May 16, 2017 at 10:09 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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And while I'm scraping the proverbial 'Bottom of the 7A38-7070 barrel', there's also this ....

A rather battered looking example, fitted with a horrible replacement stainless expanding bracelet, listed on Sunday evening by a UK eBay seller, in a job lot with other Seiko watches, which are probably best described as 'car boot fodder'.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/112406313536


JOB LOT OF VINTAGE SEIKO WATCHES INC Seiko 7A38 -709LT, 8223-5000U, SQ50, SQ100, LADIES 1400-4560R.

ALL UNTESTED FOR WORKING.


May 16, 2017 at 10:59 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The above UK eBay auction for a Seiko job lot listing, including a well worn non-running (untested) 7A38-7070, fitted with a replacement expanding stainless bracelet, ended yesterday evening, selling for £78.88 after 13 bids.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/112406313536

May 17, 2017 at 4:50 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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