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O.K., O.K., - I know what I wrote, in starting this section :roll: .... and to quote myself:


Many of you will, at some time or other, have read the seemingly never-ending thread which I started in the Japanese section of the UK RLT watch forum, back in April 2010, entitled 'Heads Up On Yet Another 7A38 Franken'. Some 200+ posts and 21,500 views later, it still appears to be attracting readers, even though it hasn't been updated in the three weeks since I left RLT on 7th January.

I will say right now, that I have absolutely NO intention of picking up where I left off ....


But these two Italian eBay sellers are really taking the p*ss. :o


Listed earlier today on eBay Italy, but with worldwide shipping / visibility:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/290664836337

Seiko chonograph vintage raro 7A38-7020 A5




It's a very small photo of the watch, on a large expanse of Italian marble work-top - but it's not too hard to figure out  that it's a stainless 7A38-7020 case, on an indeterminable bracelet, fitted with the yellow and black 713L dial and hands out of a 7A38-7140.

Hmmm. Now where can I find a suitable photo of one of those ? :/


Opening bid price  is a mere 1.00 Euro, but with 45.00 Euros shipping ....

Or a Buy-it-Now price of wait for it .... 1200.00 Euros (Approximately £1003.56) !!


He's back ! :D




January 31, 2012 at 10:07 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The next one, again from eBay Italy could almost be called subtle, in comparison ....

If it weren't for the seller's obvious greed and stupidity. :roll:

  

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/260946615336

SEIKO SPORTS 100 7A38-7080



 

It' s the head of the original 7A38-7080, with what appears to be a half-decent bezel.

But fitted with the dial, hands and presumably movement out of a 7A38-7180, like this:



 

I haven't quite yet figured out what the bracelet is off - but although similar, it's not off the donor 7A38-7180. I've got an idea it's off a black chrome H557 Ana-Digi - it's 18mm lug fitting, not 20mm, as it really needed to be, to match the lug box width of the head. You can see the mis-matched spread of the spring bars in the seller's third photo. 

 

His Buy-it-Now price is 399.00 Euros (no offers) which equates to approx. £333.68


But the unbelievable cheek of this same seller may be his own undoing - because at the same time, he was stupid enough to list this:

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/260946616524

QUADRANTE SEIKO SPORTS 100 7A38-7080




Which is the original correct 709L dial and hands from the 7A38-7080 he butchered. :roll: 

 

Buy-it-Now price of 99.00 Euros (again no offers) equivalent to approx. £82.79


Caveat Emptor - as always, Gentlemen. 


January 31, 2012 at 11:04 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Hmmm.

The now defunct 'Heads Up On Yet Another 7A38 Franken' (Part 1) thread on RLT:

http://www.thewatchforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=53526&st=195 has just turned 21,600 Hits !!!

Do you think someone could arrange a re-direct ? :D Seriously though, probably not a good idea. :/

I received a notification from Webs this morning. Apparently we're getting too much traffic already. :roll:

It looks like your site is having a very busy day. To avoid overwhelming your inbox, we have limited your email notifications to 3 per day. Please visit your site to see the additional activity!

I've installed a statistics package. You wouldn't believe how many visits we've had. ;)

January 31, 2012 at 11:07 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Oh, dear.

Somebody entered a bid of 1.00 Euro on the first Franken, and killed the Buy-it-Now. :D

January 31, 2012 at 2:10 PM Flag Quote & Reply

6309 7049
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Hi Paul, the bracelet came from a seiko sports quartz, ceramic coated. I have this watch. Tommorow write the references.
January 31, 2012 at 7:14 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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The bracelet came from seiko quartz sports 150  ref. 5H23 7029

February 2, 2012 at 1:16 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Thank you for your input, Manuel. ;)

However, I don't think you have correctly identified the bracelet on the Franken.

There is a 5H23-7029 on eBay in the USA, right at this moment. See: http://www.ebay.com/itm/180808697059






The gold ornaments on the bracelet of the 5H23-7029 are much narrower - indeed, that bracelet (Seiko p/n B1463E) looks more similar to the Seiko p/n B1412D fitted to the 7A38-7180. Apart from having much wider gold ornament bars, the links on the bracelet fitted to the 7A38-7080 Franken are also much flatter. It doesn't really matter if we ultimately manage to correctly identify the bracelet, or not - as long as anybody reading this understands that it's completely wrong for the watch.


Thank you for trying, though. ;)

February 2, 2012 at 1:53 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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It 's been a pleasure to identify the alien piece ;):).

 

February 3, 2012 at 1:20 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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6309 7049 at February 3, 2012 at 1:20 PM

It 's been a pleasure to identify the alien piece ;):).

 

The bracelet in an alien piece.
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February 3, 2012 at 4:19 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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The auction for that 7A38-7020 / 7A38-7140 Franken ended about half an hour ago at a ridiculous 321 Euros (approx. £266). :o

See: http://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&_trksid=p4340.l2565&rt=nc&item=290664836337

It seems like the start of 2012 is witnessing a trend for crazy 7A prices on the 'Bay - both asking and selling. :roll:

Not only was the watch a complete and utter (and pretty obvious) Franken, but there were some shenigans with the bidding. :/

Scroll down the bidding history I linked above, and you can see that around 10:00pm last night the seller cancelled all existing bids.

At that point it had reached only 45 / 50 Euros. Whether this was a vain attempt on his part to reinstate his original ludicrous Buy-it-Now price of 1200 Euros, I guess we'll never know, because pretty soon it had climbed back up to where it was - and then some.

February 7, 2012 at 4:02 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Needless to say - thankfully, that 7A38-7080 Franken (fitted with 7A38-7180 710L dial and hands) in my second post went unsold.

The seller has just re-listed it, but including the original 709L dial and hands from the 7A38-7080 in the same lot, as a 'spare' ! :lol:


See new listing item # http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/260953918350

SEIKO SPORTS 7A38-7080


 

SEIKO SPORTS 7A38-7080 CHRONOGRAPH

CON QUADRANTE DI RICAMBIO NERO E LUNETTE BIANCHE

RARISSIMO DA COLLEZIONE. IN OTTIMO STATO. FUNZIONA PERFETTAMENTE.


He's still asking a ridiculously over-optimistic 399 Euros for the combined lots - which are now effectively a 're-build-it-yourself' job. :roll: 

February 10, 2012 at 7:58 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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This was originally posted by 7Arcool (in the wrong thread, in the wrong forum section) :roll: - but still a good call, all the same. ;)


1981 SIEKO GOLD COLERD CHRONOGRAPH DATE THREE DIALS

Watchband Material: GOLD COLERD :o

>>>>I tem number: 200718958474

May I assume this could be a Sublte,dare I say it "franken"?

February 25, 2012 at 3:06 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Nothing subtle about that one Chris - and no prizes for spelling for the semi-(il)literate would-be seller. :lol:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/200718958474

MENS WATCHES  VINTAGE SIEKO CHRONOGRAPH




It's basically a two-tone 7A38-7060, fitted with the 701L dial and hands (and presumably movement) out of a gold-tone 7A38-7000.



 

1981 SIEKO GOLD COLERD CHRONOGRAPH DATE THREE DIALS

ALL WORKING GOLD COLERD SIEKO BRACELET

SWEEP SECOND HAND APEARS TO BE IN GOOD WORKING ORDER

SUPER QUARTZ MOVEMENT 5 YEAR BATTERY THAS ALL ICAN SAY FOLKS

IT WAS MY FATHERS IN PRESENTATION BOX LOOKS WELL


.... but looking at the state of the dial, I'd suspect that the seller's 'father' fell in the canal while wearing it, on at least one occasion. :lol:


February 25, 2012 at 3:11 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Incidentally, it's those polished gold-plated rims around the sub-dials in the seller's second and third photos (certainly not his skill as a photographer) which give away the dial as being a 701L out of a gold-tone 7A38-7000. Coming to think of it, it looks rather familiar ....


This suspiciously similar-looking, if not identical Franken, was previously listed in March 2011, with a rather better set of photos:




You'll notice that apart from having the wrong 701L dial, it's also fitted with the wrong case-back off an all-stainless 7A38-7280 ! :o


Might be worth messaging the current eBay seller, and asking him what the 7A38-xxxx case-back number is on his father's watch. ;)

February 25, 2012 at 3:50 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Here's a link to the relevant post about that one in the 'Heads Up On Yet Another 7A38 Franken' thread on RLT, dated 27/03/2011:

http://www.thewatchforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=53526&view=findpost&p=651070


Note that it previously sold for $142.51 (approx £88.59) ....

They say there's one born every minute - you can see for yourself the perceived intelligence of a person who buys such rubbish. :roll:

February 25, 2012 at 4:22 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I must admit, I'm I little surprised to find myself writing up one of José Sotto's (Watchcooking) eBay offerings in this thread ....

But despite his disclosure of a non-original bracelet, there's really no other way this watch could be described, but as a Franken. :(


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/370604174987

VINTAGE SEIKO QUARTZ CHRONO 7A38-7280 ARABIC JAN '88




 

Here's a Seiko Arabic quartz Chronograph, 7A38-7280....37mm

 

DIAL: Original dial in decent condition. Farci/English wheel. All functions work.

CRYSTAL: Replacement glass.

BEZEL: Chapter ring in good condition.

CASEBACK: Unpolished case......81....January 1988.

MOVEMENT: Overhauled 1 week ago.... watch keeps time.

BRACELET: Replacement bracelet, extension clasp placed, SQ lock.


The tachymeter ring, arabic numbered dial and case-back may be from a gold-tone 7A38-7280, but there it ends. 

The watch case (and bezel) is totally wrong for this dial. It's the one normally used for the 7A38-7190 and 7A38-7270 ranges.

Looking at the traces of gold plating inside the bezel, and on the pushers and crown, I suspect it may have been a two-tone variant.


In fact, checking back through my records, José sold a 'pukka' gold-tone arabic 7A38-7280 on eBay as recently as January this year.

It might have been a well-worn example, fitted with a longer SQ clasp closer, but otherwise O.K. So he should know what one looks like.



April 16, 2012 at 3:25 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Slightly  for this forum section, but ....

Another, rather more attractive 7A38-7270 / 7A38-7280 Franken is currently on offer in a FS (lot of 3) advert on Orologi & Passioni.

See this other thread: http://www.seiko7a38.com/apps/forums/topics/show/7609906-nicely-under-stated-7a38-franken-in-o-p-fs-job-lot

Edit: Not only 'off topic', but also a bit late. :roll: Already sold to another O&P forum member. See: http://orologi.forumfree.it/?t=61227741

April 21, 2012 at 1:14 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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That same hideous 7A38-7280 Franken (stripped 7A38-7180 or -7270 gold-tone case, etc., etc) which José Sotto ('watchcooking') knocked out in April (item # 370604174987) which incidentally I had omitted to mention, sold for an incredible $104 (approx. £66) 

is back on eBay. 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/320911521648

Vintage SEIKO Chronograph 1/10sec 7A38-7280 15J Day Date Quartz


The would-be seller has included 16 photos embedded in his description. Here's just 5 of them:




Vintage SEIKO Chronograph 1/10sec Day Date 7A38-7280 (basis 7A28 ) January 1988

7A28 is The World's 1st Quartz Analog Chronograph Made in Japan

ZUSTAND: Guter Zustand mit leichten Gebrauchsspuren, das Mineralglas ohne Kratzer Technisch: Einwandfrei Werk: Seiko 7A38 Quarz, 15 jewels, keine Kunststoffteile Mineralglas Abmessungen (X x Y): 37mm ohne Krone x 40mm Armband: Original Umfang (innen gemessen): 19cm Bandanstoß: 18mm Versicherter Versand mit DHL am Tag des Geldeingangs oder spätestens am nächsten

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Movement: Seiko 7A38 Quartz, 15 jewels, no plastic parts Hardlex Mineral Crystal

Condition: very good with little signs of wear, the glass without scretches

Size (X x Y): 37mm excl. the crown x 40mm Bracelet: Original For wrists up to 19cm Lug: 18mm

Shipping to worldwide


I say 'would-be' seller, because apart from still being a horribly cobbled together piece of junk ....

the deluded German eBay seller 'sonntagsuhr11' is asking 159 Euros (approx. £128.46) as a B-I-N - DOUBLE what he paid for it. :roll:

May 22, 2012 at 6:39 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Another one probably best avoided - even at the tempting opening bid price of only 1.00 Euro:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280919501537

Seiko Chronograph Sports 100 Day/Date



Verkaufe hier eine Uhr der Marke Seiko Chronograph Sports 100 mit Day/Date Anzeige. Das Gehäuse ist Schwarz und hat ein Durchmesser von 40mm, das Band ist aus Edelstahl mit Schwarzen Einlagen und ist signiert mit Seiko. Das Model ist 7A38-7070. Das Gehäuse und Band sind mit mittleren Gebrauchspuren, Lünette mit Starken Gebrauchspuren,Lünette leicht drehbar muss eine neue Feder ersetzt werden. Glas ist kratzfrei. Die Drücker müssen etwas stärker gedrückt werden um den Chronograph zu starten und zurück zu stellen, sonst in einwandfreien Zustand,läuft prima. Privatverkauf keine Rückname.


It may have the case-back and 709L dial from a 7A38-7070, but the well worn black case is from a 7A38-7080. It's also fitted with an unidentified Seiko bracelet that probably originated from an 80's LCD model. Might be useful to break for spare parts though. 


PS - Gotta love this bit of the description: 'sonst in einwandfreien Zustand' - which translates as 'otherwise in perfect condition'. 


July 12, 2012 at 8:16 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Back in January 2011, I saw an interesting - read different 7Axx Franken listed on eBay Italy.

It was a 7A48-5000 dial in a gold-tone 7A38-7280/9 case - the first time I'd seen this particular dial / movement / case combination.

Here's the post (#116) from the RLT 'Heads Up On Yet Another 7A38' Franken thread:

http://www.thewatchforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=53526&view=findpost&p=626573


Unfortunately, I appear to have lost the original eBay listing photos - probably during the reorganization of my Photobucket account. :(


I always knew this was doable, anyway, before I saw that one  - and some dial / movements will be a direct swap, without the need for any minor modifications to dial ring spacers.


So just to prove that the reverse is true, here's another 7A38 / 7A48 Franken I found today on Vatera.hu (Hungary's eBay equivalent):


http://ekszer-ora.vatera.hu/karora/ferfi_karora/seiko/seiko_15_koves_quartz_stopper_1621678862.html

Seiko 15 köves Quartz Stopper




Google (direct)  translation of the description as follows:

 

Display: Analog

Bracelet Material: Stainless Steel


SEIKO 7A38

-15 stone, four rotors, adjustable walking accuracy,  part-timer (0.05 sec)

reliability, accuracy class unique,  beautiful condition

  

Hardlex scratch resistant glass.

100M Water Resistant

 

picture of the structure for illustrative purposes only.


IIRC, the movement shot included in the listing is one that Foggy (Ian Fogden) posted of his 7A38-7060 many years ago on TZ-UK.

Here's the same photo (re)posted by Foggy in a thread on RLT, way back in July 2006:

http://www.thewatchforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=15417&view=findpost&p=160519





Getting back to the franken subject matter ....

It's clearly a 7A38-7000's 700L dial / movement in a 7A48-7009 case and bracelet, using the 7A48-7009's Roman numeral dial ring.

The bezel is probably the original 7A48-7009 part, with the gold plating stripped off / polished, rather than from the 7A38-7000 donor.

Asking price is a fanciful 45,000 Hungarian Forints - equivalent to approx. £120 / $190US. What's Caveat Emptor in Hungarian ?? :/

July 25, 2012 at 6:24 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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