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Sometimes you've got to have some sympathy for the 'poor' eBay seller. It can be a pretty nerve-wracking experience. I know myself. 

I can remember last September, when I was selling my first 7A38-6010. I'd started the bidding @ £29.99 (with no reserve set). By the last day bidding had stalled @ £101.00 and I was wondering whether it was going to end in a snipe-fest or just fizzle out - and so not meet the final sale figure I was hoping for. So I withdrew it, and subsequently sold it off eBay to a forum member, who had expressed an interest. In the hours that followed, I received half a dozen messages asking why it had been ended early, saying that they were planning to bid on it - including a couple of offers, one of which was very close to the figure I'd wanted. :roll:


Take this well-worn 7A38-6010, whose eBay auction listing just ended a few minutes ago. I'd been watching it since the first day:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290918672009





Brand new battery. Watch repairman says it is working great although I can not guarantee that. I printed out instructions which I will include with the sale. Appears to have original Seiko watchband as well. 583244 is the serial number. 7A38-6010 is the model number. Steel back. Labeled water resistant.


As you can see, with a minute to go, there were no bids placed. I felt sure somebody (or maybe two) would snipe it in the final seconds. O.K., so the black chrome plating is worn in the usual places and the bezel insert looks like it has a couple of chunks out of it near '40', but given the overall condition, $75 bucks - less than 50 Quid wasn't an unreasonable figure. Suprisingly that's how it ended - unsold.


The auction only received 113 views over the 7 days - likely because it was only listed on eBay.com (without worldwide visibility).


Belated edit:

Subsequently re-listed, with '7A38-6010' added into the title and world-wide visibility, it sold a week later for $103.51 (approx. £68.27).


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290922280920


Bidders sat on their hands right till the end - all 4 bids coming in the last 10 seconds. This re-listing still only received 174 views.


May 26, 2013 at 12:00 PM Flag Quote & Reply

PHK
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I missed that one by a few seconds. (h***6 ( 95) US $101.01 02-Jun-13 22:17:39 BST)

 

 

But I really screwed up by somehow not seeing it first time around when there were no bids @ $75!

June 6, 2013 at 6:47 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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I guess I should add this onto the relevant model thread, though I'm still not 100% certain that it actually was (once) a 7A38-6010.

I'd already mentioned it in another thread in the eBay section - about halfway down page 2:

http://www.seiko7a38.com/apps/forums/topics/show/7588308-bad-examples-of-re-finishing-seen-on-ebay-caveat-emptor?page=2


I wrote there, 10 days ago:

 

Spotted this interesting looking little 7A38 Diver listed in a job lot on eBay Germany earlier today. Not quite sure what to make of it.

It could be a Franken combination of a stainless 7A38-6000 fitted with the gold-rimmed bezel and 601L dial from a 7A38-6010 ....

But I rather suspect it's more likely what once was a black-chrome 7A38-6010 that has been completely stripped of its coating.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190918419109


The seller has only uploaded the one photo ....




.... and there are no model numbers given in the description. So your guess is nearly as good as mine. ;)


I did try sending the seller a  message, asking what the caseback model number was. They replied with a 4Nxxxx serial number !

I tried once again, spelling it out: 7A38-xxxx and they came back and told me there was nothing. As I wrote in the other thread ....

Sometimes, I wonder why I bother. 


Anyway, the auction ended around lunchtime today, with the lot selling for 163 Euros (approx £138) after 18 bids:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190918419109


So should the winning bidder ever happen to read this addition to the thread, perhaps they could enlighten us as to its origins. :/


October 11, 2013 at 2:36 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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This 7A38-6010 fitted with a non-original (unusually curved ended) black croco' strap was listed earlier this week by a Peruvian seller:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190968462654



There are 11 different photos (including a couple of extra side views embedded in the description), many of which are very similar:




RARE SEIKO MILITARY CHRONOGRAPH 7A38-6010 DIVER MENS WATCH SS DAY&DATE

 

For Men, In Very Good Conditions and running well all functions.


DIAL & HANDS: Dial is BLACK with WHITE markers and SILVER/WHITE HANDS. DATE AND DAY AT THREE SIGNED " SEIKO QUARTZ CHRONOGRAPH SPORTS 100 JAPAN 7A38-601L T" IN VERY GOOD CONDITION , FOR MORE DETAILS SEE THE PICTURES PLEASE.

CROWN: GOLD PLATED SEIKO CROWN IN EXCELLENT CONDITION. AND BUTTON IN GOOD CONDITION.

CASE: Stainlees Steel BLACK Case, in GOOD condition,PRESENT ANY SCRATCHES, Back cover is signed:BASE METAL ST. STEEL BACK SEIKO WATER RESISTANT 4N3458 JAPAN S

REF : 7A38-6010

MOVEMENT: Original QUARTZ SEIKO CHRONOGRAPH MOVEMENT MADE IN JAPAN , SIGNED SEIKO 15 JEWELS REF. NUMBER Nº7A38A JAPAN

BEZEL: GOLD PLATES ROTATING BEZEL IN VERY GOOD CONDITION

BAND: NEW HIGH QUALITY LEATHER BAND

GLASS: Beautiful ORIGINAL Crystal GLASS, MINOR scratches.

MEASURES:

Width without crown: 1.50 Inches ( 38 mm )

Crystal Diameter: 1.14 Inches ( 29 mm )

depth: 0.47 Inches ( 12 mm )

length: 1.69 Inches ( 43 mm )

LUG 0.75 Inches ( 19 mm )

length w/band 9.25 Inches ( 235 mm )


Nothing more than an average condition example, with some wear to the black chome plating on the lugs and obviously bereft of its original p/n G1157F bracelet. I almost didn't bother mentioning in the thread, but then I noticed the seller's abuse of the term 'Military' in the title, which does annoy me. With a gold plated bezel, crown and pushers, this watch is about as 'military' as my big toe ! :roll:


November 17, 2013 at 8:27 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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That eBay auction ended with the 7A38-6010 selling for $127 (approx £78) after 5 bids - probably about the right price for condition:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190968462654


I thought that might be the last we'd see of it. But remember this photo with the bright red box / cushion ?


December 16, 2013 at 10:25 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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This afternoon, a 7A38-6010 (ill) fitted with an aftermarket black chrome bracelet appeared on Yahoo Japan auctions:


http://page10.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/m115555562

★激レアSEIKOセイコー7A38-6010クロノグラフ★検索:7A28




There are more photos (of the same red pillow) embedded in the listing description:



Also a couple of advert scans borrowed from this forum. A google translation of the would-be profiteering re-seller's description reads:

 

★ 7A38-6010 SEIKO SPEEDMASTER

★ The world's first quartz chronograph

★ overseas specification ★ military style

 

To exhibit the world's first quartz chronograph 7A38 of SEIKO. Will 7A38-6010 overseas specification without seeing very much in Japan among the 7A38 know you well. Those who do not that you have seen or will not be many? It becomes the original at the time.

It was developed as Overseas Limited model adds a day-date function to 7A28 it is said this 7A38 and name of the machine, in the late 1980s from the robustness, and it is adopted as Herikuru for and officer for government issue of the British Army .    Lindera board and black body reminds the military style, it is possible to adapt to a variety of strap, this 7A38-6010 which had been liked a lot in that.  It is a model 20 years ago, but we are working without any problems so far in function. Is moving Kokimiyoku also function of the chronograph, it is the impression that the body is as thin as its fast operation is very sophisticated together.  It is the state of the wound, but the glass, both small black chrome-plated body scratch jewels. It was helpful to have a try out because it is day date with. Day of the week is Spanish and English notation. I tried using about a week here for exhibition, but there has been little deviation.  I was allowed to use the new product this time watch band. It is in black PVD-coated stainless steel. You can adjust on your own can be adjusted in the bolt next to the piece in the negative piece precision screwdriver to adjust. I will also set new spring bar and remove spring bars band replacement service in this time. (There is a bald becomes therefore some amount that was stored in private but. Approve it) also, let me put up a copy of the manual in English. 7 A38 is the high-end models of the 7A28, which was launched as a multi-function analog quartz watch, the world's first in 1983 it became the base of Giugiaro model. It is the watch of the best performance for its time and calendar (can be split measurement) chronograph. I am planning a black cat Yamato shipping. It is 60 size. So thank you.


No, my dear Japanese friend - THANK YOU - for giving us such a good laugh !! :lol:


This greedy incompetent's opening bid price ? A mere 43,000 Yen - that's equivalent to $417.75 USD / £256 GBP !   


December 16, 2013 at 10:36 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Apart from the fact the Japanese speculator only paid $127 for the watch in the first place, here's something else to put his ludicrous 43,000 Yen opening bid price in perspective. Again, I didn't see this listing while it was live (very briefly, I suspect from the 30 views it received), but instead picked it up belatedly from a search on ended listings on eBay.com the following day:


http://www.ebay.com/itm/161176111410





Seiko 7A38-6010 Chronograph watch - excellent condition, sticker still on back

 

Case - no marks

Crystal - no scratches

Runs and resets as it should

Like new, sticker still on back

Great watch to collect and wear!


This 7A38-6010 was in very good condition, with minimal wear to the vulnerable black chrome plating and on its original bracelet.

Sold in the early hours, yesterday by dealer Jeff Resnick (who no doubt bought it cheaper himself) for a rather more realistic $250. 


December 18, 2013 at 9:23 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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That same 7A38-6010 was re-listed on Yahoo Japan auctions yesterday - this time reduced slightly from 43,000 to 'only' 39,800 Yen.


http://page10.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/m120582913

 

★激レアSEIKOセイコー7A38-6010海外仕様クロノグラフ★検:7A28



 

A couple of photos embedded in the description are different from those used in the previous listing - including this one of the red box.


December 31, 2013 at 8:47 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Would be profiteering re-seller Kool_menthol_99 is back on Yahoo Japan, re-listing his 7A38-6010 on incorrect bracelet once again:


http://page9.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k169074874

★SEIKO7A38-6010海外仕様クロノグラフ★検:7A28ジウジアーロ



The primary image is a cropped version of the same head-on photo he used the previous listing.

Apart from a couple of others that he's re-used, as was, there are three new photos he's taken recently, embedded in the description:



No sign of the 'giveaway' red pillow or box in this listing - indeed he's been clever enough to remove those images which were embedded in the description of his previous (long since ended) listing. But we still know which watch we're looking at, don't we ? ;)

This time around he's further reduced the opening bid price down to 'only' 32,800 Yen (approx. $322 / £193). Still a long way to go. :roll:


February 14, 2014 at 6:14 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Readers may have noticed that sometimes I might not write up about a watch listed on eBay until after the auction has ended.

There are a couple of reasons for this:

1). Simply 'pressure of work'. After all, this is supposed to be a hobby - not a full time occupation. There are only so many hours in a day and other things have to take priority; besides I might not remember until I see it drop off the bottom of my eBay watching page.

2). Deliberately - because I'm interested in it for myself and intend to snipe and hopefully win it, or ....

3). Other forum members may have expressed an interest - so rather than draw unnecessary attention to it while the listing is live.


This 7A38-6010 listed yesterday evening falls under the last category. Regardless I think I ought to write it up now, as a warning to all.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12128444766



OROLOGIO IN BUONE CONDIZIONI, FUNZIONA TUTTO, IL PVD E' BUONO. LA GHIERA E' PERFETTA. QUADRANTE E SFERE PERFETTI, ANCHE IL VETRO. TUTTE LE PARTI ORIGINALI DELL'EPOCA, NESSUNA PARTE DI FORNITURA O NON ORIGINALE.

IL MOVIMENTO HA LA FUNZIONE DI RATTRAPPANTE (SPLIT SECOND).

COMPRATE QUELLO CHE VEDETE NELLE FOTO, NON SI RISPONDE DI DANNEGGIAMENTI NELLA SPEDIZIONE. NO RESO.

BUONA ASTA.




Apart from the horrendous (even by Italian standards) shipping charge of 59.99 Euros, this one may turn out to be a costly mistake for whoever ends up buying it. As soon as as I saw it, it just didn't look 'right'. Study the seller's photos carefully. Notice anything missing ?

Further down the description the seller has written this: 

ENGLISH DISCLAIMER. REMEMBER: YOU BUY THAT YOU SEE. NO RETURN.

That's a slight corruption of 'what you see is what you get'. Ergo: what you don't see - you don't get.

3) THE ITEMS ARE ON SALE “AS IS”, NO RETURN TO SELLER. SEE HIGH RESOLUTION PICS ....

Compare this seller's photos with previous examples; there are plenty in the thread. Notice the 'blackness' around the outside of the lumed hour batons ? This watch appears to be missing its plastic minute marker ring. I suspect the crystal may have been replaced - either by a thicker non-standard one, which made the omission of the minute ring necessary, or that it was broken in the process.

Where will you find a spare replacement ? Or even the part number for it ? The 7A38-6010 doesn't exist on Seiko's database. :(

Apart from that, the bracelet appears to be rather short of adjustment links.

Caveat Emptor, as always, Gentlemen. 


February 28, 2014 at 7:22 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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For the record, the eBay auction for that 7A38-6010 ended yesterday evening. It sold for 103 Euros (approx £85) after 21 bids (6 by one particularly persistent bidder). I suspect he was Italian, so wouldn't have had to pay the whopping extra 59.99 Euros postage. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121284447669

March 10, 2014 at 4:14 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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That same 7A38-6010, missing its minute dial ring, was listed on eBay yesterday evening, presumably by its previous Italian buyer.

He's re-used the same 4 photos from the previous seller's listing:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111369944550


From my collection I am selling a vintage SEIKO CHRONOGRAPH SPORTS 100 7A38 - 6010 reference. 

This is a rare Diver Style model with black coating case and bracelet with golden bezel. 

The caliber is one of SEIKOs most popular ones and still sought-after as it is known for superb robustness, reliability and precision. This watch is from 1983, in original conditions. 

All functions are working properly: the stop-functions are working fine and the hands are running back to 12 o'clock position as intended to when resetting. 

Case, bezel and crystal are in very good conditions with minor signs of use; bracelet has a bit of wear on black coating as usual on these Seiko models. 

I will ship worldwide at the standard shipping cost. 

I'm offering this item as a private seller: no guaranty and no return, but watch is exactly as described and pictured.

Please ask for every question; only serious bidders, thanks.


June 2, 2014 at 3:49 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Serious Bidders ?? Are you kidding, or what ? :roll:

Having watched this eBay seller's shenanigans over the past week, nobody in their right mind ought to be bidding on this 7A38-6010.

First of all the original auction listing was bid up to about 70 Euros - then mysteriously ended early:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111369944550


It seems that at some point, he'd also listed it (in parallel) as a Buy-it-Now for 175 Euros:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111371628953



Then re-listed as an auction again, where the seller akarides had the nerve to add to the top of his description:

ATTENTION PLEASE: I HAVE TO RELIST THE WATCH CAUSE THE BUYER DIDN'T PAID; I KINDLY PRAY ALL BIDDERS TO NOT MAKE AN OFFER IF THEY DO NOT INTEND TO PAY, PLEASE DON'T WASTE YOUR AND MY TIME. THANKS.


That auction was bid up to nearly 80 Euros before being ended early, once again, this morning !


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111374350616


Apart from the fact this 7A38-6010 is missing its minute ring, if it's re-listed again, I'd recommend avoiding this seller like the plague !


June 7, 2014 at 7:23 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Should I even bother to mention that would-be Japanese profiteering re-seller Kool_Menthol_99's 7A38-6010 is back again ? :/

Re-Listed earlier today on Yahoo Japan auctions:


http://page2.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/b162109135

★SEIKO7A38-6010海外仕様クロノグラフ★検:7A28ジウジアーロ



Best I can tell, all the photos have been used before in previous re-listings - apart from the current primary image:



Funnily enough on that 'giveaway' red cushion. :lol: (Scroll back up the page to December last year ....)


His wishful prices have dropped somewhat since, (was originally asking 43,000 Yen) but still need to come down more (to reality). :roll:


July 16, 2014 at 8:35 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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At the risk of repeating myself ....


Should I even bother to mention that would-be Japanese profiteering re-seller Kool_Menthol_99's 7A38-6010 is back again ? :/

Re-Listed earlier today on Yahoo Japan auctions:


http://page16.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/u72574433

★SEIKO7A38-6010海外仕様クロノグラフ★検:7A28ジウジアーロ



 

This time he's re-using the same three photos from his February 2014 listing (and my scans of the 1985 Seiko Sport Tech advert).

Same wishful 24,800 Yen opening bid price as last time. :roll:


December 15, 2014 at 8:09 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Needless to say there were no takers. :roll:

Re-listed once again at the weekend (same item number) - with a slightly different slant ....

Apart from the addition of a ridulous Buy-it-Now price of 39,800 Yen, it's now a low-start presumably no reserve auction.


http://page16.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/u72574433




Bidding is currently at 6000 Yen. Somehow I can't see this ending well for the would-be profiteering re-seller. :lol:


December 23, 2014 at 4:35 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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That Yahoo Japan auction ended about 20 minutes ago:

http://page16.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/u72574433



After umpteen re-listings and over 12 months since the would-be profiteering re-seller purchased it on eBay for $127 + $24 shipping, 

it finally sold for 17000 Yen - equivalent to $141.33 USD / £91 GBP (at today's exchange rates). Oh, the irony. :lol:


December 23, 2014 at 8:39 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Apart from the various re-listings by that Japanese re-seller (on Yahoo Japan), it's been a while since a 7A38-6010 appeared on eBay.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111605445200




The US eBay seller's description reads simply: All original very good condition has been stored for years.

Diabolical quality photos, but apart from the usual rubbing wear to the black chrome plating of the bracelet, the watch appears to be in reasonable original unmolested condition. It would be nice to see this one end up in a collector's hands, for a change (rather than won by another would-be profiteering re-seller) - and I'm thinking of a certain forum member in particular. ;)


February 23, 2015 at 7:21 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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PHK at February 23, 2015 at 1:46 PM

;) I saw this one yesterday when it was posted. Already emailed the seller for more info! 


Presumably in response to Paul's input, the eBay seller has since made a few revisions to the listing:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemRevisionDetails&item=111605445200


On Feb-23-15 at 14:33:08 PST, seller added the following information:

This watch will be inspected by a watchmaker and will come with a new cell installed. I will take the add down if this watch is not in working condition.

 

On Feb-24-15 at 06:06:21 PST, seller added the following information:

Added more pics

 

On Feb-24-15 at 10:16:10 PST, seller added the following information:

I visited my watchmaker today,he performed a functional check and installed a new battery.the watch is in good working order. However we are selling as is in good faith.


Indeed, he added another 10 photos, most of which were something of an improvement on his first two lacklustre images:


February 25, 2015 at 7:20 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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PHK at March 4, 2015 at 8:14 PM

Got it!....I'm now eagerly awaiting all accolades.... :)


That US eBay auction for the 7A38-6010 ended in the early hours of this morning (UK time). For most of the week, bidding had stalled @ $100. Some of us who'd been watching it, including myself, were expecting it to possibly end in a snipe-fest - which as it transpired, never materialized. It sold for a very reasonable $138.03 (approx. £90) after 15 bids. Won, as you can see from Paul's triumphant post (which, once again, I've condensed into a quote, to keep the result on the same page), by an elated member of this forum. :D


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111605445200

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