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The Cartier Ferrari Formula quartz chronographs were, in their day, without question the most expensive of the re-branded 7A38's. The recommended retail prices were in the order of 4 times that of their humble Seiko 7A38 cousins. Yet the 15 jewel quartz movement inside is exactly the same - apart from the anti-magnetic back-plate, which is printed (not even stamped, just printed) with Ferrari logo, the iconic Prancing Horse and CAL. 531. The positive battery terminal plate (as with most rebranded 7A38A movements) is left blank.


Here's a rather misleading period French magazine advert, which I saw on eBay recently:



Here's what you'll actually find inside, when you unscrew the 14-sided case-back (which naturally requires a special Cartier tool):




Yes, they are just as susceptible to acid attack from old run-down batteries, and rust just the same as their Seiko 7A38 siblings.

The case-backs are often (but not always) stamped 'Swiss', which is presumably where the cases and bracelets were sourced.

But looking at the watch externally (apart from the familiar 7A38 dial layout), there are few clues as to what actually lies inside.

If you look very closely at early production units (from the first year), you'll find JAPAN QUARTZ printed on the 9 o'clock subdial.

Here's one such example which appeared on eBay in Germany, in April last year, with a close-up photo of the sub-dial printing:


 


Popular myth has it that it was removed from the dial at the behest of the 'Old Man', though it was probably more likely driven by marketing and / or regulations. From then onwards, instead just QUARTZ (without Japan) appeared stamped on the case-backs.


The watch above is one of the first (of many) design permutations released, and was sold under the TestaRossa model name.

It was obviously one of Cartier / Ferrari's biggest sellers, and is certainly, by far the most commonly found used variant on eBay. 

March 15, 2012 at 12:59 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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The vast majority of these watches were likely purchased new by Ferrari owners and wealthier enthusiasts in the late 80's and early 90's. So it naturally follows that the various models with red dial faces were the most popular choices. Ignoring, for the moment, the rather O.T.T. tri-colour dial (the only one which actually carries the words 'Ferrari Formula Chronographe' on the three sub-dials):




.... and shown here (both sold at the same time, in June last year), with a more conventional TestaRossa red-faced model:




.... there were actually only two basic all-red dial variants to choose from. Athough there are subtle differences in the Ferrari logos used on one, and multiple permutations of case and bracelet finish / fixing and leather straps besides. Here's a couple of nice examples of the two all-red dials, which were offered on TZ-UK's Sales Corner in January 2010, with an asking price of £750 each:






The watch in the lower two photos being the same model as in that French advert. As far as I know, both watches went unsold. :(

March 15, 2012 at 1:50 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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So it naturally follows that the various models with red dial faces were the most popular choices.

By the same logic, any used (or NOS) red-dialed Cartier Ferrari Formula chrono's offered on eBay will often command higher prices.


The problem with buying potentially expensive (or cheap) watches, as is unfortunately the case with many other luxury commodities on eBay, is that there are all the usual pitfalls to watch out for. Shill bidding appears to be rife; some auctions are private listings; quite a few auctions are ended early (and sometimes re-listed with optimistic Buy-it-Now prices), and you'll even come across that daunting 'probably just needs new battery' gotcher clause on the occasional listing for a Cartier Ferrari Formula chronograph. Run away. 


Even with obvious or stated faults, the red-dialed variants of these Ferrari Formula chrono's still fetch good prices on eBay.

I had a look back through my records of past sales of the early 'TestaRossa' variant, and the lowest I could find was this one:



It sold for only 290 Euros in August 2011. Apart from having no box and papers, it was also missing a hex-nut pusher button, an

all-too-common problem with these watches, and one to be wary of, because replacements are no longer available from Cartier.


Indeed, looking back through my eBay watching page, the most recent ended auction (by bidding, as opposed to a Buy-it-Now), for any red-dialed version, was this one from last month, which sold for 445 Euros (approx. £369.56) after 28 bids, on 29th February.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/330691463000

Ferrari Armbanduhr by Cartier ( defekt - als Ersatzteillager )


 

Original Ferrari Chronograph ( limitierte Auflage ) by Cartier mit rotem Zifferblatt 

Die Uhr ist defekt ( grosser Zeiger der Stoppuhr hängt fest ). Da es für diese Uhr seit einiger Zeit schon keine

Ersatztele mehr gibt, ist eine Reparatur im Handel nicht mehr möglich. Die Uhr kann jedoch von Bastlern als 

Ersatzteillager genutzt werden ( z.B. Armband, Zifferblatt etc. )

Es handelt sich um keinen Nachbau bzw. um keine Replika. Der Uhr ist die Original-Beschreibung sowie der Original-Garantieschein incl. Juwelier-Stempel beigefügt.


Note the inclusion in the sale of the original sales receipt from May 1991 for 1400DM. :)


The problem with it ? Google translates as: 'large pointer of the stop watch hangs firmly' meaning a recalcitrant sweep second hand.

A fairly common fault with 7Axx's and sometimes easily remedied, particularly when caused by just a displaced finger tension spring.

Worst case, if the original movement in a Cartier Ferrari Formula was completely destroyed, say by water ingress or battery acid, it would still make economic sense to sacrifice a cheaper Seiko 7A38 donor, to provide a replacement movement. I've seen it done:



That small photo came from an eBay listing in November 2009. The German seller was asking 1050 Euros as a Buy-it-Now.

If you look carefully, you can see SEIKO stamped on the back-plate, where Ferrari would usually be printed on a Cal. 531.


Funnily enough another of the same model with a flat battery, is currently listed with an opening bid price of 750 Euros ! :lol:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/220969877282

FERRARI Chronograph by Cartier




Das Glas ist durch Kratzer leicht beschädigt. Die Batterie ist leer.


If proof were needed of the comparative lack of popularity of the red tri-colour dialed version, here's a recently ended auction:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150747340405

Cartier-Ferrari-Chronograph


 


This was listed on eBay Gemany at the end of January, with an opening bid price of only 1.00 Euro. It was in average used condition; fitted with a non-original red leather strap, but still had the gold-plated Prancing Horse logo'd buckle. I don't like paying 'big bucks' for these watches, particularly knowing what's inside them (albeit signed Ferrari Cal. 531). I saw the chance of a bargain buy, and made much of the early running in the bidding. But, when I messaged him, the seller steadfastly refused to ship out of Germany, even if I won the auction, and so I stopped bidding. It sold for only 262.00 Euros (approx. £217.59) after 15 bids, which really irked me at the time.

A month later the seller listed a light grey-faced version, which with Simon's German colleague's help we managed to ship 'Ausland'. :P


Even Cartier Ferrari Formula brochures, which include these watches, appear to sell for 'silly money' sometimes .... Or do they ? 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/330695258447

Original Ferrari Formula by Cartier Uhrenprospekte 80er/90er Jahre selten



I'm afraid my 'filing system' appears to have failed me for once. Or should I say the limitations of my eBay watching page have. 

I appear to have deleted the original identical listing, from a week earlier in February, where this pair of brochures were bid to over 35.00 Euros ! Both auctions were 'private listings', where even the abbreviated eBay ID's are hidden. I suspected shill bidding, so wasn't surprised, when a day after the original auction ended, they were re-listed. Next time around they only made 8.50 Euros. 


March 15, 2012 at 1:50 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Before I ramble on any further, I think it would be remiss of me for not thanking recent joinee, Michael Rothe, for pointing me in the direction of the Cartier Ferrari Formula '7A38's. Or perhaps I should curse him. Believe it or not, having been a Ferrari enthusiast since the mid-60's and a card watch-carrying 7A38 enthusiast since the late 80's, I hadn't actually made the connection myself. :roll:


But all it took was Michael's one line post in this thread on the old Network54 SCWF, in November 2009, to set me off:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/78440/thread/1257120176/ 

There is also a Ferrari 7A38, but I don't have pics and can't remember where I saw it. :(


There was no stopping me, once I started looking. This is a subseqent lengthy post I made on the Network54 SCWF:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/78440/thread/1259088788/

'Cartier Ferrari' Seiko 7A38 exposed at last !! I was so enthusiastic in those days. :D


I also contributed to this thread about the watches on FerrariChat: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63318&page=3

Incidentally, 'Piloti', who posts on the next page of that thread, is Ferrari buff and author(ity) Nathan Beehl. in the 1980's Nathan ran a boutique, Nathan's Studio, selling Ferrari automobila, books and models, etc. He also held a Cartier franchise, and stocked some of (but by no means all) the extensive range of Ferrari Formula accessories. This is an old photo he sent me of part of his shop display:




Even having been a dealer, and still owning three Cartier Ferrari Formula Chronographs himself (he's also a bit of a watch collector), Nathan had no idea what 'humble' quartz movement lurked incognito, within them. In March 2009, after hearing of my enthusiasm for them, and with the help of another Stateside Ferrari enthusiast, Nathan finally bought a lowly Seiko 7A38 - an almost mint 7A38-728A two-tone, for a fraction of the price of the Cartier Ferrari Formula chronographs he used to sell. I later put him us both straight. ;)


March 15, 2012 at 3:09 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Being something of a Ferrari buff myself, my own enthusiasm for the Cartier Ferrari Formula chrono's has been smouldering away in the background ever since I (re)discovered them in November 2009. Though, with so many other more affordable makes of 7A38, besides Seiko's own brand, to collect, I've deliberately allowed my desire for them to wane. However, I've probably watched most listings which came up in my various eBay searches, and in almost all cases, religiously recorded their asking / final selling prices.


My interest in them was rekindled earlier this year, when a German collector offered his collection of 14 on eBay.

I've already written about this in detail in the January 2012 Auction News #1: http://www.seiko7a38.com/news.htm




You'll observe that a high proportion of those watches (compared to the entire Ferrari Formula model range) have red dials too. ;)


If you've clicked on (m)any of the eBay links which I've included in the thread so far, you'll have noticed another common denominator.

Nearly all these watches, are coming out of Germany. The country is absolutely inundated in the things. In fact, I think I can say without fear of contradiction, that there are currently more Cartier Ferrari Formula's listed on eBay Germany than there are Seiko 7A38's ! 


So I thought it might be interesting to watch a few of the current eBay listings for red-faced versions, to see what prices they achieve.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/220974711143

Ferrari Cartier Herren Uhr neu und ungetragen ! Rarität !



 

Verkaufe eine neue und ungetragen Ferrari Herren Cartier Uhr aus meiner Sammlung 

Die Batterie wurde erst letzte Woche beim Juwelier Wempe in Stuttgart gewechselt 

1. Besitzer, direkt beim Juwelier neu gekauft. Incl. Papiere OVP. Rarität !


That one, which is listed as 'New with Tags' is currently already at 1015 Euros (approx. £843) with still nearly 2 days to run. 

Mostly due to the efforts of a low feedback bidder s***a (3) who has placed 13 of the 27 bids. A shill perhaps ? Who knows. 

Watch this space: http://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&_trksid=p4340.l2565&rt=nc&item=220974711143

Update Edit: 12 hours later, bidding had reached 2110 Euros (approx. £1760) after 36 bids .... with another day still to go. 

The high bidder ? Not a surprise really - another Zero-feedbacker  -***r ( 0 ). 


The next 3 are all being offered by the same seller 'abgrabscher0'. 



All three have the same auction title:

Ferrari Chronograph, By Cartier in OVP. Superzustand, Neuwertig


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190653015211



http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190653015872



http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190653016077




Similarly, all three have exactly  the same listing description:


Ferrari Formula Chronograph Original by Cartier 

Neuwertiger Original Ferrari Formula Chronograph BY CARTIER

Der Chronograph wurde nur zu seltenen Gelegenheiten Getragen

Der Service wurde durchgeführt und die Batterie wurde erneuert


So, purely for consistencies sake, you understand .... I bumped the bidding on each one to 300 Euros, to give them a level start. 


As a slightly belated post edit, a day later I found yet another slightly rarer variation on the red-faced theme listed on eBay Germany:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170805781301

FERRARI FORMULA by Cartier Uhr Chronograph Tachymeter Armbanduhr




Note the unusual black chrome bezel finish and matching Tachymeter dial ring. The opening bid price on that one is 1490 Euros.


It'll be interesting to see how they all end up - shill bidding or otherwise. I'll update the thread with the final results in due course. ;)

March 15, 2012 at 5:39 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Lastly, although not an auction, a special award has to be given to German eBay seller 'linckersdorff_gmbh'. 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/350540142292

FERRARI CHRONOGRAPH HERRENARMBANDUHR AUS DEN 80ER JAHREN STAHL PVD BESCHICHTET


Not only for the longest auction title, and probably the biggest photo of a Cartier Ferrari Formula chronograph ever used ....




But also for unabashed bare red-faced cheek - this dealer's Buy-it-Now asking price ? A mere 1500 Euros (approx. £1,250) !! 


PS - Don't ever let anybody try to convince you that these things are 'Rare'. 

March 16, 2012 at 1:58 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I'll update the thread with the final results in due course.


Well, the first couple of auction results are in ....

and it's not looking good for anyone who might be contemplating the purchase of a red dialed Cartier Ferrari Formula chrono'. 

In fact, it's all gone Pete Tong again. 


The stainless one with the badly scratched crystal, and flat battery, and what I thought was an over-optimistic price of 750 Euros:

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/220969877282

FERRARI Chronograph by Cartier

Das Glas ist durch Kratzer leicht beschädigt. Die Batterie ist leer.


.... appears to have sold, for that opening bid price of 750 Euros, to that presumed shill low-feedback bidder s***a (3). :roll:


The NOS example, which was previously receiving a lot of unwanted attention from the above-mentioned s***a (3):


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/220974711143

Ferrari Cartier Herren Uhr neu und ungetragen ! Rarität !


.... Well, I won't say 'sold', yet, but it finally ended after 42 bids at 2676.00 Euros (approx. £2224.54) - won by  -***r (0). :roll:

A completely and utterly ridiculous price - even for a NOS with Tags 7A38-powered red-dialed Cartier Ferrari Formula,

because for that kind on money you could buy a very nice example of the far more expensive Valjoux 7750 powered version.

Like this one, also currently listed on eBay Germany: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150778854780


The next 3 are all being offered by the same seller 'abgrabscher0'


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190653015211 was ended early on Wednesday 21st (all existing bids were cancelled). 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190653015872 ended on Saturday morning 24th, making 770 Euros (approx. £643.75) after 22 bids.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190653016077 also went the distance, ending soon after at 771 Euros (approx. £644.59) after 18 bids.


Still 2 out of 3 ain't bad, given the propensity of these things for being ended prematutely. :roll:


Another eBay auction for a stainless red-faced version, similar to # 109653016077, which I'd forgotten to mention earlier ....

simply because it's been hanging around, unsold, for so long (in one form or another) also finally sold on Saturday 24th March.

This was originally listed by the same Austrian seller, on both eBay and Bazaar.at, believe it or not, as far back as September 2010,

starting at 1150 Euros, and using a variety of what can only be described as diabolically awful photos:




http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/120876758098

Ferrari HAU Chronopraph rot, Produziert by Cartier !!



It finally sold for the current opening bid price of 990 Euros (approx. £827.67).

March 17, 2012 at 7:03 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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I think I can say .... that there are currently more Cartier Ferrari Formula's listed on eBay Germany than there are Seiko 7A38's ! 


Well now there definitely are ! 


Remember that German eBay seller 'Ferrari-Bburagonr1' who listed a collection of 14 Cartier Ferrari Formula chronographs, as a job lot, back in January ? They were bid to over 7000 Euros, then the auction was ended early. Seems I'd wrongly assumed that he'd sold them in an off-eBay deal. Unless he had another stash, they can't have sold, because some of them re-appeared on eBay, yesterday:



So far, he's listed nine (almost) individually, in a somewhat haphazard and slapdash manner, but not quite as badly as the last time.

See: http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/ferrari-bburagonr1/m.html?_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1




Talk about flooding the market ! :roll: 

 

March 20, 2012 at 11:52 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I really don't know why I even bothered mentioning it. I should have known the outcome. :roll:


Bidding on those nine Cartier Ferrari Formula chron's (re)listed separately earlier this week, by 'Ferrari-Bburagonr1'  was under way.

Last time I looked at them, yesterday, the prices had been bid up from the opening 1.00 Euro to between 56 and 253 Euros.

I'd bid on 8 out of the 9, and had my hopes set on eventually snaring one of them (not the one I hadn't already bid on). 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150781615303

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150781616852

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150781618161

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150781620001

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150781621293

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150781622493

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150781624610

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150781629337

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150781631987


Then about 4:00pm this afternoon, the eBay bid cancellation notifications started flooding into my email inbox:




One can only assume that the seller 'Ferrari-Bburagonr1' had got cold feet again (as he apparently did before, back in January) ....

and that he is a complete and utter tw*t of the first order ! 

March 24, 2012 at 4:06 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Even Cartier Ferrari Formula brochures, which include these watches, appear to sell for 'silly money' sometimes .... Or do they ?

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/330695258447

Original Ferrari Formula by Cartier Uhrenprospekte 80er/90er Jahre selten




Well, I'm pleased to say that I've managed to pick up a pair of the same Ferrari Formula brochures for a suitably sensible lower price

and from the same German eBay seller. :)  I already had a set of scans of them on file (in .pdf format), but they weren't the best ....

So I've re-scanned the relevent pages from the two brochures, and their accompanying price lists (in DeutscheMarks):


This is September 1989:



I'm presuming, as the models illustrated below have the later style single-fixing bracelets / straps (on slightly wider 20mm vs 18mm lug ends), and the prices have increased, that this one dates from around 1991 - although both the brochure and price list are undated:


 


Note the R.R.P. of the red-dialed model # F6434801, at 1900 DM, is pitched higher than one of the Valjoux-7750 powered versions !


March 29, 2012 at 1:45 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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It seems even Cartier Ferrari Formula '7A48 parts watches' can go for what some might deem 'silly money' sometimes, too. :roll:

Thanks to Chris for giving me the heads up on this one - 2 hours before the auction ended; it was then still at only 40 Euros:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/260993779690

FERRARI-JAPAN-MADE-MOVEMENT-HERREN-QUARZ-UHR




It was being sold on the basis that: The item in this auction may be defective but may also work.


Here's what the complete watch would have looked like:



Clearly it was missing the complete bracelet (looks like it had been badly wrenched off, with some minor damage to one corner of the watch case) - and typically, also missing one pusher button cap. It might have made for an interesting rebuild project; a 7A38 / 7A48 cased Franken, or even as a case parts donor. Incredibly, even in this condition it made 202 Euros (approx. £166.69) after 18 bids. 

Unfortunately I didn't bid anywhere near high enough, and was well down the order in the last 5 second snipe fest. :(


Something I did learn (or at least finally had my suspicions confirmed), is that the Ferrari version of Seiko's 7A48(A) is Cal. 532:)

April 7, 2012 at 2:25 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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What was it I wrote earlier ?


the rather O.T.T. tri-colour dial (the only one which actually carries the words 'Ferrari Formula Chronographe' on the three sub-dials)

and

If proof were needed of the comparative lack of popularity of the red tri-colour dialed version, here's a recently ended auction ....


I suppose I could equally have posted his one in the 'Crazy  Asking Prices' thread, but seeing as it's a red-dialed Cartier Ferrari:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270954951301

FERRARI- Uhr * original von Cartier bis 1989 gefertigt * NEU *NEU*



This was listed on eBay Germany yesterday, allegedly as 'Item condition: New with tags'. It does appear to be fitted the original red shark strap , albeit looking a tad dry and shriveled, but I suspect even the most ardent collectors will baulk at the opening bid price of

1250 Euros (approx. £1031). 

April 12, 2012 at 1:38 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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A nice condition, but fairly pricey red-dialed Cartier Ferrari Formula just sold - for its opening bid price of 800 Euros (approx. £658.89):


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160780173506

Ferrari Chronograph, Neuwertig, By Cartier, aus Erstbesitz. In OVP



But to a buyer with a feedback of only (1) - which always sounds a bit suspicious to me. 

April 15, 2012 at 12:45 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Famous last words. :roll:


Indeed, looking back through my eBay watching page, the most recent ended auction (by bidding, as opposed to a Buy-it-Now), for any red-dialed version, was this one from last month, which sold for 445 Euros (approx. £369.56) after 28 bids, on 29th February.


As I wrote previously, I might have a bid or two on the odd one, but I still watch a good many auctions for Cartier Ferrari Formulas.


Here's a listing on eBay Germany for the common-or-garden red-dialed 'TestaRossa' model, which ended on April 1st:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/390402578716

Ferrari Formula Chronograph Original by Cartier Herrenuhr Top Zustand.Selten Rar




Unusually, for one of these, which I'd expect to make around 500 Euros, it sold for only 356 Euros (approx. £290.71) after 24 bids. 

Well it should have sold, but unluckily for the potential buyer, because that price obviously didn't meet the seller's expectations. :(

The German eBay seller 'lucky-watch' re-listed it yesterday: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/390412604964

This time, with an opening bid price of 500 Euros - which he subsequently increased to 650 Euros:roll:

April 28, 2012 at 7:16 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Here's an auction on eBay Germany for another of the later bracelet style red-faced versions, which ended a few minutes ago:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/110865556402

Original Ferrari Chronograph,Cartier,Formula,Uhr




Diese Uhr habe ich am 28.5.1991 neu gekauft.Hersteller ist Cartier.

Sie befindet sich in gutem,gebrauchtem Zustand.

Auf dem Glas ist ein winziger Kratzer,der aber nur mit der Lupe zu erkennen ist.

Sie kann gern besichtigt werden.

Garantieheft ist dabei.

Seriennummer 334866


The seller confidently set an opening bid price of 700 Euros - it sold for 770 Euros (approx £628.77) after 4 bids.

Which is about what I'd expect - unlike the ridiculous 2676 Euros allegedly achieved by that similar, but NOS example last month. 

April 28, 2012 at 2:11 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Speaking of NOS Cartier Ferrari Formula chronographs, they do still turn up on eBay occasionally - and usually in Germany.

To give you some idea of the disparity in selling prices, between the red-dialed versions, and other less ostentatious variants ....

Here's another eBay auction for a very nice-looking stainless white-dialed version, NOS with tags, which ended earlier this week:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150798787883

Orig. Ferrari Formula by Cartier Chronograph F642.4.402



... löse meine Uhren-Sammlung auf ...

Original Ferrari Formula Herren-Uhr 

ungetragen - NEU 

braunes Lederarmband


Ferrari Formula (aus dem Hause Cartier) - DIE - Kult-UHR der 80er/90er ... 

Ref.-Nr. F 642.4.402 

Gehäuse: Edelstahl

Tag- und Datumsanzeige bei "3"

Maße: Durchmesser ca. 3,9 cm zzgl. Krone und Drücker

weißes Ziffernblatt mit Ferrari-Schriftzug und Ferrari-Emblem. Verschraubter Edelstahl-Gehäuseboden mit der Aufschrift: Stainless Steel, Waterresistant, Quartz, 337050, sowie eingraviertem Ferrari-Pferd. Cognacbraunes Lederband mit Edelstahl-Faltschließe ....


Despite the listing receiving 255 views, compared to 249 of the previously mentioned red-dialed version ....

By comparison, even though NOS with tags, this made 'only' 506 Euros (approx. £413.20) after 23 bids. Red or Dead, it seems. :(

April 28, 2012 at 2:26 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Another German eBay seller, going by the user ID of 'Mister-Ming' appears to be off-loading Cartier Ferrari Formulas at the moment. Many seem to be in mint / NOS condition, and among them are a high proportion with red dials. Here's one he listed at the end of April:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160792325572

Ferrari Chronograph, Neuwertig, By Cartier, aus Erstbesitz. In OVP


 

Toller Ferrari Chronograph aus 1990

im absolutem Superzustand. (siehe Foto)

Selten getragen, fast keine Gebrauchspuren.

Stahl / Gold Armband.

Dieses Modell wurde bei Cartier verkauft.

Ein Echtheitsnachweis und die Originalbox sind vorhanden und werden mitgeliefert.


The auction was initially set up as a 10-day listing, with the opening bid price set at a sensible 500 Euros, but ....

the price rapidly climbed to 855 Euros within the first 24 hours, and it seems he was satisfied with that, and ended the auction early.

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His two other eBay auctions for 'red-dialed' Cartier Ferrari Formula chrono's didn't fare so well. Both, as per the previously mentioned, were set up as 10 day listings, but both with an over-optimistic opening bid price of 850 Euros. Neither of them attracted a buyer. 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160792315992

UNGETRAGENER FERRARI CHRONOGRAPH, BY CARTIER. ORIGINALVERPACKUNG




http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160792316866

UNGETRAGENER FERRARI CHRONOGRAPH, BY CARTIER. ORIGINALVERPACKUNG




While also claimed to be in 'New with tags' condition, both - particularly the 7A48, were also rather less desirable versions on leather.

May 10, 2012 at 4:54 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Earlier this week, 'Mister-Ming' had re-listed 5 of his Cartier Ferrari Formula chrono's including 2 red-dialed versions and the red / grey 7A48 (Cal. 532), all with starting prices of 1.00 Euro. I'd had a couple of bids on all five of them. I really don't know why I bothered :roll: -

because about 10 minutes ago, the eBay Bid Cancellation notifications started appearing in my inbox:




Sound vaguely familiar ? :mad:

May 12, 2012 at 12:25 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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I'm not sure if this is the same eBay seller using a different user-name, but the scenario seems rather too familiar ....

 

My interest in them was rekindled earlier this year, when a German collector offered his collection of 14 on eBay.

I've already written about this in detail in the January 2012 Auction News #1: http://www.seiko7a38.com/news.htm


Listed on eBay Germany today, by a seller with user ID srilanka20082012, who has previously listed many of these watches singly:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/140841095980

FERRARI CARTIER CHRONOGRAPH FERRARI FORMULA UHR SAMMLUNG 22 UHREN NEUWERTIG



 

22 uhren alle funktionieren 20 glieder bei jeder uhr 90%neuwertig anderen leichte tragespuren ersatzteile vorhanden glieder drücker armbänder kein einzelverkauf besichtigung möglich


Yup - a total off 22 Cartier Ferrari chrono's listed together as one lot, with a potential value of 15,000 Euros (if they were sold singly).

Opening bid price of 1.00 Euro, with no reserve set. I think I can fairly confidently speculate at the outcome of this eBay auction. :roll:

September 1, 2012 at 7:15 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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