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As you can probably gather from the topic title, I wasn't entirely sure, myself, which forum sub-section to start this thread in. 

Any members can feel free to add to this thread, but ....

PLEASE DO NOT FLAG CURRENT AUCTION LISTINGS - unless, like one example I'm about to include, they're grossly over-priced.

As some of you may already know, this is a particular area of interest of mine, so I'd rather not have it broadcast to the world. 

By all means, if you think you've found a Yema N8, I might be interested in (and may have missed) - please send me a PM instead. ;)

March 16, 2012 at 7:34 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Here's an auction listing on eBay France, for a Yema N7 (Seiko 7A28, Shimauchi V905 movement) which ended earlier this evening:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230758644798

Chronometre Yema




Belle montre chronograph de marque yema,entierement revisée pile verre et bracelet neuf,tout acier en parfait etat de marche.


I'm not sure of the full exact Yema N7xxxx model number, but it's obviously the same as the one currently listed on Yahoo Japan:


http://page12.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/p261600930

YEMA/イエマ メンズ クロノグラフ ウォッチ 腕時計 動作品



.... the one with the ridiculous ¥49,800 Yen opening bid price - except that the eBay France N7 is fitted with a Jubilee-style bracelet.


Goes without saying, that as soon as I saw it, I sent a link to 7A28 collector Mark Mills. He acknowledged receipt a day or so later.

Mark said he might go for it, but also gave me the impression he felt it was too similar to the gold-plated Yema N7 he already had. 

See this thread on SCWF: http://www.thewatchsite.com/index.php/topic,20575.msg113951.html




And the opening bid price on that Yema N7 on eBay France, which went unsold ? 69 Euros. Well what else would you expect ? 

March 16, 2012 at 7:55 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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That Yema N7 on eBay France was re-listed soon after, with an opening bid price of 49 Euros. The auction ended this morning:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230763152345 - selling for a mere 50 Euros after 2 bids. This second listing received only 54 views. :(

Someone got themselves a nice example of a very different '7A28' for a good price. :)

March 21, 2012 at 8:53 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Did anybody else spot this one, listed on eBay this week ? 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280857122665

Yema paris n81w63 mens watch



 

YEMA PARIS FRANCE

MODEL- n81w63

YERY NICE SHAPE SEE PHOTOS

I AM THE ORINGAL OWNER

IT WILL NEED A NEW BATTERY


Sold last night for the opening bid price of $125.

IIRC, it was originally listed with an opening bid price of $150, with a Buy-it-Now option of $200.


The seller had also advertised it on Cincinnati Craigslist (and a few other free sites, besides), asking $200:


http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/jwl/2927702595.html

YEMA PARIS WATCH NOT ROLEX - $200 (WILLAMSBURG)



The Craigslist advert used the same two photos as the eBay listing, slightly larger, plus two extra, which weren't frankly much better.

If you didn't realize that you were actually looking at a 7A38, albeit a heavily disguised one, or knew the Yema model number, they wouldn't have been much help. Not a bad price at $125, assuming those out of focus photos weren't hiding a multude of blemishes. 

April 7, 2012 at 4:25 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I won't post the photo of my own example (I've only ever taken the one; as I received it, before I replaced the crown and strap). :P

But take my word for it, this gold-plated case, gold dial version of Yema N81W63 is, sans doute, The Absolute BlingMeister 7Axx. 8)

It's pretty much a blatant rip-off of the classic Breguet Classique chrono' s design, complete with fluted watch case; guilloché dial face (including the layout of the printing) pomme hands, cabouchon crown, etc.. About the only feature which the Yema is missing are the drilled screw-on strap lugs. If you're not familiar with the subject, then google 'Breguet Classique', and you'll see exactly what I mean, though many of the images returned in the search result will likely be fakes.


I've only ever seen this particular all-gold variant of Yema N81W63 turn up in the States, which presumably was the target market for this blingy baubel. There was a slightly more subtle (and tasteful) navy blue, silver and gold dialed version - très Louis Quinze, which one assumes was intended for the more discerning French home market. Here's a link where I first encountered the all-gold version:

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/6314518

A Stainless Steel and Gold Plated Wristwatch, YEMA Paris, with gold plated dial, black Roman numerals, sweep second hand, three subsidiary dials, day and date box, tachometer, quartz movement, water resistant, serial #6026 YEMA N81W63 Paris, with black leather band. In original box.



April 7, 2012 at 4:56 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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See: http://www.seiko7a38.com/apps/forums/topics/show/7237266-the-lower-end-bottom-of-the-7axx-barrel-bargains-worse-?page=3


A Yema N81X26 'restoration project', which I thought probably better belonged in the 'Bottom of the 7Axx barrel' thread, besides here.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230776629769

Yema Paris Quartz Men's Watch for restoration




The movement back-plate had localized rust around the screw-heads, indicating probable water damage deeper inside the movement.

It was also fitted with the wrong case-back, off a Seiko gold-tone 7A28-7029.   .... sold for a $63.51 (approx. £39.41) after 8 bids.

April 15, 2012 at 6:28 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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I'm not sure of the full exact Yema N7xxxx model number, but it's obviously the same as the one currently listed on Yahoo Japan.


Neither at the time, was I sure whether the Jubilee-style bracelet fitted was original to the watch, or a later personalized fitment.

Well now I know that it was original, and that the Yema model number is N71X31, because also listed on Yahoo Japan is this one:


http://page2.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/b134299525

セイコー 7A28系キャリバー塔載 YEMA クログラフ フランス製



 

The Japanese seller's lengthy description includes these few sentences (as translated by Google):

 

Although I think YEMA were in the Seiko group in the 1980s, and now and they separate again, perhaps at the time incorporating advanced technology of Seiko, has also sold chronograph like this. Caliber of this watch, as far as compared to in the picture, seems to be the same as the Seiko 7A28. In other words, the world's first quartz chronograph, quartz caliber luxury specification is 15 jewel. Seiko watch you think of any other brand, do not use the same part number, perhaps, and is wearing a different name to the same caliber 7A28.


He is, of course, correct. :)

April 15, 2012 at 8:11 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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An eBay auction just ended a couple of minutes ago, for my favourite Yema N8 - a 43mm Spationaute III. 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150806608174

YEMA SPATIONAUTE III




JOLIE MONTRE DE MARQUE YEMA SPATIONAUTE III, EN TRES BON ETAT DE MARCHE ET ESTHETIQUE ( PORTEE UNE SEULE FOIS, LA MONTRE POSSEDE TOUJOURS SON BRACELET D'ORIGINE( A CHANGER CAR CRAQUELE DU A SON AGE, VOIR PHOTOS) AINSI QUE SA PROTECTION DE FOND A SIGNALER UNE PETITE RAYURE AU DOS DU BOITIER .

LA MONTRE VOUS SERA LIVREE AVEC BOITE ET SURBOITE MAIS PAS DE DOCUMENTS


It was described as 'Used', but in 'very good condition'. I personally doubt whether the strap, or the box it came with were original. 

Despite that, it sold for a healthy 277.75 Euros (approx. £225.42) after 29 bids, ending in something of a last 10 second snipefest.

Incidentally, the seller listed the same watch back in January, but subsequently withdrew it: http://www.ebay.fr/itm/150742188448

Belated edit (added on 23rd October): Purely of interest to any fellow Yema N8 aficionados, the hand-written paper sticker on this watch's case-back read Y1115 - which, as I'd later learned, was the Yema catalogue sales code for the N80P76 Spationaute III.

May 6, 2012 at 1:18 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Followed closely by a Yema N8 Flygraf ....


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170832120607

Yema Flygraf authentic


 

vend yema flygraf quartz authentic jour date chronographe 44mm qui fonctionne tres bien 

bracelet en cuir. posez vos questions avant la fin des encheres svp. 

aucun retour nest acceptez.


Probably one best avoided, IMHO, given the obvious deterioration of the dial and hands lume, cloudy crystal, and floating debris. 

The seller was presumably aware of what might potentially lurk inside (water or battery acid), because he'd specified 'No Returns'.

Despite that, it still made an impressive (given the apparent condition) 258.00 Euros (approx. £209.41) after 11 bids !! Incroyable. 8)

May 6, 2012 at 3:12 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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A two-tone Yema Spationaute III 38mm, on a non-original stainless bracelet, which was listed on LeBonCoin yesterday afternoon:


http://www.leboncoin.fr/montres_bijoux/318524156.htm?ca=1_s

Yema spationaute iii




VENDS YEMA SPATIONAUTE III REF: N80A696 VOL LONGUE DUREE ARAGATZ

MERCI DE ME CONTACTER PAR TELEPHONE OU PAR EMAIL.

FAIRE OFFRE RAISONNABLE MODELE PLUTOT RARE DANS SA VERSION FOND BLANC.


Reason I have the large photo, is that the seller contacted me in the first instance (through Chronomania), asking if I was interested.

May 8, 2012 at 8:30 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Scrolling through a search  on LeBonCoin, I also noticed the N81W43 which I'd mentioned in another thread had been re-listed again:


http://www.leboncoin.fr/montres_bijoux/232713180.htm?ca=1_s

Montre Yema chrono




Montre Yema chrono - à pile (installée) - n°2150 -N 81 W 43 - water résistant 50m - bracelet cuir - parfait état .


Still at the same highly over-optimistic 280 Euros asking price. :roll:

May 9, 2012 at 3:36 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Two more 'full-size' 43mm Ø Yema Spationaute III's were offered by French sellers last weekend, a day or so apart - the first on eBay:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/320914156102

YEMA Spationaute 3



 

YEMA Spationaute III (modèle créé à l'occasion de la mission "ARAGATZ" de J-L Chrétien en 1988 )

 

Description détaillée : 

-Boîtier : parties apparentes en excellent état. Le fond comporte des rayures et les inscriptions sont très estompées.

 -Lunette en parfait état. Tourne sans problème. Inscriptions bleues sans défauts. 

-Verre d'origine comportant quelques rayures ne gênant pas la lecture. 

-Cadran: parfait état. Index non lumineux.

 -Mouvement: Tous les modes fonctionnent parfaitement. Couronne vissante et poussoirs d'origine en parfait état. Pile neuve. Excellente précision.

 -Aiguilles: parfait état mais ayant perdu leur propriétés luminescentes

 -Bracelet: neuf en requin dans le même style que l'original (excepté la double nervure) avec boucle déployante.


That one, on a non-original 'double jonc' strap fitted with deployant clasp, and a badly marked / worn (possibly re-polished) case-back, just sold for the opening bid price of 200 Euros (approx. £161.23)


The other, in possibly better condition, currently remains unsold. It's listed on LeBonCoin.fr. The seller has mis-spelled 'Spationaute' without the 'e', and, as he won't either accept payment by PayPal, nor ship outside France - it's academic, as far as I'm concerned. :roll:


See: http://www.leboncoin.fr/montres_bijoux/325961961.htm?ca=1_s

 

Yema spationaut iii

Mise en ligne par guy le 28 mai à 07:43.


 

Prix : 285 €

Ville : Aurillac

Code postal : 15000

Description :

PRODUIT ORIGINAL - PRODUIT ORIGINAL

YEMA spationaut III -

entièrement d'origine

sort de revision ( circuit electronique et verre neuf )

fonctionnement excellent

livrée avec boite YEMA d'époque

cette montre faisait partie du vol longue durée ARAGATZ

livrée sur bracelet requin bleu

ni règlement paypal - ni vente à l'etranger

C'EST UN PRODUIT ORIGINAL - PRODUIT ORIGINAL


Note this one has slightly different dial printing to the 2 previous eBay examples, with 'PARIS' between YEMA and the tricoleur 'Y' logo.



Edit: It  was also offered on Chronomania, with larger versions of 2 of the same photos. Later on 2nd June it was showing as 'on hold'.

See: http://http/cda.chronomania.net/forum_entry.php?id=68093&PHPSESSID=48898dc4a7537385e76c07f78b7b6da1


[Réservé] Yema Spationaut III - 285€

posté par seimo2, 25.05.2012, 20:48

(Modifié par seimo2 le 02.06.2012, 18:31)




June 2, 2012 at 6:01 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Contrary to appearances, I would like to reassure the readership that my Yema N8 Flygraf is NOT for sale on LeBonCoin. :o


http://www.leboncoin.fr/montres_bijoux/328376445.htm?ca=1_s

Montre chrono yema

Mise en ligne par philippe le 3 juin à 14:47.



 

 

Prix : 450 €

Ville : Quincy-Voisins

Code postal : 77860

Description :

chrono yema flygraph vintage

parfait état de marche.


The photo was 'borrowed' from my Flickr album: http://www.flickr.com/photos/seiko_7a38/5400888309/  by a cheeky French seller ! :mad:


June 3, 2012 at 1:48 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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I notice that it's back again, this morning: http://www.leboncoin.fr/montres_bijoux/331442450.htm?ca=1_s


Montre chrono yema

Mise en ligne par philippe le 11 juin à 09:26.




This time, using another 'borrowed' stock photograph, presumably lifted from here: http://sliderulewatches.yvod.com/historyfrench.html

although that image originally came from the 'historique' section of the Yema website, and again is actually of my (first) Yema Flygraf. 

See this other thread: http://www.seiko7a38.com/apps/forums/topics/show/7226478-i-really-didn-t-need-another-yema-n8-flygraf-


The seller has reduced his asking price from 450 to 390 Euros. Try knocking another 200 off, Philippe, and you'll be getting closer. :roll:

June 11, 2012 at 7:51 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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There seems to be something of an overabundance of 43mm Yema Spationaute III's on eBay and elsewhere lately. :)

This eBay auction for a non-runner, without strap but supplied with the original Yema fixing pins and tubes just ended:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170855840635

Authentique Ancienne MONTRE YEMA CHRONO Spationaute 3 III - RARE


 

Bonjour,vends une montre YEMA SPATIONAUTE 3 III

calibre 7A38A 15 rubis 4 moteurs,

étanche à 100 métres,TACHYMETRE,

vol longue durée ,ARAGATZ,cccp.france

numéroté : 2 8 5 9

LA MONTRE EST VENDUE SANS BRACELET,

mais livrée avec ses 2 anses d'origine.

C'est une montre d'occasion datant de 1988,

elle ne tourne plus, prevoir le changement de la pile, le verre comporte des traces d'usure ,

elle reste toutefois en bel états d'origine dans l'ensemble,modéle de plus en plus rare a trouver,voir les montres yema spationaute made in france sur google ,

La montre seras vendue et envoyé quel que soit son prix final par colissimo recommandé à votre charge,

pas de prix de reserve,

faite vous plaisir,

MONTRE OCCASION

à révisée,

son poids faits 7O,30 grammes.

très rare à trouver.

pour conaisseur et collectioneur de belle montre,

questions bienvenues,

envoie par colissimo recommandée,

envoie rapide dés reception de votre réglement par paypal ou chéque de banque,

remise en main propre sur strasbourg possible.


It sold for 113.00 Euros (approx £90.54) after 20 bids. 

June 13, 2012 at 3:10 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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I know what I wrote about not linking current auction listings, but I now realize that the outcome this one is likely to be academic. :(

Listed yesterday evening on Yahoo Japan was a used, but tidy-looking 43mm Yema Spationaute III on its original navy shark strap.

The opening bid price was only 1 Yen !!!!  Of course I really didn't need another one - I do have 3 of them already  but ....

My immediate thoughts were - Wowee - potential bargain (even if ultimately I might have to bid as much as 20,000 Yen to win it).

Remembering I'd paid 19,800 Yen (equivalent to $250) for the nice example I bought on Yahoo Japan auctions last December. :)

 

Well you know how the old saying goes: If something looks too good to be true, it probably is ....


http://page11.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/n107757729

★ イエマ/YEMA 宇宙用クロノグラフ ◇レア◇ セイコー/SEIKO



The lengthy description text, which Google doesn't translate particularly well (I've made some attempt to improve on it) includes:


An introductory article about this watch was in the issue of August 15, 1992 "No.11 Watch in the World". The following is a text published,

(exhibit commercial model, not a prototype).




For the universe's first analog quartz chronograph, Yema's challenge was to overcome the many harsh conditions faced by astronauts in outer space. Company Yema of France has been asked to design and manufacture a watch for space flight France-Soviet ARAGATZ is to pass the conditions extremely difficult, and create a project team of academic research and development across the board, its most came to pass the toughest standards. And its reference, it features chronograph time and everything is analog, with respect to how to use shape and that sufficient consideration ergonomically have been, the main features by the paint-emitting radioactive even when there is no light source around that reading is possible. Besides this, the test was carried out in every conceivable harsh physical conditions of course. The commercial model has a stainless steel case, a slight modification of titanium for the case of the prototype, but is, instead, there is little performance is basically the prototype. Yema following have been accepted from the house is always a technical challenge many adventures, of the universe or what is waiting for them. Price 140,000 yen.


The decription body includes futher embedded images:




Last night I looked at the listing again, and saw it had a couple of bids placed - up to 7,100 Yen. So I clicked on Google translate:




It appears that the seller has set a reserve price - something which wasn't immediately apparent, before when there weren't any bids.

As the seller is aware that the watch sold for 140,000 Yen back in 1992, I suspect it will be set at something suitably astronomic. 

June 13, 2012 at 7:47 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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I found this 38mm 'reduced' Yema Spationaute III (model # N80A66) on Troc.com - a French consignment website:


http://www.troc.com/fr/produit-3411202591-chronometre-yema-spationaute-iii.htm

CHRONOMETRE YEMA SPATIONAUTE III



They're asking a reasonable 140.00 € for it (no other details are included in the advert) .... but check out the second photo. :roll:

Problem is, it's in their Lescar outlet in Pyrénées-Atlantiques, in south-west France, and they don't offer any mailing service ! :mad:

June 14, 2012 at 6:34 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Well you know how the old saying goes: If something looks too good to be true, it probably is ....

It appears that the seller has set a reserve price - something which wasn't immediately apparent, before when there weren't any bids.


Somehow, and I'm not sure of the mechanics, but before the auction ended, the seller managed to bump the price up to 20,000 Yen.

Presumably the previous auction ended with the Yema Spationaute unsold: http://page11.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/n107757729

- because it's just been re-listed: http://page18.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/w75720330 - with an opening bid price of 22,000 Yen.

 

June 20, 2012 at 5:38 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Although 'it's still all Greek Japanese to me', I think I'm gradually gaining a better understanding of how Yahoo Japan auctions work.

Where I wrote in my previous post:

Somehow, and I'm not sure of the mechanics, but before the auction ended, the seller managed to bump the price up to 20,000 Yen.

In fact, although the auction was only bid to 7,100 Yen (with the reserve price not met) at the end, he didn't bump it up to 20,000 Yen.

What I believe happened is that Yahoo automatically showed what the reserve price was set at - just as the auction was about to end.


It was re-listed last week with an opening bid of 22,000 Yen and no reserve: http://page18.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/w75720330

The auction was due to end at 14:20 UK time today, but didn't. Due to a second bidder placing a bid in the last 5 minutes, the auction was extended by 10 minutes, and then a further 10 minutes, until bidding stopped at 25,000 Yen after 7 bids (equivalent to £201.30).

June 27, 2012 at 9:38 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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A few months ago, I started a thread in this section entitled: I really didn't need another Yema N8 Flygraf .... It still holds true. So if anybody fancies one, and wants to risk dealing with a French seller (without the safety net that eBay provides) - be my guest.


Listed on LeBonCoin.fr yesterday was this:

http://www.leboncoin.fr/montres_bijoux/341229979.htm?ca=1_s


Montre YEMA FLYGRAF rare

Mise en ligne par François le 6 juillet à 14:07.


 

Prix : 85 €

Ville : Magny-sur-Tille

Code postal : 21110

Description : Excellent état.

Paiement Paypal préféré.


Note the last part - very unusual for a French seller - but as always, Caveat Emptor - you have nothing like eBay buyer protection.

July 6, 2012 at 9:03 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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