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To date, most bad examples of re-finishing cited in this thread have concerned stripping of coatings and / or (gold) re-plating.

There are a number of Seiko 7Axx's - both 7A28's and 7A38's which came in a black chrome plated finish, which is very vulnerable to rubbing wear. Some of these watches with the BCRP finish came in dark Brown (like the 7A38-6020 SAA041J) and dark Grey (like the 7A38-704x range). Then you've got the Black watches like the 7A38-6010 / - 6030; 7A38-7080; 7A38-7140 / -714A and 7A38-7290. All of these coated watches originally came in a matt finish, but soon take a polish with regular wear. The 7A38-7290 is particularly vulnerable to rubbing wear on the corners and bluff ends of the watch case.


It's relatively easy to 'touch up' these watches using an aerosol spray can or airbrush. I think I've just spotted on such re-spray job.


This 7A38-7290, then with evidence of rubbing wear was first listed on eBay by a Hungarian seller in the first week of February.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291678137518



It went unsold and was re-listed almost straight away, with two slightly different photos (one possibly photo-shopped):


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291685667759



But then that re-listing was ended early due to an alleged error in that listing.




In the most recent (and current) re-listing, yesterday lunchtime the seller uploaded a new set of photos.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291687532938



http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemRevisionDetails&item=291687532938


'Seems' being the operative word.

Seems to me that there's been (more than) a bit of touching up going on.


Study the 'before and after' photos carefully and you'll see what I mean - not just the ends of watch case, but most of the bracelet. :o

Caveat Emptor - as always, Gentlemen. 


February 20, 2016 at 5:53 AM Flag Quote & Reply

samulis
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That black watch is back on sale. I can confirm it has been painted. Whole bracelet is painted badly, watch case is touched up on places where it is worn out. Has new battery for sure as I changed it. Did not help on the movement acting up, but after been send back it now works again.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SEIKO-CHRONOGRAPH-7A38-7290-VINTAGE-RARE-BLACK-PILOT-SPEEDMASTER-/291718200733


March 24, 2016 at 5:56 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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nova at July 24, 2012 at 12:47 PM

JAPAN TITANIUM VINTAGE SEIKO 7A38 CHRONOGRAPH SPORTS 100M QUARTZ MEN WATCH





with nice coloured hands :lol:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/JAPAN-TITANIUM-VINTAGE-SEIKO-7A38-CHRONOGRAPH-SPORTS-100M-QUARTZ-MEN-WATCH-/271023268038


Remember this technicolour aberration posted by Andre ('Nova') on the first page of this thread, back in July 2012 ? :|


April 29, 2016 at 4:28 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at July 24, 2012 at 12:58 PM

That's pretty horrible, Andre !! 


Apart from the painted hands (wrong sweep hand) and batons someone's managed to fit a different minute? ring in there, too.


Here's how a Ti 7A38-7130 should look:




This was my initial matter-of-fact response.

April 29, 2016 at 4:29 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at July 24, 2012 at 1:28 PM

And the first bidder is a Zero-Feedback Newbie !! 


http://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&_trksid=p4340.l2565&rt=nc&item=271023268038


Although I didn't follow up at the time, the record for the ended listing still exists in eBay history. It sold for $124.50 after 15 bids.

To some schmuck unwitting buyer. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271023268038

April 29, 2016 at 4:34 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Well it's back !!  

Listed overnight on eBay in the States, by the winning bidder of the July 2012 auction - lightwaves808 (ID and 239 feedback match).


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172179472708


I've only bothered uploading 5 of the seller's 12 photos, but these two of the movement paint an even worse blacker picture ....




Gotta love the matching technicolour description. :lol:


Only one question:

How many reasons do you need to avoid ? (Unless you happen to be sat on a spare replacement dial / movement and dial ring).

Incidentally, the reason for: The larger seconds sweep hand (lime green w/orange dot) does NOT function ....

is plainly visible in the two photos of the movement - just in case you haven't read this thread (as the seller clearly hasn't). :roll:


April 29, 2016 at 4:42 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Thankfully nobody got too carried away with the bidding on this titanium 7A38-7130 technicolor abberation, this time around.

The auction ended in the early hours of this morning; sold for $67 after 7 bids - rather less than the previous $124.50 in 2012.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172179472708


May 9, 2016 at 5:30 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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It's been a (long) while since I last updated this thread. Readers may recall the first sentence of my first post on the first page.

You've got to hand it to some of the Filipino watch-botchers - a few of them have got case and bracelet re-finishing off to a fine art.

Indeed, to re-iterate, at the top of this page, I'd also written:

To date, most bad examples of re-finishing cited in this thread have concerned stripping of coatings and / or (gold) re-plating.


While running a worldwide search on Seiko 7A38 this morning, I spotted another re-finished example worthy of a mention.

Not surprisingly, it's being offered by one of the Filipino watch-botchers - time_essence and it's something of a 'classic'. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/302208151704


The watch's bezel, pushers and (extremely well-worn) crown have clearly all been re-plated. The watch case has obviously been polished, because the swage lines on the sides aren't as sharp as they should be. As the seller states in his description, the watch is still fitted with the 'original' correct Seiko p/n Z1162C bracelet (albeit a rather short one) - but what he conveniently omits to mention is that it's been completely stripped of its gold plating. Here's how a 7A38-7069 should look (and this one did once).




It really begs the question why these people go to all the effort (and still manage to get it wrong), for what is basically a $50 watch.


January 30, 2017 at 10:02 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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If you're seeking that 'military' look, certain Seiko 7Axx models, in well worn condition, can sometimes benefit from being satin finish bead-blasted. I've seen a couple of 7A38-7060's, a 7A38-7070 and a stainless 7A38-7270 customised that way in the past. Indeed, Bryan Hibbins used to specailize in it. His company was called SatinTime. Here's a couple of photos of that 7A38-7270 he did.




But it doesn't work on all 7Axx models. This 7A38-7260 was listed earlier this morning by an Italian eBay seller. The watch case was once an all-over gold tone finish - presumably suffering from badly worn plating. The bead-blasting has been reasonably well done, but to my eyes, it's just all wrong - especially with that blingy white dial. The rich tan coloured strap would have gone nicely with the original gold tone case. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/152470638299

 

Dalla mia collezione privata vendo bellissimo Seiko 7A38 - 7260, versione rara, cassa satinata, ottime condizioni, da collezione, perfettamente funzionante. 

Spedisco in tutto il mondo con posta raccomandata 1 con tracking number e garantisco un ottimo imballo per prevenire eventuali danneggiamenti dovuti al trasporto.

Sotto potete vedere le foto dell'orologio. 

From my private collection, I sell a Seiko 7A38 - 7260, perfectly working. 

I ship all over the world by registered mail with tracking number and I guarantee a very good packaging in order to prevent damages during shipping. You can see the photos of the watch below.


(Dozens more photos are embedded in the description - that is if you needed any more convincing this is a 'wrong un').


March 13, 2017 at 7:29 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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This 7A38-7080, which has been almost completely stripped of its black chrome coating was listed this morning by Italian eBay seller pichimmi.You can still see traces of the black coating in the bezel and crown nurling and around the pusher housings. It's fitted with a non-original Seiko 20mm bracelet (possibly a p/n Z1118S, but which I can't accurarately identify from the seller's photos) that appears to have been lightly bead-blasted to match the case. With an opening bid price of 120 Euros, it's certain to appeal to someone.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/302272908535


SEIKO CRONO QUARTZ VINTAGE, ACCIAIO.

FUNZIONANTE, BRACCIALE ORIGINALE.

GHIERA 40MM. OTTIME CONDIZIONI.


April 4, 2017 at 8:17 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I'm not sure if this qualifies as a very bad example of ill-thought out re-finishing, or just plain downright butchery. 

I spotted this aberration abortion listed on Yahoo Japan auctions, earlier today, with an opening bid price of 15,000 Yen.




http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/b258511646

Adult Speedmaster 7A28 7A38-7270 Chrono Gold · Working item




It was once a gold-tone 7A38-7270. Obviously the 'Milanese' style bracelet isn't original, but look at the watch case ! :o

The hooded lug boxes have been partially opened up (possibly to accomodate the bracelet fixing tube). The watch case has been stripped of it's gold plating (strangely leaving it on the pusher cups) but worst of all, the top surface of the case appears to have been skimmed in a lathe ! The Japanese seller makes no mention of any of the foregoing in their description, but as they clearly deal in watches, I suspect they may well have a good idea it's a wrong un. 


May 20, 2017 at 7:59 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I've already become accustomed to (and mildly amused by) the 'now you see it, now you don't' tactics of the devious Mexican eBay seller vintagemexicollectables. Last week, this listing for a what purported to be 7A38-7070 briefly appeared and just as quickly disappeared in the early hours of the morning


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/142442792520



Presumably withdrawn because of a pretty obvious error in the listing - it's actually a 7A38-7080 which has been (badly) stripped of its black chrome coating and half-heartedly polished. I suspected they might re-list it, hopefully with the title corrected at some point, but No. Here it is, re-listed in the early hours of this morning - just the same as before. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/142447538507



Please, make your best bid!!!

Description:

Working Excellent. Some little marks over the watch. Running excellent. The strap is not the original. The bezel is stucked but in great conditions. Please Check The Photos. In a used watch, the water resistance is not guaranteed.

Please, check the photos before the purchase, because there is no returns. Maybe the description lack all the information, but if in the photos is showed some characteristics that affect the function or the aesthetic of the product, no returns are accepted. Ask for all, please.

Shipment 2 days after the payment, please, ask for the tracking number. The shipment could be delayed 1 to 2 months, please, take in account. If a fastest shipment is desirable, the shipment cost would increase ( just through DHL).


I strongly recommend that you take their advice and check the photos. :lol: Apart from the grotty lume on the hands and dial batons, it's not difficult to spot what's left of the original black chrome coating - in the bezel and crown knurling, around the pusher cups and in the lug boxes. Oh and of course there's those giveaway case-back stampings. Probably best avoided at all costs. In the words of the Bard:



July 17, 2017 at 7:31 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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That Mexican eBay listing for the stripped 7A38-7080 ended in the early hours of this morning, selling for $168.50 after 36 bids.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/142447538507


July 24, 2017 at 6:13 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I notice that horribly butchered gold-tone 7A38-7270 is back again, re-listed on Yahoo Japan auctions earlier this week. 



http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/s539424505

Seiko Speedmaster 7A38-7270 chronograph old



The seller appears to have fitted a different bracelet. Makes you wonder why they bothered. :roll:


July 30, 2017 at 6:43 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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