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I've already had a bitch about some of the extortionate prices a few eBay sellers are trying to ask for 'rare' NOS Seiko 7Axx spares.

One that immediately springs to mind, is the 7A38-7080 Bezel, p/n 8631.0543 offered by Shylock-esque Israeli seller 'Seiko-Marvel', which I mentioned in the January Auction News #1 blog article: http://www.seiko7a38.com/news.htm and 4 months later, thanks to his avarice and the apparent stoicism of the 7Axx community, still remains unsold @ $125.00http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170760910539


I've also seen what I'd consider borderline-bleeding-ridiculous asking prices - often paid for various allegedly 'rare' NOS 7A28 bezels; 7A28 'Aliens' pusher extension housings and buttons on eBay recently. I just couldn't be arsed to comment on them, at the time.

April 29, 2012 at 12:02 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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What prompted me to start this topic was the appearance on eBay earlier today of 2 not-so-rare NOS Seiko 7A38 (plastic) dial rings.

The seller is WatchBizPete, a.k.a. Peter Kuhn, who used to work for Seiko Australia's service department in North Ryde, Sydney, NSW.

I've bought parts from Pete in the past, and had to grimace at some of the prices he tried to charge, and usually haggled him down.

So Pete trying to charge $35.00Au (approx £22.51) + $20.00 postage for what are <$5.00 parts (trade price) doesn't surprise me. :roll:

However, there is also a slight 'gotcher' with one of them:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221012720035

RARE VINTAGE SEIKO NOS CHRONO CAL. 7A38 . DIAL RING

BLACK & ORANGE


 

FOR SALE

RARE VINTAGE SEIKO NOS BLACK & ORANGE DIAL RING fits CALIBRE 7A38-

Part numbers are 84311485


You'll see he's clearly written BLACK & ORANGE as a subtitle, and the part number 84311485 is shown on the packet. No problems with that. But what Pete has omitted to write is the full 7A38-xxxx model number where this part was used. And that's the 'gotcher'. :/

Seiko p/n 84311485 is the lower dial ring for the 7A38-704B, which has YELLOW minute markers - NOT orange.

This dial ring is used on the 7A38-704A and 7A38-704C versions - it's a Seiko part number 84311484 - in a wrongly marked packet !

How do I know this ? Already been there, done that, got the T-Shirt. Last year I ordered a p/n 84311485 via Smith & Smith, in Sydney,

expecting to receive a Yellow on Black ring. Just like Pete's mine arrived with Orange markings. :mad: It cost me $7.00Au, incidentally. ;)

April 29, 2012 at 2:18 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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I couldn't resist sending Pete a cheeky eBay message, as you do sometimes. :P

His eBay auction title and description have since been amended accordingly:


RARE VINTAGE SEIKO NOS CHRONO CAL. 7A38 - 704A/C. DIAL RING

 

FOR SALE

RARE VINTAGE SEIKO NOS BLACK & ORANGE DIAL RING fits CALIBRE 7A38-704A/C

Part numbers are 84311484 - I have been advised the packaging is incorrect it reads 84311485


His asking price hasn't changed though ! :lol:


April 29, 2012 at 7:45 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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I'm sure I've taken a well-deserved poke at UK eBay seller shillachi61 on at least one other previous occasion - with regard to his ability (or should that read apparent inability) to correctly identify spare parts. IIRC, it was to do with pusher seals, but I can't find the thread. 

I've still got the image of his eBay listing in my Photobucket folder (saved for posterity). :lol:



Anyway, this existing topic title is close enough, so I'll tack it onto this thread. His latest gaffe is his new eBay listing for 7Axx stems:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/370811738367


Presuming you know what a Seiko 7Axx crown stem looks like, you don't even need to zoom in on his photo, to see that they're wrong:




The 'classic' being the part number label on the top of the box - 354423. The correct Seiko p/n for a 7Axx crown stem is 354728:roll:


May 8, 2013 at 8:59 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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I've found where I'd posted about schillachi61's cock-ups before. ;) It was in this aptly titled thread in the Members' Lounge section8)


My post, halfway down the first page starts:

Ahem. Somebody who gets a lot of plugs and attaboys over on SCWF needs to learn to get his facts / sizes / part numbers straight. :lol:


Oh well, it's out in the public section of the forum now - for all to see. :P

May 8, 2013 at 9:18 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Someone must have pointed out his error to him, because at 8:00am this morning, schillachi61 uploaded a new photo to his listing:


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemRevisionDetails&_trksid=p2047675.l2569&rt=nc&item=370811738367


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/370811738367

 


Me ? I think I'll carry on buying them from Cousins UK, just as I've always done. 



May 10, 2013 at 7:45 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at April 29, 2012 at 12:02 PM

I've already had a bitch about some of the extortionate prices a few eBay sellers are trying to ask for 'rare' NOS Seiko 7Axx spares.

One that immediately springs to mind, is the 7A38-7080 Bezel, p/n 8631.0543 offered by Shylock-esque Israeli seller 'Seiko-Marvel', which I mentioned in the January Auction News #1 blog article: http://www.seiko7a38.com/news.htm and 4 months later, thanks to his avarice and the apparent stoicism of the 7Axx community, still remains unsold @ $125.00http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170760910539


Or at least it was until the early hours of this morning, when after 18 months of (automatic) re-listing, it finally sold !  


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170760910539

June 17, 2013 at 11:45 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Ahem. Somebody who gets a lot of plugs and attaboys over on SCWF needs to learn to get his facts / sizes / part numbers straight. 


Obviously doesn't think he's getting enough lately. :roll: See: Its a shame - I wonder why? Truly pathetic - in the best SCWF tradition.


Incidentally in his most recent listing for 7A28 stems, the price is now reduced to 'only' £2.99 - still more expensive than Cousins UK. :lol:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400540914175


August 1, 2013 at 3:43 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I've already had a bitch about some of the extortionate prices a few eBay sellers are trying to ask for 'rare' NOS Seiko 7Axx spares.

One that immediately springs to mind, is the 7A38-7080 Bezel, p/n 8631.0543 offered by Shylock-esque Israeli seller 'Seiko-Marvel'


It seems that Israeli / Jewish eBay sellers might not be quite the greediest when it comes to asking prices for NOS Seiko spares. 


I've also seen what I'd consider borderline-bleeding-ridiculous asking prices - often paid for various allegedly 'rare' NOS 7A28 bezels;


Going back a few years, Cousins UK still had (NOS) stock of complete bezels for the 7A28-7040 / -7049, Seiko p/n 8631.0283.



On the recommendation of DaveS, and based on the fact that they used the same insert as the 7A38-7070 (and -7080) I bought one.




If only I'd had the foresight to buy a few more at the time. :roll:

I'd remembered the price I paid was something like £12.80, but to be certain, I dug out my folder and found the Cousins invoice from August 2010. Their price at the time was £12.50 less £1.88 discount plus 20% VAT making it actually £12.74. Not a bad memory, eh ?


There was one listed on eBay in Saudi Arabia at the beginning of the month, with an opening bid price of $90. It sold for $91.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321339866115


Now there's this - listed by UK ebay seller schillachi61 (a.k.a. Seikochrono on SCWF, purveyor of over-priced parts to the gullible):


http://www.ebay.com/itm/400680029440



O.K., so he may also be offering a NOS replacement crystal, Seiko p/n 310W64GN00 with this bezel ....

and similarly this part is unfortunately no longer available from Cousins UK, and marked as obsolete:



But when Cousins UK were selling them 3 years ago the price was £5.95, although recently the price was increased (almost doubled).

So schillachi's price of £82 (that's $135.38 for the benefit of our colonial cousins) is 4x what these parts would have cost 3 years ago !

Sheer unadulterated greed. 


To the 16 unfortunate people watching this listing, may I recommend that you keep your hands firmly planted in your pockets ....

I also suggest that you investigate Yobokies superb repro' bezel inserts. Meanwhile I'm working on sourcing a substitute crystal. ;)


March 21, 2014 at 6:26 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Yet another example of pure greed and complete and utter incompetence by eBay seller schillachi61 (a.k.a. Seikochrono on SCWF), purveyor of incorrectly identified over-priced parts to the gullible:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/371055692217


If you've read our Crystal and Gaskets thread then you'l know the correct crystal for a 7A38-701B 'Vulcan' is Seiko p/n 300WF0GN00.

But then if you didn't, it would only take half a minute to look it up on Seiko's database - assuming one could get the model # right. 


About the same as it would take you to discover that the crystal he is selling - Seiko p/n 300WB0GA00 is actually for the 7546-704A.

Still, I suppose it's 30.0mm diameter. :roll:


May 2, 2014 at 6:42 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Not entirely a surprise ....

Schillachi61 has another listing for the same (wrong part number 300WB0GA00) crystal aimed at gullible 7A28 RAF Gen. 1 owners.




Here's the screen print from Seiko Oz's database, that I posted in the Crystals and Gaskets thread, showing the correct p/n:


May 2, 2014 at 7:06 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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The greed of schillachi61- purveyer of over-priced parts to the gullible (particulary members of SCWF) appears to know no bounds.


His latest listing for Seiko 7Axx crown stems, p/n 0354.728 just came up in my eBay search:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400704474527



Fortunately, they're not quite as 'obsolete' as he would have you believe - still available from Cousins UK at the same old price:



May 4, 2014 at 8:24 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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eBay seller Schillachi61's greed carries on unabated. I mean £9.99 for 4 pusher washers or 3 circlips ?? :o


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/371058102394



http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400705852537



Of course these parts would fit almost any 7Axx, but these listings are clearly designed to target the gullible 7A28 RAF Gen. 1 owner.


May 7, 2014 at 12:08 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Another prime example of 'Economy with the Truth' by purveyor of over-priced parts to the gullible, eBay seller Schillachi61


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400706702460



I believe these spring-loaded after-market clasp extenders are actually made by Jonathan 'Mr Seiko' Koch's East Tech Engineering.

Apart from that misleading listing title, the seller klutz has omitted to state which width clasp his 'used' extenders are suitable for. 


May 8, 2014 at 8:22 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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This listing by a US eBay seller, for a NOS gold-plated Seiko crown, p/n 45M76N01, which is used on a few 7Axx's, came up in my saved favourite searches this morning. It gave me a good laugh, not for the seller's cheek - but his sheer incompetence. :lol:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141315490337


Like Shillachi61 and other eBay spare part sellers, the 'list' he's included is the 'Where Used' extract from Jules Borel's database.

Except this idiot copied and pasted the whole thing - including Jules Borel's price. :roll:




Cousins UK don't keep the exact same part with the N01 suffix, but p/n 45M76NA1, which is interchangeable:


http://www.cousinsuk.com/search-results?searchtext=Seiko+45M76




Incidentally, after protests about recent increases in their postage charges, Cousins UK appear to have dropped these back to their previous levels. On my most recent order for a few bits and pieces, which funnily enough included one of these crowns, the minimum (non-signed for) postage was £2.95. You know it makes sense. ;)


June 11, 2014 at 5:28 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The unashamed greed (and ignorance) of eBay sellers offering over-priced NOS 7Axx spares continues to amaze and anger me. 

Take this NOS 7A28A PCB listed earlier today with a Buy-it-Now prcice of $150:o


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171388297276


You can of course still buy these new from Cousins UK (for almost half the price, even with 20% VAT added):


http://www.cousinsuk.com/search-results?searchtext=Seiko+4001725




Or, if you'd been quick off the mark, last week you could have bought a complete NOS Seiko 7A28A movement from a Dutch seller:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321457958333


$150 would also buy you a half-decent complete working example of a 'less desirable' 7A28 model, or certainly at least two 'beater' gold-tone 7A28-7029's or maybe three NOS YSL Yema N7's to use as 7A28 movement donors (not just the PCB) and more besides.


July 16, 2014 at 4:35 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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But what really takes the biscuit for me, is what this greedy ignorant fool of a seller has done with this once NOS 7A28A PCB. :roll:




Notice the black wrapper to the left of the PCB in his two photos ? :/

When you buy a genuine NOS Seiko 7Axx PCB (this is a 7A38A - I've bought a few over the years) ....



They come sealed in a packet with an inner black paper lining, which totally envelops the PCB - for a good reason.

The CMOS IC on these circuit boards is sensitive to UV light - as indeed is stated on Page 11 of the 7A28A Technical Manual:



Where does this eBay seller state as his location ? - Saudi Arabia. 8) Makes this one rather suspect second-hand PCB in my book. 


July 16, 2014 at 4:44 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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I must admit, I've watched with mild satisfaction as the asking price of that NOS 7A28A PCB originally listed by eBay seller aka_nato for a ludicrous $150 has gradually come down through subsequent re-listings - and is currently at a mere $69 opening bid:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181522402042


Speaking of would-be rip-off merchants ....

I see SCWF's favourite butt-kisser vendor has just listed one - typically priced for maximum profit.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/371140635636

September 11, 2014 at 1:59 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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He's listing NOS Coils for 7Axx's, too - for a typically well over-priced £18.50 per ....


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm//371140632761


Even with their most recent price increase, they're still only £12.20 (+VAT) from Cousins:roll:


September 11, 2014 at 2:17 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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The unashamed greed of eBay seller shillachi61 (Stefan Radymski) purveyor of over-priced parts to the gullible continues unabated.


As if his price of £7.50 for a crown wasn't extortionate enough ....


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/371140733085


To add insult to injury, he's just re-listed the same crown, Seiko p/n 45M56NS1 with stem - for almost double the price.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/371140740253


The actual cost of a Seiko p/n 0354.728 stem from Cousins UK ? £2.50 + VAT. I'll leave it to you to do the math. 


Belated Edit: I've just done it myself. This latest 'joint' price of £14.25 represents a further 26p increase on the already ludicrous price he was asking for p/n 0354.728 stems (£6.49 each) at the beginning of May. (See my post dated 4th May, where I'd already flagged it).


September 12, 2014 at 8:05 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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