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7ARCool
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I recently purchased this bracelet; I knew what I was buying and was interested to see how the strap would match a 7Axx I have.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/330748936331

The delivery arrived within a week and I had a pleasant surprise! :D

For reasons I can only guess at (seller cautiously checked my feedback?) the seller included two straps, I love BOGOF! :lol:

Quality is not of Seiko standards and fairly lightweight, but you cannot grumble tbh.


June 23, 2012 at 10:49 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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I wish you'd have told me, Chris - I've got one you could have had - and saved on the postage. :roll:


Last year, purely 'on spec' - I didn't actually have a need for them at the time ....

I bought 2 of these 'Feiko' after-market 20mm bracelets - one from Mountapo_merchant, and the other from Saisaisuperstar.

They're slightly different, in that the clasps on Edmar's have a raised stamped Seiko logo, and the others like the one you've just bought, the logo is 'engraved'. I'll use that word in its loosest possible sense. Whereas either of them could pass (at first glance, without your glasses on) for a reasonable subsitute for the Seiko p/n Z1118S bracelet used on 7A38-701x's, their quality (both of construction and finishing) is nothing short of abysmal. Edmar's (Mountapo_Merchant) are marginally the better of the two, IMO.


I ended up using Edmar's Feiko bracelet on my Orient J39725-70 beater, fitting it with an Orient logo'd clasp .....




.... but only for want of something better. It is bloody uncomfortable to wear for any length of time, with its rough badly finished edges.


I strongly recommend that you don't try removing any of the supposedly removable adjustment links either. Good luck if you do !! :lol:


June 23, 2012 at 11:16 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Here's another variation of the 20mm Feiko bracelet I found listed on eBay this evening: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251095909417




The obvious giveaway being the SEIKO JAPAN stamped clasp. :roll:

June 27, 2012 at 6:17 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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O.K. I think I need to clarify and expand on this topic slightly. I'm sure Arpad won't mind me posting this. ;)


This is the 'Mountapo_Merchant' (Edmar Duero - Philippines) version of the 'Feiko' 20mm repro' bracelet.

He's not currently listing any on eBay, but as far as I can tell, this was the last time it appeared:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271038769354

SEIKO BRACELET FOR SEIKO BULLHEAD 6138, 6138-0040, 6138-0049 WATCH




BRAND NEW AFTERMARKET  (that's the important word)

SEIKO BRACELET FOR SEIKO BULLHEAD 6138-0040, 6138-0049 CHRONOGRAPH WATCH

September 15, 2012 at 9:15 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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This is the SaisaiSuperStar.Collection (Koko Lay - Singapore) version of the 'Feiko' repro bracelet:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/330792567238

Vintage Stainless Steel Bracelet Band 20mm for Seiko 5 Bullhead Watch Free S&H !




Brand New Minty Stainless Steel Replacement Bracelet or Strap for any Seiko watch with 20mm lugs width. Very neat and clean cut, vintage style light SS bracelet, fix it up to your any of your vintage Seiko watch and it will surely look minty n awesome again !

(Not OEM)  This is the important bit which means NOT Original Equipment Manufacturer - i.e. Not Seiko !!


Incidentally, if you check the eBay link in Chris's original post, you'll notice that '(Not OEM)' was missing from that earlier listing. 


In my experience, as supplied, these are very poor quality, and nothing like as good as the one shown in the seller's listing photo -

which I suspect is either a particularly good example, or possibly a genuine Seiko p/n G1410S, of which this repro' version is a copy.


But if you want them even cheaper, Koko is always happy to oblige. Just don't get in any bidding wars over these bracelets. :lol:

See: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/330792563378


September 15, 2012 at 9:39 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Here's what a genuine original Seiko p/n G1410S bracelet looks like (not too dissimilar from the topside):



Note the Seiko logo on the clasp is 'engraved' in a similar manner to the SaisaiSuperstar repro' (Feiko) copy.



Where they differ, is that the genuine article has G1410.E stamped into the underside of the fixing tube - and their adjustment links.

September 15, 2012 at 12:26 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Here's what a Feiko after-market bracelet looks like from the underside:




Just to repeat my earlier warning ....

I strongly recommend that you don't try removing any of the supposedly removable adjustment links either. Good luck if you do !! :lol:


September 15, 2012 at 1:01 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Here's another variation of the 20mm Feiko after-market bracelet, offered by another Singapore eBay seller - but double the price !


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230852432109

NEW WATCH BRACELET FIT SEIKO 6138 CHRONOGRAPH BULLHEAD




 

Here is a brand new replacement stainless steel watch bracelet to fit your vintage SEIKO Chronograph/Bullhead watch or any other Seiko watches that has a 20mm lug width.

Closed clasp end to end around 162mm ~ 6.3 inches.

Lug width around 20mm.


But perhaps this one may be of slightly better quality. At least the adjustment links appear to be removeable in the seller's last photo.


September 18, 2012 at 1:26 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at June 23, 2012 at 11:16 AM

I wish you'd have told me, Chris - I've got one you could have had - and saved on the postage. :roll:


Last year, purely 'on spec' - I didn't actually have a need for them at the time ....

I bought 2 of these 'Feiko' after-market 20mm bracelets - one from Mountapo_merchant, and the other from Saisaisuperstar.


My how times change. Two years on and I find myself looking for another 20mm 'Feiko' after-market stainless bracelet for myself. :roll:

(I'd since used my last two on Orient J39 Divers - for want of anything else suitable).

Whereas before, these things were all over eBay (particularly in the Far East), the only eBay seller I can find offering them now is weewatch777 in the States:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291189099395


Not only is he asking $25 (they were $9.99 from Saisaisuperstar), but despite his offer of free shipping, repeated in the description:

$25 only with free shipping to anywhere on earth. FREE SHIPPING TO WORLDWIDE ! .... that's not what eBay's postage shows. 

Which @ $40 total no longer makes for a cheap bracelet solution. 


Anybody found another source (that I've missed) ? :|


September 13, 2014 at 8:05 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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As Phil blurted out mentioned in another thread earlier this evening ....


Being a newbie to these watches and fairly lazy I haven't researched the bracelets yet, but I have come across this Ebay no 151427522013. Paul will tell us if it is incorrect. Ooops just checked the other pics and it's a bit of a dog.


I'd seen it earlier this afternoon, but having looked at the photos and translated the description, couldn't be arsed to comment on it. :P

As I suspect it probably did for Phil, it came up in my search on Seiko 7A38:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151427522013



This isn't a genuine Seiko bracelet but another of these Feiko aftermarket ones - funnily enough, like I'd been looking for, myself. :roll:

Except this one's apparently had the end fixing tubes chopped off (for reasons best known to the seller). 

I'm not sure what the German abbreviation usw. in the title stands for, but in English we'd probably translate it as NFG. 


September 30, 2014 at 1:58 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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I must admit, I'd nearly caved in and ordered one of those not-so-cheap and nasty 20mm Feiko bracelets from US-based eBay seller weewatch777 at his already inflated price of $25 (with allegedly free shipping). Not for use on a Seiko 7A38-701x, as I suspect the reason many people may have bought them - fortunately the watches in my collection are all on their original p/n Z1118S bracelets. 


No, I needed a stainless 20mm bracelet for one of my Orient J39001-70 Divers.




Two of them (top left) were already fitted with Feiko 20mm bracelets (for want of anything better) and although they look nothing like the Orient p/n SA160 bracelet, that I still had an odd one of them fitted with a leather strap had been bugging me for some time. :/

 

So I re-added his eBay listing to my watching page and last week sent the seller a message enquiring about the 'free shipping'.

He replied:




Grudgingly, I thought I'd leave it until after Christmas before ordering one.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291189099395



Only to find, when I checked the listing this morning, the same day he replied to my message he'd increased the price to $35 !! :mad:

I suspect he thinks he can get away with that price due to the fact there are still 55 people watching the listing for 'the last one'. 


December 26, 2014 at 7:27 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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To add insult to injury, I happened to check his feedback, to discover too late, he'd previously also been listing them as $1 auctions:


http://www.ebay.com/itm/291283341272



http://www.ebay.com/itm/291293720150



http://www.ebay.com/itm/291298597477



http://www.ebay.com/itm/291302573922



http://www.ebay.com/itm/301412437296



http://www.ebay.com/itm/291310690240



I suspect the last one selling for only $2.25 at the beginning of December was very likely the reason he stopped ....

But the $10 which a couple of them sold for in November (even with $10 shipping added) is much nearer the mark ....

Particularly when you rememeber Saisaisuperstar was selling the same Feiko bracelets for $9.99 (sometimes less) back in 2012.

See Chris's original eBay link (which still works) and my slightly later screen grab:



Hang on a minute ....


Saisaisuperstar.collection (who was previously based in Singapore, back in September 2011 when I purchased them from him):



.... now also shows his location as being (Az) Arizona, USA - the same as Weewatch777 - Phoenix, Arizona, USA. I smell a rat. 


December 28, 2014 at 6:35 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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So funny. 

Don't ever post a photo of your hand showing finger-prints / wedding band and your living room furniture in an eBay listing.

The primary image from the Weewatch777 listing for the Feiko 20mm bracelet:




The primarly image from a current eBay listing by Saisaisuperstar.collection for:

HUGE BLUTE BOREL ROTARY DISC AUTO MEN WATCH PAM CASE BId $1 NR Free S&H to USA



You never know who may be looking. 


December 28, 2014 at 7:48 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Oh and a word of warning about these cheap and nasty Feiko after-markets bracelets ....

I'd been wearing one of my Orient J39701-70 Divers fitted with one of these bracelets today (see pic in the WRUW thread).

Came to take it off and put it away in the watch box, 5 minutes ago; undid the Z-fold clasp and the watch just slipped off my wrist ! :o




The pin connecting one end of the Z-fold to the bracelet literally fell out as I opened the clasp. Their ends are not peened over as you'd find on a Seiko clasp. Just a piss poor push fit. Gonna solder up the ends of the pin tomorrow so it can't happen ever again. :mad:


January 2, 2015 at 5:14 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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I received this eBay notification yesterday - and almost immediately deleted it in disgust. 



Seems greedy eBay seller weewatch777 has mysteriously come up with a couple more Feiko bracelets after his previous 'last one'.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291361899113


LAST 2 IN STOCK ! Again. :roll:


I wonder how many more he's really got left (in truth). :/ At $35 a pop, for a nasty case of wrist rash, I think I'll continue to pass. 


January 24, 2015 at 8:11 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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As I suspected - just another lie to push the price up. 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301531394542


March 1, 2015 at 7:20 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Readers will have presumably noted my derogatory comments about the supposedly 'removable' adjustment links that come on some of these 20mm Feiko aftermarket bracelets. Having said that, I've been fortunate in that I've never needed to remove a link from the few such bracelets I've used (mostly on Orient J39's).


This morning I posted a photo of my Puma Y19301-70 in the WRUW thread. At first glance, you might think it was fitted with a Feiko bracelet. To all intents and purposes, externally at least, it looks just like one - same link pattern and brushed finish. But it's a much better quality. I bought it on eBay Germany a couple of years ago. It was branded Junghans, but with no part number stamped or identification, other than the Junghans logo'd clasp cover, which I swapped for a plain generic (Cousins) one.

But where it differs is that it has proper removable adjustment links:




I'd noticed the markings on the adjustment links before, but today thought to take a closer look. They're stamped U.K. PAT. 1418802

So I googled it:

http://www.directorypatent.com/GB/1418802-a.html

http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=GB&NR=1418802 (includes drawings)


1418802 Link straps WAI KWONG LAM [trading as HANSON METAL FACTORY] 28 Dec 1973 [3 Jan 1973] 421/73 Heading A3H [Also in Division E2] A link strap, such as a watch strap, comprises a series of transverse links 1a-d connected by intermediate members 2a-d. Each intermediate member consists of a casing 11a and a slider 12a which is held by friction in one of two positions, the first shown by 2a and 2d when the member is releasable and the second by 2b and 2c when the member joins two adjacent links by engaging the fingers 18a, 19a with lugs 7a, 6b on the links while the fingers 20a, 21a remain engaged with lugs 9a, 8b. The slider may be split longitudinally into two halves one of which is slidable while the other is fixed or slidable.


Still made in China though ! :lol:


April 8, 2015 at 5:58 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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