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Seiko7A38
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Going back 3 years or so, I started a thread on RLT, with the same title: http://www.thewatchforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=40941


I thought it might be of interest to some, to carry on where that thread left off.

Yahoo Japan auctions are slightly different to eBay; more gentlemanly behaviour still prevails. Last second sniping is not common -

nor is it particularly easy, as most auctions have a built-in extension to allow a losing bidder to come back and have another go at it.


I'm only going to bother commenting on auctions for 'significantly rarer 7A38's that I've seen on there, and watched the endings of.

If anybody else wants to comment on other 7Axx's (7A28's are much more common in Japan), please feel free to add to this thread -

But please do not flag current auction listings - there may be a few forum members who are considering bidding on them.

June 24, 2012 at 10:03 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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An auction for a JDM 7A38-6040 in nice used condition ended earlier this afternoon. 

It was a 7-day listing, with an opening bid price of only 1 Yen, and no reserve price set, so I thought it might be worth mentioning:


http://page4.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/d132386575

セイコー スピードマスター クロノ 稀少7A38 検)ジウジアーロ

 



Here's screen prints of how the auction looked 5 minutes from the end:





And Google translations of them, FWIW:




The auction ended without any late bids placed at  ¥30,500 Yen after 21 bids by 10 bidders (equivalent to £243 / $379 US).

June 24, 2012 at 11:09 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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In case anybody fancies having a go themselves, in post # 6 of the RLT thread, there's a link to 'Dealing with Yahoo Japan auctions'.


http://www.ffmusic.info/yjtutorial.html


It's still live, but rather dated. The biggest proxy services are still Rinkya and SMJ, but I've also had limited success using Japamart.

Whichever proxy service you may choose, remember to factor in commission, currency conversion costs, VAT on arrival in UK, etc.

Nice 7Axx's on Yahoo Japan rarely come cheaply, and many are often speculatively over-priced, but it's always worth considering. 


Note Daryl's comment about sniping on Yahoo Japan auctions:


Unfortunately, sniping on YJ isn't as easy as it is on eBay. If a new bid is entered with, I believe, 5 minutes or less left on the auction, YJ AUTOMATICALLY extends the auction by (I think) 5 or 10 more minutes. I once got into a bid war that extended the auction's end time by well over an hour before I finally gave up.

 

Most, but not all, auctions will automatically extend their time.

HOWEVER, if you see this sentence in the item description, the end time will NOT be extended:

June 24, 2012 at 11:32 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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I'm only going to bother commenting on auctions for 'significantly rarer 7A38's that I've seen on there, and watched the endings of.

If anybody else wants to comment on other 7Axx's (7A28's are much more common in Japan), please feel free to add to this thread -


Or I might just comment on the odd 7A28 myself. :D

Here's and interesting and certainly rare model - a 7A28-7160 Honda F1 - the Yahoo Japan auction ended about 15 minutes ago:


http://page5.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/e124366290

希少セイコー×HONDAホンダ7A28-7160F-1GPレーシングチーム´89



Not the best example I've seen, and rather surpringly for a Japanese-owned watch, showing a significant amount of light 'wabi'.

The opening bid price was a hefty 38,000 Yen ($477 / £309), and after 3 days of the listing, despite its rarity there were no takers. :(

Belated edit: After having been re-listed a couple more times; even subsequently reduced to 30,000 Yen, the watch still went unsold.

July 8, 2012 at 10:50 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Yeh, Yeh, Yeh .... O.K. so I know what I wrote. :roll:


I'm only going to bother commenting on auctions for 'significantly rarer 7A38's that I've seen on there ....


But this one is worthy of mention, even though it was for 'just a common-or-garden' stainless 7A38-7280 - for a couple of reasons. ;)


It ended about 1:35pm UK time today, and both Dai(suke) and myself were watching it. :/


http://page7.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/g111100224

【SEIKO】セイコー クロノグラフ 7A38 ◇ クオーツ デッド



 

The stainless white-faced 7A38-7280 (SAA119J), and the US market version 7A38-7289 (SAA109J) are not rare - far from it. You can pick up 'beaters' (which can be easily be refurbished by re-brushing) for under 50 Quid, and I don't think I've ever seen mint examples sell for over $200. I certainly paid a lot less for mine. Even the couple of salesman's sample cases I've bought on eBay came in around the $25 mark. But I'd never seen a NOS example before on eBay - let alone on Yahoo Japan, where being an export model, it might be considered something of a rarity. This one was described as 'Dead Stock' - the equivalent Japanese phrase used instead of 'NOS'.


So it really was anybody's guess what it might go for ....

July 9, 2012 at 9:18 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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This auction was also interesting as it shows how pointless it is to try and snipe on Yahoo Japan, and the automatic extension at work.


This is how things looked 10 minutes before the auction was (originally) scheduled to end, with bidding already at a strong 20,500 Yen:




Literally seconds before the last 5 minutes, a bidder sneaked in another bid taking it to 22,500 Yen:




The chap who'd been outbid wasn't having any of it, and risking extending the auction by 10 minutes, he came back at him:




It ended after having been extended (twice) by a total of approximately 15 minutes (by my reckoning) at 1:35PM UK time:




No additional bids were placed in the final 5 minutes of the second 10 minute extension, which would have extended it once again. 

It finally sold for 27,500 Yen after 26 bids by 7 different bidders. That's equivalent to £222.60 or $345 US. Big money for one of these.

July 9, 2012 at 5:30 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Not exactly watches, but something possibly nice to have - especially if you happened to be a Japanese 7Axx D-I-Y enthusiast:


http://page10.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/m103928791

♪セイコークォーツ7A28Aの技術解説書(ジウジアーロ)





There doesn't seem to be so much interest in 7A38's and 7A48's in Japan - possibly understandably, as they weren't big sellers in the domestic market, not compared to the 7A28, so perhaps that's why this Japanese seller has lumped these together as another lot:


http://page16.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/u42357910

♪セイコークォーツ7A48A等の技術解説書他4冊




The layouts of these Japanese versions of the Seiko technical manuals appear to be slightly different to the ones we're familiar with.

August 22, 2012 at 6:49 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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If anybody else wants to comment on other 7Axx's (7A28's are much more common in Japan), please feel free to add to this thread  ....


I may have written this before - and even if I haven't, it may sound as if I'm stating the bleedin' obvious ....

But if you're looking for a specific JDM version of a 7A28 or a JDM (only) 7A38, the best place to look is Yahoo Japan.

For example, there are currently 5 - Yes FIVE JDM 7A28-7040's listed on there:


http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/157103782

http://page6.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/f119109935

http://page4.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/d131998846

http://page7.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/g104847979

http://page7.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/g118052901


As is usually  the case, the condition of all of them is far better than some of the rough examples you'll see turning up on eBay.

This is the one from the last link above:

 

超レア★SEIKOスピードマスタークロノグラフ7A28★メンテ済



 


August 24, 2012 at 1:56 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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As is usually the case, the condition of all of them is far better than some of the rough examples you'll see turning up on eBay ....


This being a good example - a JDM 7A28-7040 on offer on eBay (and has been for a good while) from 'Markstoys' of Hong Kong:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230835586497

SEIKO SPORTS CHRONOGRAPH 7A28-7040 speedmaster diver watch




Apart from the cosmetic condition, it's hardly surprising it's not selling - at the $335 asking price. :roll:


August 24, 2012 at 3:49 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Another Honda F1 7A28-7160 was listed on Yahoo Japan on Friday, as a 2-day listing, with an opening bid price of 25,000 Yen.

It was possibly in slightly better overall cosmetic condition than the previous example, save for a lug broken off the clasp closer:


http://page2.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/b138402293

SEIKO 7A28 F1 HONDA スピードマスター!80年代クロノグラフ




It is 7A28-7160 F1 HONDA Speedmaster SEIKO. Good behavior. The approximate size of the case, 40.5MM × 53.5MM vertical width. (Not including crown) 39MM diameter bezel. It is a condition, though there is a slight small scratches on the glass, but overall is beautiful, one of the claws of the buckle of the band is lacking. Can also be used in its current state, anxious, I think is a good idea to replace the band clasp. * The band comes out to about 17.5CM arms around genuine. Thank you in a no claim. (Added 11:45 August 25, 2012)


There were no bids placed - it went unsold.


What tickled me, was that in obvious reaction to seeing this new listing, the other seller whose 7A28-7160 had gone unsold in July, at 30,000 Yen, almost immediately re-listed his own again, also at 25,000 Yen: http://page4.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/d133138461

His listing was due to end about 30 minutes after the other one. It's not to difficult to forecast the outcome, is it ? :roll:

August 26, 2012 at 10:08 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Not the best example I've seen, and rather surpringly for a Japanese-owned watch, showing a significant amount of light 'wabi'.

The opening bid price was a hefty 38,000 Yen ($477 / £309), and after 3 days of the listing, despite its rarity there were no takers.

Belated edit: After having been re-listed a couple more times; even subsequently reduced to 30,000 Yen, the watch still went unsold.


Subsequently both these Honda 7A28-7160's have since been re-listed at 25,000 Yen - a good few times, and still gone unsold.

But now the first one I commented on has been re-listed at 20,000 Yen: http://page4.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/d133138461

Belated edit: By late October it had been reduced again to 18,500 Yen. 

September 21, 2012 at 7:22 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Not particularly rare, either in Japan or the rest of the world, but still probably one of the most sought-after of Giugiaro 7A28 variants, a 'Ripley Aliens' 7A28-7000 (JDM Speedmaster version) in reasonable used condition was listed on Yahoo Japan auctions last weekend:


http://page7.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/g114736368

エイリアン シルバーモデル スピードマスター 7A28 ブレス付



The opening bid price was 1,000 Yen, with no reserve. The auction ended minutes ago, without drama. No extension. No snipe-fest.

It sold for a very reassuring 88,500 Yen (equivalent to $1100 US /  £686 GBP) after 23 bids placed by 8 different bidders.

 

November 4, 2012 at 9:59 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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I'm currently watching a couple of 7Axx auctions on Yahoo Japan, which I'll comment on once they've ended. ;)

As mentioned before, I've had a couple of goes at bidding on items on Yahoo Japan auctions myself in the past. I actually won one. :D

When I wrote up the previous post above on June 24th, which starts:

In case anybody fancies having a go themselves, in post # 6 of the RLT thread, there's a link to 'Dealing with Yahoo Japan auctions'. 

Around that time, I'd also started to draft another post up in Word. Seems like I forgot to add it into this thread. I found it again today.

 

Maybe I was planning to start another topic, because I'd given it a title:

The true cost of buying from Yahoo Japan using Japamart.com

 

As you will no doubt have seen, there are many items to tempt the watch collector on Yahoo Japan Auctions, particularly JDM 7A's.

The problem is, if you don't have a Japanese postal address, it’s virtually impossible for a 'gaikokujin' to register and bid on there.

So, unless you have a Japanese friend, the only option is using one of the third party Japanese shopping / shipping companies.

Best known amongst these are Shopping Mall Japan, Rinkya and Japamart. I chose to use Japamart, based on their reviews.


There's a thread on WatchUseek, which I hadn't linked before that's worth reading. It gives you an idea of their charges / services:

http://forums.watchuseek.com/f21/has-anybody-ever-used-japamart-buy-japanese-online-auctions-232178.html

 

I was going to use the example of the Yema Spationaute III which I'd bought on Yahoo Japan in December last year to illustrate the total costs involved. Unfortunately, even when I logged into my Japamart account, it's all now completely disappeared from history:

http://japamart.com/auctoolc.php?url=http://page19.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/x193718556

http://page19.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/x193718556

YEMA/イエマ SPATIONAUTE3 クロノ クォーツ デイデイト 腕時計



Around the time I bought it, I also had a couple of unfortunate mishaps with my home PC - a partial loss of data, particularly my Excel spreadsheets, due to corrupted USB drive, followed by a nasty virus. I've been gradually building back up my records, ever since. 


What I do know is that I got that Spationaute III for the opening bid price of  ¥19,800 Yen, which equates to $249 US at today's rates.

My total bill from Japamart (their commission + shipping) was $357.65. Again, using today's exchange rates that's equivalent to £224.

So not too bad, and certainly cheaper than buying one in similar condition off eBay France, where these watches fetch a premium.

But then of course you have to add on the £43.67 (20% VAT) and £13.50 I was charged by Parcel Farce for 'Priority Clearance'. :mad:

Fortunately for myself (and a few other members) I recently found another source of NOS Yema Spationaute III's in the States ....

Their prices are cheaper @ $225 each ex works, and presuming one can find a means of avoiding paying Customs charges .... 


Which serves to show one should really only ever resort to using middle-man services like Japamart when you've no other option. :/


November 10, 2012 at 10:18 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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I'm currently watching a couple of 7Axx auctions on Yahoo Japan, which I'll comment on once they've ended. ;)


This was one of them, which just ended just a couple of minutes ago:


http://page12.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/p319472997

・★ジャンク品扱★SEIKO セイコー スピードマスター 7A28-7100



On the face of it, a nice lightly-used example of the JDM 7A28-7100, similar to the one at the bottom of the January Auction News #1:

http://www.seiko7a38.com/news.htm


It was the bidding (or more correctly the inital lack of it) that made this one different.

The opening bid price was 1,000 Yen, but with 3 hours of the 7 day listing to run, it was still at only 1,500 Yen after 6 bids. :/

With 6 minutes to go, it had risen to 6,850 Yen, but during the last 5 minutes someone bid again, taking it to 9,750 Yen, which

caused the auction to be automatically extended by another 10 minutes. It finally ended at 10,500 Yen (approx . $129 / £81.50).

On the face of it, a bargain-priced JDM 7A28 - certainly by Yahoo Japan standards ....


November 16, 2012 at 9:44 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Sir Alan
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Maybe this put people off Paul?


SEIKO 7A28-7100 SPEEDMASTER of

it did not work as well on a new battery.

Who can repair, please!, Or to take part

will be considered junk.


November 16, 2012 at 10:58 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Correct, Simon. 

 

SEIKO の SPEEDMASTER 7A28-7100

電池交換するも 動きませんでした。

修理できる方、もしくは部品取りにどうぞ!!

ジャンク品扱いになります。

ノークレーム・ノーリターン でお願いします。


Although I had already written the first line starting: On the face of it, a nice lightly-used example of the JDM 7A28-7100 ....

I don't blame you for nicking what was going to be my punchline. :P


As we discussed, this is exactly what can happen when I start a post, then get interrupted (as happened today, by the plumber :mad: )

.... planning to come back and finish editing it later. Still not a bad price though, even if the buyer has to swap the entire movement.


November 16, 2012 at 11:43 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Remember this ?


Unfortunately, sniping on YJ isn't as easy as it is on eBay. If a new bid is entered with, I believe, 5 minutes or less left on the auction, YJ AUTOMATICALLY extends the auction by (I think) 5 or 10 more minutes.


Apparently there is a third party proxy which offers such a debatably useful service - FromJapan: http://www.fromjapan.co.jp/title/about

 

Real time bidding service 

FROM JAPAN® LTD houses a self-contained real time bidding system where the user can sign up for a FROM JAPAN® LTD account and bid on their own in real-time inside of Yahoo® JAPAN and Bidders® Auction house.

 

Sniper bid service

Just like a Sniper, Fast, quiet, but deathly, The Sniper Bidding system is our own brand of bidding that will automatically bid for you 5 minutes before the end of the auction. This system is so good that we have patented it and therefore we are the ONLY bidding service company online with this system!


November 23, 2012 at 6:07 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Incidentally, the long-running battle between two Japanese sellers trying to move their 7A28-7160 Honda F1's continues unabated:


See: http://page4.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/d133138461 and http://page2.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/b138402293



As of this morning, still with no takers, their opening bid prices had dropped to 15,000 and 20,000 Yen respectively. :roll:

December 11, 2012 at 7:10 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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It's been over a year since I've seen a 7A38-7030 listed on Yahoo Japan Auctions. That last one was documented in the January 2012 #1 Auction News article (towards the bottom): http://www.seiko7a38.com/news.htm

This example was listed on Yahoo Japan last week, as a 3-day auction with an opening bid price of 5000 Yen:


http://page2.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/b144569319

セイコー7A38スピードマスターデイデイトチタン難あり



The auction ended a few moments ago - at the scheduled local (Japan) time of 9:24pm. There was no extension - the winning bidder placed his high bid at about 9:12pm local time. It sold for only 27,000 Yen (equivalent to $287.50 / £185) after 17 bids by 4 bidders.

Low for one of these rare all-Titanium JDM models - normally they sell in the 40,000 - 50,000 Yen price range. On the face of it, from the seller's three photos, at least, it appeared quite tidy. The red CHRONOGRAPH script on the dial was faded (as is quite common).


The 'gotcher' was in the description (literally translated by Google as follows):

Seiko Chronograph age 80 generally is in good condition but there is some fine scratches on watch, chronograph operation (start, integration, reset to 0) no problem sending date, day of the week send, no problem fast forward. Glass is intact in my opinion. No discoloration dial you Ari to stop adhesive belt is broken in one place also, the belt itself is about weak 15cm fairly short connecting portion can be substituted by the belt of convex once or modification to Find your own Masu please Watch home because it is a rare model, as well, such as a desk clock ships ....


So it would appear that the bracelet was not only short, but that a link connection was broken - unfortunately not shown in any photos. Then again, it might only have needed something a simple as a missing spit pin replaced (used on the removeable adjustment links).


February 18, 2013 at 7:24 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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There's not been very much (anything) worthy of comment that I've seen listed on Yahoo Japan Auctions recently - same old stuff. 

Japanese re-seller 'Swotlab' continues to try to flog his grossly over-priced (ex-eBay) beaten-up 7A28's and 7A38's back home. 

Most other 7A38's are equally ambitiously over-priced and there's still that Orient J39701-70 'Indy 500' being relisted ad nauseam. :roll:

7A28's fare no better, with loads of Bishops and Aliens and other JDM models on offer - all with similarly stupid asking prices. 

But today I spotted something refreshingly different .... and with an opening bid price of only 10,000 Yen (approx £66 / $101). :)


http://page10.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/m107856696

名機 7A28-701A クロノグラフ搭載、シャリオ



Except it's not what it says in the auction title. It's actually a 7A28-7130 (as stamped on the case-back) - and the product code CAY018 on the price tag confirms. Here's an illustration from Seiko's 1985 Japanese catalogue:




NOS, unworn with tags and JDM Kanji case-back sticker in place. A very nice little watch indeed. (Little being the operative word).

We have actually seen and discussed one of these before on the forum, fairly recently - back in September and October last year. ;)

Except that one wasn't in quite such good condition.  It cropped up halfway down the second page of the Timely_Classic thread:

seiko7a38.com/apps/forums/topics/show/7165539-a-definite-case-of-d-j-vu-caveat-emptor-time-classics-now-timely-classic?page=2


As sold by Mountapo_Merchant (a.k.a Edmar Duero):


.... and subsequently re-gurgitated by Time_Classics (as they still were at the time, before they changed their ID to Timely_Classic):


*RARE 1984 PVD SEIKO 7A28 7130 RALLY CHRONOGRAPH SERVICED




To re-quote James (this was a classic turn of phrase): The second one is 'the art of disguise by photographic styling' in full effect.


I guess it was because we were too busy criticising the condition of the watch and taking the p!ss out of Time_Classics' listing ....

But I completely failed to notice that there was something missing from the watch - both that example and this one on Yahoo Japan.

There's neither CHRONOGRAPH (as you'd expect with a JDM model) nor Chronograph printed on the dial. Just SEIKO QUARTZ. 8)


Belated Footnote:

Bidding on that NOS 7A28-7130 on Yahoo Japan auctions ended at 26,000 Yen (approx. £171.50 / $261) after 26 bids by 10 bidders:


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