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What do you think of this Seiko 7A38? I think it's uncommon.


http://orologi.forumfree.it/?t=65976964

Seiko 7A38-6090 Un pezzo poco conosciuto.

Mi limito a trasmettere, ai posteri , le foto di questo non comune 7A38-6090.

Si tratta di un modello poco noto e sul quale la rete è avara di informazioni.

Design tipicamente '80 (l'orologio è del febbario 1988).

Dichiarato impermeabile fino a 10 BAR.

 

Quadrante argentee, con una bella lavorazione a "griglia".

Particolare l'indice a disco "solare" a ore 12.

Non comune, su questi crono, la scritta SQ in corsivo (ho controllato tutti i miei 7a28/38 e nessuno la riporta)

Cassa 38mm.

Vetro leggermente "bombatino".


May 24, 2013 at 6:05 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Hi, Manuel. Thanks for posting this - it was the wake-up call I needed.

I had actually started a topic on this model over a year ago - or at least I had reserved 4 posts for it - but never done anything more.

So what I've done is copied my original topic title over to your thread, and copied and pasted your first post from Orologi & Passioni.

I hope that's O.K. with you. ;)


The stainless version of the 7A38-6090 SAA115J is the least commonly found variant. I have one in a similar condition to yours.




I also have the stainless / gold two-tone 7A38-6090 SAA116J (I rebuilt this one out of two watches):




and the stainless / gunmetal two-tone 7A38-6090 SAA117J, which is the most commonly found variant - usually on eBay Germany.



May 25, 2013 at 2:41 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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However, before I go any further, I should point out there is, theoretically, another even rarer 4th version of the 7A38-6090 - SAA134J.

I say 'even rarer' because up until now, I still haven't seen ever one myself. But according to Seiko Oceania's database, it does exist.



The 7A38-6090 SAA134J variant uses the same off-white 'waffle' dial p/n 7A386080XS24 as the stainless two-tone SAA116J, but ....

The case material finish is shown as: THC.MGP (Top Hard Coated - Middle Gold Plated) and the bracelet is a different p/n - S1002D. 

So it's presumably a gunmetal / gold two-tone with a creamy-white dial. Sounds a little odd. Maybe Seiko never actually produced it. :/


May 25, 2013 at 2:58 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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So let's start off with a little history - the saga of my three current examples of the 7A38-6090 (and other owners) in reverse order ....


The first references I found, when I started looking for information about the 7A38-6090, back in August 2009 ....

and at that time, if I remember correctly, these were the only two references to be found anywhere on the internet, were:

This post on the old Network54 SCWF in June 2005: http://www.network54.com/Forum/78440/message/1118652841/seiko+7a38




Note Hermann-Josef's statement: Although searching the internet for many times, I couldn't find anything about this watch.


and this posted 16 months later on WatchUSeek, in October 2006: http://forums.watchuseek.com/f21/seiko-7a38-6090-info-31991.html



 

Not having seen a 7A38-6090 myself at that stage, I tracked down and emailed both Hermann-Josef and Jan ....

asking them both if they'd be kind enough to take a photo of their watches for me. Hermann-Josef replied with this super photo of his:




Jan sent me these three. The first two are a little dark, but the third one shows some details of the caseback and the unusual clasp:




I bought my very first 7A38-6090 - a stainless / gunmetal two-tone version, from a US eBay seller, a few months later in October 2009.

It wasn't the best example, not by a long way - but it was the first that I'd seen on eBay, so thinking they were 'rare' - I pounced on it. 



Apart from having a badly scratched crystal, it was missing its original bracelet, fitted with a Spiedel Twist-O-Flex band, that had been trimmed down (badly) at the ends, to fit the 14mm lug width. Still I'd only paid $22 - and when I complained to the seller about how the bracelet had been fitted, he kindly sent me another F.O.C. !!

I cleaned up and re-finished the watch case and fitted a new crystal. Next on the agenda was a replacement bracelet. I'd started searching on eBay Germany by that time, but although I didn't see any more 7A38-6090's for a while, I did come across the very similar looking 5P32-6A40. Here's a couple of photos I saved from three different eBay listings for them in 2009 and 2010:



.... and a photo of a period German Seiko catalogue cover showing one:




For a while, I'll admit I did actually contemplate buying a 5P32-6A40, to rob it of its p/n G1237H bracelet. Apart from a slightly different Z-fold clasp used, its overall design is almost identical to the 7A38-6090's p/n S1002H bracelet - and it's also a 14mm lug width fitting.

As things turned out, I never did. Like they always do, a better example of the same 7A38-6090 turned up on eBay Germany. My first one got broken up for parts - mostly for the movement with its unique gold on black lettered day / date wheels, which are only used on this particular model 7A38-6090 SAA117J. Odd when you think about it because there are quite a few 7A38's with black / gold dials.


Besides, by mid 2010, I was beginning to see other much better examples, so I knew they were out there, waiting to be found.

This photo of his pristine-looking example was sent me by the erstwhile prominent US Seiko 7A38 collector, Pete Pantelidis:




Here's a wrist shot of his 7A38-6090, posted here on UhrForum.de in September 2010 by Homan:




Unless I'm mistaken, I believe the same 7A38-6090 was purchased by 'Paul66' (a.k.a 'BlackCab' on this forum), in October 2010,

when he emailed me these first three photos of it:




Because very soon after, he started this thread on RLT: http://www.thewatchforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=59404


7A38 New Arrival Anyone (NOT PAUL) know what it is?????????????

This arrived a couple of days ago and after fitting a new glass is ready to go away with my other 7A38's. Paul (SEIKO7A38Fan) has already seen the pictures and knew right away what model 7A38 it was, he has his own!

 I've not seen this one before and didn't have a clue what it was!! 

Anyone seen one or know which model number it is? 




Never having been that happy with my own previous example, I bought another on eBay Germany in August 2011.



Slightly more expensive than my previous $22 beater, this one cost me 30.50 Euros. Like most 7A38-6090's usually seem to, it needed a new crystal and the bracelet's split pins replacing. It cleaned up quite well. Not the best of photos, but another different wrist shot:




Lastly, for now, for this particular variant of 7A38-6090, here's the only small photo I saved from a German eBay listing in April 2012:




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With the two-tone stainless / gold plated version, I did my usual daft trick - buying the first one I ever saw. Actually worse than that, I deliberately bought the first two I saw (within a week of each other) in March 2011. However, this time it was completely intentional. :D


The first one, which had a working movement but was fitted with a non-original replacement bracelet was on eBay in the States:



The second which had a faulty movement, but in nicer cosmetic order with original bracelet fitted, was in a job lot on eBay Germany:




It didn't take very long to build a half-decent-looking, working watch out of the two of them. Here's a few photos I took of it back then:




According to my records, the one from the States cost $59 and that from Germany 30 Euros, including shipping, total approx. £77. :)


There was another stainless / gold plated two-tone listed on eBay in the UK in June 2011. Oddly enough the listing is still in history:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/390323439531




That one was purchased by 'Paul66' on RLT (a.k.a 'BlackCab' on this forum).


The stainless / gold-plated two-tone 7A38-6090 is less common than the stainless / gunmetal two tone, so don't crop up on eBay very often. It wasn't until January 2012 before I saw another. I didn't keep any details of the listing, nor the price it sold for. Just this photo.



The watch head looks in nice cosmetic condition, but it was missing it's original bracelet, fitted with a leather strap, notched to fit.


End of June 2012, this well-worn 'head only' was listed on Okazii.ro and also: http://ceasuridemana.ro/seiko-7a38-6090_a124916.html




Presumably it's the same 7A38-6090 which was posted here, more recently on Ceasornica.ro by 'Bonheur':/




Again, if one wanted to source 'alternative' similar appearing bracelets from other Seiko models, apart from the equivalent stainless gold-plated two-tone 5P32-6A40, there's also the 8E22-0010, which on the face of it, is actually a ladies watch, but may possibly fit.




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And so to the stainless white-faced 7A38-6090, which as Manuel implied - of these three variants is the least commonly found version.

The first example I saw again belonged (and still does, AFAIK) to the erstwhile prominent US Seiko 7A38 collector Pete Pantelidis.

He emailed me these two photos of his example in May 2010. It's obviously fitted with a non-original replacement bracelet:




It wasn't until October 2011 that I saw one listed on eBay by a Belgian seller. Again, surprisingly the listing still survives in eBay history:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190590515641



 

Great watch, rare piece. In working order.

Bracelet needs fixing; little vis missing to retain the bracelet clip.

Le 22-oct.-11 à 18:12:25 CEST, le vendeur a ajouté les informations suivantes :

13 links and 4 removable adjustment links on one side and 16 links and 8 removable adjustment links on the other.


That's mine. It also goes without saying it also needed a replacement crystal. :roll:




Which brings us back up-to-date and Manuel's latest acquisition. :)

He posted this photo of a stainless 7A38-6090 here on O&P a couple of weeks ago:



 


Tempo fa mi è arrivato questo (dichiarato non funzionante). Con la scatola originale. Ottime condizioni generali.

Pagato veramente poco.

Ritirato ora dall'orologiaio. Perfetto.

 

E' un seiko 7a38 6090, SQ100.

Piuttosto raro, pochissime le info in rete.

Molto particolare il bracciale.

Appena posso faccio foto reali.


That 'borrowed' image of a 7A38-6090 originates from a Japanese blog site: http://www.geocities.jp/tetsuyan65/zidaiya/quartz.html

Manuel's sentence: 'Piuttosto raro, pochissime le info in rete'. translates as: Rather rare, very little info on the Net.

Hopefully between us, we've now rectified that. :P


May 25, 2013 at 3:17 PM Flag Quote & Reply

bonheur
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Hi to all!

This morning I was browsing the internet in search for more information related to my watch and surprisingly I have seen a photo I have made with my Seiko posted here. That was a surprise. A nice one.

The photo was taken right after purchasing the watch in Bucharest, Romania. The watch had a "small" fault - the hour and minutes hands were not working at all. However I presented the watch as my latest acquisition on ceasornicar.ro , a wristwatches fans forum in Romania.


I should say that I do not know this watch' history but I do not think it it the same pointed in the previous photos, that has been sold on another site from Romania - it's similar but the hands are golden on that one while at my Seiko the hands are black. The glass is scratched at that one, mine's ok. The guy who sold me this watch had another 7A38 like this but in titanium, more expensive.


Alright, so if I compare the watches I saw here today I can see that my watch has been polished, the golden colour was taken out, the bracelet was replaced with a leather strap and so on. 


What I would like to ask you is: I could see with a magnifying glass that on the dial, on my watch it is written 7A38 6080 and on the back cover is 6090 - why is this? Is this a watch made from different watches?

Also, I can see that the crystal glass is a bit different from mine, is mine a replacement one?

The serial number of my watch is 816810 - I could see that has been produced in 1988 in Japan. Is this correct?


Also, I could see that almost all the other similar models have golden hands while mine has black ones. Why is that?


I am glad to say that I'm happy to see my watch posted here, I bought this watch a couple of months ago, a watchmaker repaired it and now it's working fine.

If you wish to see more photos with my watch, just let me know. Thank you in advance for your answers!



May 29, 2013 at 5:22 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Hello, Fredderik and welcome to our little forum. I'm glad that you found our topic of interest and were pleasantly surprised. :)

Please accept my apologies for my assumption about your watch being the same as advertised on Okazii.ro and Ceasuridemana.ro.


To answer your specific questions, if you look at the table(s), taken from Seiko's database, that I posted in my third post you will see that all 7A38-6090's have 6080Xxxx dial part numbers. So this is also correct in the case of your watch. This apparent discrepancy occurs throughout the Seiko 7Axx range and confuses many people, particularly newbies into thinking their watches may be 'franken'. The hour and minute hands on your watch appear to be the correct style. They may originally have been gold plated. Perhaps they became tarnished - see the example above that was listed on eBay in June 2011, subsequently purchased by 'Paul66' on RLT (a.k.a 'BlackCab' on this forum). Note that watch's hour hand is tarnishing. Perhaps somebody decided to paint them black to improve their appearance. Alternatively, maybe it was done deliberately, for improved visibility at the behest of a previous owner. Who knows ? :/

As regards the crystal, it's quite possible that yours is fitted with a 'generic' replacement glass. The domed crystal on a 7A38-6090 sits quite proud and hence is prone to getting scratched easily. The original Seiko crystal p/n 275W30HK01 is now obsolete and no longer available, but Sternkreuz make an exact equivalent, their p/n XMF275.701 which I have also used - and you can't tell the difference.

Oh - and I nearly forgot. :D You are correct. Your watch's serial number 816810 signifies that it was manufactured in January 1988.

May 29, 2013 at 5:55 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Reserved for Specification and Buyers' Guide. 




In the light of Fredderik's questions above, it appears I need to get this post written up soonish ! 

May 29, 2013 at 6:36 AM Flag Quote & Reply

bonheur
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Thanks a lot for answering all my questions. I'm glad to own a little piece of quartz history, although I'm more attracted to the mechanical watches.  :)

When I first bought it, I showed this watch to a Seiko connoisseur and he replied to me: You know you have a legendary quartz movement, right?  :D 

I didn't know at the time. Now I'm aware of it.


Sorry if I ruined the thread with my intervention, not intended.


You've made an awesome job with this site, is one of the few  wristwatch forums dedicated to a single movement.

May 29, 2013 at 7:20 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Nothing is 'ruined' by your little 'intervention', intended or not, Fredderik. Au contraire - I regard it as another welcome contribution. ;)


As for 'Connoisseurs' - well, we all have our opinions: http://forums.watchuseek.com/f21/connoisseur-not-connoisseur-549462.html :lol:


Perhaps in time, we'll convert you from mechanical watches to being a connoisseur of the World's First and Best quartz chronograph. 

May 29, 2013 at 7:29 AM Flag Quote & Reply

bonheur
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Below you can see another Seiko 7A38-6090 in quite poor condition but it has a fair price:

http://ceasuridemana.ro/ceas-barbatesc-seiko_a150728.html

Converted in Euro the price would be somewhere around 50 Euros.


June 3, 2013 at 3:11 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Thanks for posting the link Fredderik, but possibly not the best example (even for 'only' 50 Euros) ....

It's missing the sweep second hand; the hour hand has also been bent (and 'straightened'), and fitted with a non-original bracelet. 




Just remember, I only paid 30.50 Euros for mine. I'm not saying you're guaranteed of finding one at a cheaper price, but this model is relatively common on eBay Germany; there are certainly better examples of this version of 7A38-6090 out there, waiting to be found.


June 3, 2013 at 9:05 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The gunmetal two-tone variant is beautiful.


According to you, Paul, logo SQ (in this version) means, Seiko Quartz or Superior Quality?

June 4, 2013 at 1:11 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Manuel. Actually I think it's the least attractive. :(

It's quite hard to capture it's true colour and texture, but the dial looks sort of an glossy oily plastic (rather than painted).

The 'waffle' finish dial in the stainless and stainless / gold two tone is much nicer, IMHO.

My favourite version is the stainless / gold two-tone. :P


As far as I know 'SQ' has always stood for Seiko Quartz. In the case of 7A38's it can also be interpreted as 'superior quality'. ;)

June 4, 2013 at 3:16 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Here's a really battered example of the stainless / gunmetal coated 7A38-6090 currently listed on eBay. Thanks to James for the link.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290948964566





seiko cuarzo el reloj funciona pero caja y cristal rayado para piezas.


I suspect it wouldn't be worth 49 Euros to anybody, even the desperate / most experienced tinkerer - for spares or anything else. 


July 21, 2013 at 7:00 AM Flag Quote & Reply

ric

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Well there's one on ebay if you're interested.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251311091660             

I like how they write: Seems to work good 

There's confidence for you ?

July 28, 2013 at 2:21 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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In case you'd failed to notice, that's the same 7A38-6090 which Fredderik (Bonheur) wrote about above, in his post dated 29th May. 

July 28, 2013 at 2:46 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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For the record, the gunmetal two-tone 7A38-6090 that had been offered on ceasuridemana.ro was listed on eBay earlier this week:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261284867042



That's the same 7A38-6090 I wrote about (above) in response to Fredderik's post on 3rd June:

It's missing the sweep second hand; the hour hand has also been bent (and 'straightened'), and fitted with a non-original bracelet.

It still managed to attract a hapless bidder at the $123 opening bid price !  

September 15, 2013 at 10:18 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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I must admit, I was more than a bit dubious about that auction result when I posted it, particularly given the poor condition of the watch.

The would-be seller has since re-listed it (on an almost daily basis):


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261290766771     

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251343465050

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251344144722

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261293049657

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251345711848

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251346430377


Edit: Re-listed again @ $123 for 7 days:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251347460643


September 22, 2013 at 4:51 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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While our Romanian friend is busily re-listing his gunmetal two-tone 'beater' (and that's being polite) over and over on a daily basis ....

Something rather more interesting popped up on eBay today. :)


Further up the thread, on May 25th, I wrote:


However, before I go any further, I should point out there is, theoretically, another even rarer 4th version of the 7A38-6090 - SAA134J.

I say 'even rarer' because up until now, I still haven't seen ever one myself. But according to Seiko Oceania's database, it does exist.

The 7A38-6090 SAA134J variant uses the same off-white 'waffle' dial p/n 7A386080XS24 as the stainless two-tone SAA116J, but ....

The case material finish is shown as: THC.MGP (Top Hard Coated - Middle Gold Plated) and the bracelet is a different p/n - S1002D.

So it's presumably a gunmetal / gold two-tone with a creamy-white dial. Sounds a little odd. Maybe Seiko never actually produced it. :/


Check this out, listed earlier today by French seller martial_auvergne, who regularly deals in Seiko 7Axx's:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321214668048


The listing is for two 7A38's - a 7A38-6090 and a stainless 7A38-7020. I've cropped these images out of the seller's photos:




Note his description of the 7A38-6090 states:

-Cadran blanc 7A38-6090 verre neuf bracelet remplacé. Date en français et Anglais. Le boitier a été poli, à l'origine il été doré.


The last sentence translates as:

The case has been polished; originally it was gold plated.

Its original two-tone bracelet has been replaced with a leather strap.

So what we're looking at is what's left of / a not very original example of a 7A38-6090 SAA134J. But at least they do exist. ;)


September 23, 2013 at 9:51 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Last Saturday, 30th November, a two-tone stainless and gold 7A38-6090 SAA116J was listed on eBay by a UK seller:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310809908973

seiko chronograph



HI YOU ARE BIDDING ON A MANS SEIKO CHRONOGRAPH SQ100, IN GOOD USED CONDITION, THERE IS SOME WEAR (CONSISTANT WITH AGE) AND GLASS HAS A COUPLE OF HAIRLINE SCRATCHES, VERY HARD TO PICK UP WITHOUT A MAGNIFYING GLASS. ALL THE DIALS WORK BUT THE SECOND HAND HAS JUST STOPPED WORKING, MIGHT JUST NEED A NEW BATTERY ? CLEAN. BUT STILL KEEPS GOOD TIME, NUMBERS ON BACK ARE 7A38-6090 A4 &822245. BOXED BUT NO PAPERWORK

...........................just replaced the battery and min/hand seems to be working although i do not realy understand how a chronometer works, i think the problem is getting the correct battery fitted.


The seller made a revision to the description yesterday evening around 9:20pm (presumably the part in lower case) ....

Then ended the listing in the early hours of this morning: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310809908973



From memory, a US based forum member was looking for one of these - for use as a dial / movement donor for his own watch.*

My apologies for not remembering who you were, but I wouldn't have recommended this particular example (to anybody) anyway.

Apart from the would-be seller's somewhat ponderous ill-informed description, the sub-dials appear to be discoloured in his photos -

(I've only bothered posting 5 of the 10 included in the listing) - indicating either possible previous battery leakage or moisture ingress.


*Belated Edit: it was forum member KWJCDon who wrote the comment below on his profile on 14th July (hence my memory lapse):

Live in Key West. I have a gold 7a38-6090 which needs new guts inside. I am hoping to secure a similar one to make one out of two.


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