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Seiko7A38 at October 16, 2016 at 8:43 AM

When I first spotted this listing for a job lot of 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 and (non-issued ?) 7T27-7A20 by US eBay seller pulahead, I mistakenly assumed it was a re-listing of his previous auction from September (see higher up this page). But it's not. Although the two listings look very similar, these are two different watches - in worse condition than his previous pairing (which sold for $911). I thought he was fortunate to get that for them. So he's pushing his luck with this pair - with a ludicrous Buy-it-Now price of $1250


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291912647720



Indeed, right up until the final minute, it looked as if he wasn't even going to get a bid on it @ $950, but then someone caved in ....


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291912647720

October 23, 2016 at 4:25 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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A couple of belated auction results (or should I correctly say one result) for recent UK eBay listings for 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's documented on the previous page ....


The second example offered by seller watchkandee sold on Monday for £685 after 12 bids.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/191995640111



The other one had an indeterminate outcome as the seller withdrew it (as NLA) - 24 hours before the auction was due to end. :/


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/182320871425



Normally, in such circumstances, it's fairly safe to assume that the seller accepted an offer outside eBay (via the back door).

So out of curiosity, I messaged them asking how much it had sold for. The naivety of their reply made me chuckle to myself. 

The watch did not sell. I ended the auction early as not many bids. I will relist it in a week or two.

They've obviously never watched the last 10 minutes of a 7A28 RAF Gen. 1 eBay auction. :roll:


October 27, 2016 at 8:38 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at October 20, 2016 at 7:18 AM

Here's a couple more 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's listed on eBay by UK sellers in the last 24 hours ....


The first one is fitted with a leather strap, rather than the customary NATO ....


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/252593236510


That eBay auction for the 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 fitted with a leather strap ended about 10 minutes ago, selling for £625 after 5 bids.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/252593236510


October 29, 2016 at 7:55 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at October 22, 2016 at 7:45 AM

I just noticed that there's another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen 1. which has been listed on Yahoo Japan auctions within the last 24 hours or so - although it isn't flagged as 'New' any longer. It's a 2+ day listing, with a typically over-optimistic Buy-it-Now price of 130,000 Yen (which equates to approx. $1252.50 USD / £1024 GBP).



http://page2.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/b232736675



Google translates the Japanese seller's description as follows:


SEIKO British Army Military Chrono GEN1 7A28 United Kingdom 

Thank you for seeing the commodity.

■ Product state 

There is a fine crack, but those of the beautiful state in 7A28-7120. 

Behavior is good (is quartz.) Is already adjusted prior to sale. 

Belt dirt and etc. Sure. So it can be replaced.

After easily was the NATO type, it is recommended to be used interchangeably with your favorite belt.

■ Product Description 

Will be the first generation model that has been adopted in the British Air Force (RAF) 

Is a real military watch the fixed spring bar made by Seiko to British spec. 

★ Payment method Sumitomo Trust and SBI Bank 

★ Shipping is Yupack cash on delivery, ships. 

★ I ask by a no objection no return. 

★ After the end of the auction, please contact us, such as shipping address within 24 hours.


There are half a dozen more clear photos embedded in the description, showing the usual small nicks around the bezel ....

I just can't be bothered to upload them. See for yourself. :P



The 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 that was listed on Yahoo Japan last month with a 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of 130,000 Yen sold yesterday, for a somewhat reduced 99,500 Yen (equivalent to $932.65 USD / £740.30 GBP).


http://page2.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/b232736675


November 12, 2016 at 10:03 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Here's a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 that was listed by UK eBay seller britishmilitarysurplus on Friday of last week, with an opening bid of £200, which I'd previously overlooked. Still two days of the 5-day auction left to run though.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/302135442270


British Military Surplus

Pilot Watch Seiko Generation 1 

Genuine Issue British Military Watch 

Stamped 1988 

Seiko Generation 1 

Excellent condition - appears to be in good working order.

May need a Service Due to Age of Watch 

Comes with New Strap

This item has not been tested


November 14, 2016 at 4:16 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The above eBay auction for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 just ended a couple of minutes ago, selling for £635 after 17 bids.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/302135442270


November 16, 2016 at 7:24 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I was too busy at work last week to go shopping for Black Friday bargains, let alone even run all my regular searches on eBay. So I missed this latest listing for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 that was uploaded on Friday, by a new (to me) UK eBay military surplus seller, with an opening bid price of £300. Oddly, it's only a 3-day listing, which at the time of writing, now has just 5 hours or so to run.

But knowing the prices these things usually sell for, I doubt it will turn out to be a bargain for anybody. :/


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/182365936420


November 28, 2016 at 4:41 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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As I'd half-expected, that 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 didn't turn out to be any kind of bargain deal, even on Cyber Monday. :roll:

The eBay auction ended a few moments ago, selling for £625 after 9 bids (3 of which were by a Zero-feedback bidder).


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/182365936420


November 28, 2016 at 10:02 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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But apparently bargain-priced 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's can still sometimes be found - if you're lucky and quick ! :o

This post appeared in a thread on SCWF, middle of last week.




The poster didn't say when he bought it. I assumed it might have been recently, but the few quick searches on ended listings I ran on eBay.com.au didn't bring up any matching results. eBay history is flakey at best - and anything over 90 days, forget it. :roll:


November 28, 2016 at 10:22 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Big in Japan too, it seems - these watches are clearly becoming increasingly popular with Japanese collectors.

Another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 appeared on Yahoo Japan auctions at the weekend, listed by a 'Store' seller.

The opening bid price was only 1 Yen, but by this morning, the bidding had already climbed to 11,000 Yen.



http://page19.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/x467111550



Google translates the Japanese seller's formatted description as follows:


November 28, 2016 at 10:43 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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This listing for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, by a UK eBay seller appeared last night. No takers so far at the opening bid price of £250. The initial reticence may be due to the watch having been 'warmed over' at some point, but regardless, I'm sure it will still sell.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/282273992192


I am selling my Gen1 pilots watch which I have worn and treasured for more than ten years. It is not in mint condition but looks good and keeps perfect time. As I am almost 80 it is time it moved on to someone who will appreciate its value and history ( Gulf ). It has been involved in an incident involving heat, resulting in the dial ring becoming slightly detached by about 1mm at the 1 and 7 hour marks. (see pictures). This does not affect the time keeping and adds a bit of authenticity to a very collectable watch. There are some small scratches on the crystal. The chrono operation requires servicing as is a bit erratic. The watch strap is a simple grey nylon type which I find suits the watch style. Any questions please contact me.


Of the half dozen images the seller has uploaded, this photo probably shows the distortion of the dial ring best (in it's worst light).

It's also 'square' between the 20 and 25 minute marks and possibly also between 50 and 55 - see screen print of post below.




I'd question the seller's statement that 'This does not affect the time keeping'. The tips of the minute and chrono' sweep second hands must come perilously close to the distorted sections of the dial ring. As far as 'adds a bit of authenticity', the distortion of the dial ring is nothing to do with the effects of temperatures experienced during the Gulf war. More likely the result of being left too long on top of a radiator, in an effort to overcome 'old sticky oil' syndrome. Not the first time I've come across this (online).


See this thread: http://www.seiko7a38.com/apps/forums/topics/show/8934813  3 W's - a Warning about Warming and Warpage


Indeed, seeing this example reminded me of a thread (specific to a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1) on the RLT forum a few years back:


http://www.thewatchforum.co.uk/index.php?/topic/66398-7a28-seiko-gen-1-raf




Without reading all the way through that thread again, IIRC, erstwhile UK 7Axx collector Dave Swan sorted out that watch for the OP and kindly donated a replacement dial ring. If you're considering bidding on it (with the intention of putting it right), there's no way the original plastic dial ring can be restored to it's original shape. You're going to need a Seiko p/n 84310763 dial ring - a part common to the 7A38-7010. They have come up on eBay (as NOS spares) within the last 12 months, but you're talking 'rare as Hens Teeth'.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171739787124



November 30, 2016 at 5:47 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Whereas I try to keep this thread updated with auction selling prices on a best efforts basis, I probably miss the odd eBay listing.

So every now and then, I run a search on ended listings and occasionally spot one I hadn't seen when it was (very briefly) live.

Like this one which ended in October, selling for £880 as a Buy-it-Now, which I just came across.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/152278042111




In the above summary, eBay shows the date as being 23rd October, which as you'll see presently is wrong - it was actually the 13th. 

But it was the seller's unusal (Welsh) eBay ID 2cvwyllys that got me thinking  - I knew I'd seen it before (and in this thread too). 

The answer was in the seller's description:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/152278042111


 

Seiko Generation 1 Royal Navy and Royal Air Force Pilots Chronograph. 

Used but in VERY GOOD condition as the photos will show. All the buttons spring fluidly and dials work as they should. Comes with the standard Black NATO Strap. 

The date is 1984 which will make it one of the very first issues. 

I am an airline Captain and bought this watch last year. I paid top price for it and it came with a new battery and Mineral Glass as seen in the receipt. I wore it for a little while but was actually missing the date function as I have to write the date so much in all the paperwork in my job. So, as I am not using it, I prefer to sell it on. I had the screen replaced earlier this year and I listed it on eBay. I was made aware by some potential buyers that the screen had been replaced without the rubber O ring. I withdrew the sale as it was not my intention to sell the watch in anything other than the best condition possible. I have since had another new mineral glass fitted with a new rubber O ring and a new battery with a receipt to prove. I also have a spare sapphire glass screen included in the sale.


If those couple of sentences I've embolded don't strike a chord, go back to page 20 of this thread and May this year ....

Where this watch was originally listed with a Buy-it-Now price of £895, but had been fitted with a glued-in sapphire crystal.

It was discussed at some length and the seller subsequently decided to withdraw it from sale.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/152081126099



Not that I need to make any excuses :P .... the reason I failed to spot the seller's re-listing 5 month later ? :|


http://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=152278042111




Simply because it was live for less than 10 minutes, before someone hit the Buy-it-Now button ! ;)


November 30, 2016 at 8:10 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at November 28, 2016 at 10:43 AM

Big in Japan too, it seems - these watches are clearly becoming increasingly popular with Japanese collectors.

Another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 appeared on Yahoo Japan auctions at the weekend, listed by a 'Store' seller.

The opening bid price was only 1 Yen, but by this morning, the bidding had already climbed to 11,000 Yen.



http://page19.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/x467111550


Like I said - 'Big in Japan'. :roll: That most recent Yahoo Japan auction for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 ended a few moments ago.

The auction was originally scheduled to finish @ 22:49 local time (13:49 UK time), but was automatically extended, many times (I lost count, while having lunch) by a total of 50 minutes, due to several late bids placed. :o It finally sold for 86,000 Yen + 8% Japanese Sales Tax, after 74 bids, making a total of 92,880 Yen - equivalent to approx. $818.30 USD / £643 GBP.


http://page19.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/x467111550



December 4, 2016 at 9:39 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at November 30, 2016 at 5:47 AM

This listing for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, by a UK eBay seller appeared last night. No takers so far at the opening bid price of £250. The initial reticence may be due to the watch having been 'warmed over' at some point, but regardless, I'm sure it will still sell.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/282273992192


That badly warped dial ring certainly seemed to deter bidders. Last time I looked at the listing, around 8:00pm yesterday evening, when eBay's 'Your watched item is ending soon' notification arrived in my email inbox, there still hadn't been any bids placed. Somebody obviously reacted to it and placed a bid soon afterwards. Three more bidders had a punt at it in the latter stages, but it still only made a comparatively low final selling price of £286 after 4 bids.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/282273992192


December 5, 2016 at 12:39 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Meanwhile, here's another 3-day listing for a rather grubby looking 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, offered by UK eBay military surplus seller soldierselect. Like his previous listing, the opening bid price is £300; the difference with this listing being the bold print at the bottom of the description, which may go some way to explaining the current lack of bids with only 4 hours of the auction left to run.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172429930609


December 5, 2016 at 1:12 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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That one didn't do particularly well either. Sold this morning for £361 after only 3 bids - by three snipers at exactly the same time


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172429930609


December 5, 2016 at 2:07 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seems I missed the sale of another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 on eBay last week. It was a listed as a 'project watch' by a US seller.

I picked it up by running a worldwide search on ended listings on 'Seiko 7A28' on eBay.com. Something I do only occasionally.




However, given the (UK) time the listing ended, in the early hours of the morning, I don't need to make any excuses. 


Here's the original listing: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/252672364624


Gen 1 Seiko. Well used military watch. Currently not running. 

This has been a project watch of mine but I don't have the right pusher so I'm selling it.

The correct replacement crystal will be included with the watch. 

It is sold as, in non-running condition as a parts or project watch.

If you check the seller's photos you'll see that the watch was actually missing it's crown (and stem), rather than a pusher. 

Note that although eBay deceptively shows the ended listing as having sold for $475, in the eBay.com summary it shows 'Best offer accepted'. I ran a search using Goofbid's eBay Best Offer History tool, hoping to find out what it actually sold for, but although 14 results came up for seller dive-timer, unfortunately this wasn't among them. Happens sometimes. :/


December 13, 2016 at 8:35 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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At the risk of almost repeating myself (I make no apologies for the slightly edited copy and paste, you'll see why in a moment) ....

Meanwhile, here's another 3-day listing for a slightly cleaner looking 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, offered by UK eBay military surplus seller soldierselect. Like his previous listing, the opening bid price is £300; the difference similarity with this listing being the bold print at the bottom of the description, which may go some way to explaining the current lack of bids with 1 day of the auction left to run.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172446303833

Although the seller has uploaded a new set of photos, he's re-used a copy and paste of the description from his previous listing. 

If you check the photos (which I can't be bothered to upload), you'll see that it in fact this example is a 1988 issue # - 7863 / 88. 


December 17, 2016 at 8:15 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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That third eBay auction by UK military surplus seller soldierselect ended about 10 minutes ago, selling for £525.15 after 6 bids.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172446303833

December 18, 2016 at 8:11 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Meanwhile, overnight, this 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 was listed by a US eBay seller, with an optimistic opening bid price of $750 ! 

Why the seller has bothered to include United Kingdom among the 'Posts to' countries is completely beyond me. :roll: Because he's effectively excluded bidders from UK (or at least those with any common sense) by what he's written in the second part of his description. Even assuming a UK bidder were to win the auction for the opening bid price, thanks to his intransigence, they'd be looking at Customs charges (20% VAT + ParcelFarce Priority clearance) of nearly £140 on top ! :o


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/322362763242


Very good condition. The chronograph functions correctly and the pushers have a crisp snap when pressed. I do not know it's service history. The watch comes with a new Maratac grey zulu strap. There are some minor marks on the crystal. The bezel has some small dings.


Please ask all questions before bidding as returns are not allowed. I've made all reasonable attempts to accurately describe this watch. Please don't make offers outside of eBay to buy my watches. Payment is due within 72 hours after the end of the auction. Shipping will occur within two business days after payment is received. Customs duties and tariffs are not included in the price of the watch, as they are the buyer’s responsibility. Please do not ask me to falsify the customs documents (i.e. list the item as a “gift”), as this is a crime (perjury) in the USA.


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