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Of course there are other places to source military watches, besides eBay - one of them being MOD surplus auctions.

Forum member Ewan recently purchased a couple of 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's from such an online auction.

Here's a couple of his photos of them, that he posted elsewhere:



I missed seeing the auction by Witham Specialist Vehicles Ltd., which ended on March 15th, but Ewan kindly provided a link:


http://www.i-bidder.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/timed/witham/catalogue-id-witham10031




Apart from the eight 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's, the auction also included a number of other lots for 7T27 Gen 2's and CWC G10's.


Note that 26% (20% VAT and 6% commission) needs to be added to the hammer prices shown above.



March 20, 2017 at 7:33 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at January 31, 2017 at 6:11 AM

Seiko7A38 at September 20, 2016 at 8:23 AM

What made me notice that long running YJ listing for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 was M.I.A. was the appearance of another ....

A new listing - for one day only. Quite distinctive, being fitted with a tan leather strap, instead of the customary NATO.



http://page17.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/v472411171



That other 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 fitted with a leather strap, which was first listed on Yahoo Japan auctions, back in September last year, with a preposterous 'pie-in-the-sky' asking price of 216,990 Yen .... is still being re-listed by the Japanese seller. :roll:


http://page17.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/v472411171



Well, it appears that all and any 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 will sell eventually, regardless of condition and asking price. 

I must admit that I'd got fed up of watching that particular mint example being re-listed ad nauseam since last September. 

It was only today, when I spotted another 7A28 Gen. 1 listed on Yahoo Japan auctions that I noticed it had gone A.W.O.L. 


Seems it finally sold for the ¥ 216,990 Yen asking price at the end of February. That's equivalent to $1925.75 USD£1546.75 GBP at today's exchange rates ! :o That's gotta be some kind of record selling price for a Gen. 1 (so far). Looking at the high feedback number of the encrypted bidder ID, I'd suspect it was purchased by an international buyer using one of the proxy bidding services.


http://page17.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/v472411171



March 21, 2017 at 8:25 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Here's that 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 which was listed on Yahoo Japan auctions earlier today. Unlike the previous 'minter', this is just an average worn condition example, a 'head only' with the usual nicks and bent spring bar, so the 190,000 Yen opening bid price is probably 'just a tad' optimistic. :roll:




http://page9.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k247571061



Google translates the Japanese seller's description as follows:


Seiko SEIKO's British Army RAF chronograph watch.

Case diameter 37 mm, belt width is 20 mm width.

There are threads, scratches etc. with cases over the years, but the case is in good condition.

Overhauled about two years ago.

If I let it run for 1 day, the error was in seconds in flat place. Chronograph operation is also normal.

There are no other accessories.

There are scratch discoloration due to many years. It is based on amateur judgment.

Please offer a bid after understanding. I need your help by a no claim and a no return.

Please inquire about scratches and dirt from images.

Also, please be aware that there may be small scratches, dirt, rust, etc. that are difficult to judge with images.

As mentioned above, please offer a bid after understanding with secondhand goods.

Although there are persons who claim complaints although they are described as out of warranty, we do not set the price as guaranteed operation. Such a person please do not bid.


March 21, 2017 at 8:38 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Here's another definitely not rare 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 listed by a UK eBay seller a couple of days ago. Being sold with a flat battery (obviously too lazy to get it replaced); without a strap and suffering from the fairly common malaise of badly bent fixed bars.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162442535168


Seiko military watch generation 1 

Nsn number 6645-99-7683056 

In good condition was brought 4 years ago at the war and peace show and every thing worked perfectly, battery is now flat. My intention was to restore this now very rare watch but it was put in a draw and forgotten about for the last couple of years, the watch has some scratches around the bezel but nothing major and on the back of watch, it does not have a strap. 

No messers. I have 100% feedback.

These don't come up often now, grab a bit of history.


Belated Edit:

On 28-Mar-17 at 07:11:35 BST, seller added the following information:

To answer a question that keeps coming up, I cannot and will not give anyone a "cast iron, absolute guarantee, about anything on this watch other then its a genuine item and worked 4 years ago please if this a problem please don't bid if you have already placed a bid and don't like this retract your bid. Sorry to all genuine bidders.


March 25, 2017 at 9:48 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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And another neglected 'head only' 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 that's seen better days (and allegedly plenty of action), listed yesterday lunchtime as 'Spares or Repairs' by another UK eBay seller.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201865113767


Seiko Generation # 1 Military issue 1989 

Quite scuffed up , seen plenty of action , complete , but doesn't work anymore , available for spares or repair. 

Not much more to say , however if you do have any questions give me a call. Steve - 07843033259.


March 25, 2017 at 10:22 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Here's another average condition 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 that was listed on Yahoo Japan auctions yesterday with a 'prompt decision price' (meaning Buy-it-Now) of 155,000 Yen. The seller has embedded another 5 good quality photos in the listing description.



http://page3.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/c594261553



Google translates the Japanese seller's formatted description as follows (unfortunately un-wrapping the text in places):


Seiko ★ SEIKO UK Ministry of Defense adopted RAF military GEN.1 chronograph ★ 7A28


March 28, 2017 at 8:48 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Here are the results for the two most recent UK eBay listings for 7A28-7120 RAF Gen 1's:


The auction for the 'head only', being sold with a flat battery, but which according to the seller worked 4 years ago, ended late yesterday evening, selling for £726 after 26 bids. The seller should count himself fortunate there were no bid retractions.

(See his amendment to the description dated 28th March, which I belatedly added to my original post). 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162442535168


The auction for the other 'Spares or Repair' non-working 'head only' ended a few moments ago, selling for £416.61 after 17 bids.

(Bidding jumped from £206 in the last 5 seconds as 3 snipe bids came in - the auction was won by Simon, 'Sir Alan' of this forum).


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201865113767


Clearly these things sell themselves, regardless of condition; the seller's poor attitude or obvious laziness. :roll:


March 31, 2017 at 7:30 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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At the time of writing, both those 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's which were listed on Yahoo Japan auctions in the latter part of  March, with rather fanciful Buy-it-Now / opening bid prices, remain unsold. Both have since been re-listed retaining the same YJ item numbers.


There's now a third 7A28-7120 on Yahoo Japan, which was listed earlier today as a 7-day auction with a 1000 Yen opening bid.




http://page18.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/w174176437



Google translates the relevant section of the Japanese seller's description as follows:


Those who are new are sorry to trouble you, but please contact us from the question column. If there is nothing, I am sorry but I will delete it so please do not hesitate to acknowledge it. Production in 1986 , model number: 7A28-7120 , diameter : 37 mm ( excluding crown) made of stainless steel, belt width: 20 mm . Dial: I think that it is the original and beautiful one. The color is black. Glass: No scratches. Case: I think there are small scratches, but they are beautiful people. Machine: cal.7A28 quartz, operation verified settled. Belt, buckle: External goods. I think that there is a difference in degree of view by individuals, so please refrain from nervous people. Because it is an old thing, I hope in the present condition. Since there is also an oversight here, I hope in a junk treatment to the last. Moreover, please understand that I am allowed to cancel a bid when I think that it is inappropriate by our judgment such as many who have a bid on minus evaluation.


It continues with details of the domestic Japanese shipping charges and more of the customary caveats ....


April 2, 2017 at 10:51 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Here's a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 that was listed yesterday lunchtime by a German eBay seller, with a Buy-it-Now price of 900 Euros.

I hadn't previously bothered to look too closely at the eBay seller's photos, but a message from a forum member prompted me to.

This watch has been horribly over-polished - even the case-back, in a misguided effort to remove the usual dings and scratches.

Virtually all traces of the original matt silver anodized finish have been obliterated - apart from the undersides of the lugs.

So best avoided, for that reason. :(


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/152496089596


I don't normally bother uploading the listing photos, but here's just a couple, showing the degree and extent of polishing:




Hallo, verkaufe hier meine sehr gut erhaltene Seiko. Die Uhr befindet sich in einem sehr guten Zustand. Ich denke das die Fotos den Zustand gut darstellen. Bei Bedarf sende ich weitere Detailfotos zu. Vor etwa 2 Jahren wurde das Glas sowie die Dichtungen erneuert. Das Gehäuse wurde ebenfalls gereinigt und poliert. Technische Funktionen sind alle einwandfrei.


April 4, 2017 at 6:00 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Here's a tidy looking example of a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 listed yesterday evening by a UK eBay seller.

Presumably e3wan is the same person as forum member Ewand - see my post at the top of this page. ;)


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/262925123029


I'm offering this freshly serviced Seiko 7a28-7120 aka RAF "Gen 1" military watch. The 7a28 was the world's first analog quartz chronograph, and Seiko went to a lot of trouble to build a high-calibre movement that is regarded as one of, if not the, best quartz movements ever.

This family of watches was issued by the RAF from October 1984 until November 1990. This watch is number 10,770 of 11,307 pieces issued, and its Seiko serial number dates it to June 1990 (so it's quite a late one, then).

It's 37mm wide (excluding crown and pushers) and wearing a new grey NATO strap (as per RAF standard, it has fixed bars rather than springers).

It's just had a full strip & service from a well-known Seiko 7a** and 6139 specialist, who described the dial, hands and movement as "10/10". It's got a new Sternkreuz crystal and case back gasket, as well as a thorough clean and rebuild.

As you can see from the photos, the case has some signs of wear (not surprising, given the life such watches could be expected to have), though any marks to the case are hardly visible to the naked eye. The dial & hands are the best I've ever seen on such a watch - I hesitate to say "perfect", but it's very close to perfect. Look at the macros of the movement taken during the service.

The case back has a couple of scratches which may have been from a previous attempt to get the back off and there's a little wear from where the NATO strap would have rubbed, but the engravings are clear and crisp.

The watch itself wears nicely on the wrist, and everything works perfectly. If you haven't seen or used a 7a*8 watch, the 1/20th second ticks of the chrono seconds hand will make you laugh out loud, and it's such a lovely thing with a real history.

For more info on the RAF issued reference particularly, see Worn & Wound, or for the 7a28 in general (including further info on the military watches), check out the collector's guide on The Springbar. There's an 11-year old piece on Seiko military watches in general on Ned Frederick's site.

NOTE: Don't send me one line messages asking "what your best price". This auction will run until the end or until someone makes me an offer that will be good enough to end it. I'm not going to tell you now what that price will be, so sharpen your pencil if you'd like to be wearing this soon.


April 6, 2017 at 10:27 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I must admit I hadn't been watching Ewan's eBay listing for his 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 that closely, but I did notice that it had briefly been bid to £1000, before he ended the listing early, this lunchtime - allegedly because .....


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/262925123029



Very careless or clumsy of you Ewan ! :lol:


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I seems I missed another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 listed by a UK eBay seller in the first week of April (prior to Ewan's).  :roll:

So I'm adding it here as a belated edit to this post, to put it into something close to chronological order and as a comparison.

Best I can tell, it was listed on 2nd April, also with a Buy-it-Now Price of £895 and sold the following day against a Best Offer.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/352020657717


This is the rare generation 1 Seiko RAF issued chronograph watch, one of only 11,307 ever produced. Gorgeous satin finished case with fixed strap bars, charcoal dial with prometheum hour markers. Perfect mineral glass crystal with no chips or scratches. This Gen 1 is date marked for 1984, the first year of production of this RAF issue Chronograph watch.

This one has a few small issues; There are tool slip marks on case back and there is one or two small dings to case (not surprising, given the wearer's day job!) as seen in photos, the chrono second hand and the minute counter hand are very slightly mis-aligned when reset at zero. There is a small mark on dial near 2 o'clock marker, but hardly noticeable with naked eye - I'm extra fussy about my watches and trying to describe this one as honestly as I can. It is keeping excellent time. Comes with original RAF brown combo nato strap.

Questions welcome 

Excellent review of MOD Gen 1 & 2 series here:

http://home.earthlink.net/~nederick/SeikoChronoRevuVulcF.htm


It didn't sell for quite the full £895 asking price (shown above), but against a Best Offer of £875 - as shown by the Offer History.



Amusing to note that the successful buyer r***d (198) initially started off by making a comparatively 'lowball' offer of £700. 


April 7, 2017 at 1:45 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at April 2, 2017 at 10:51 AM

At the time of writing, both those 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's which were listed on Yahoo Japan auctions in the latter part of  March, with rather fanciful Buy-it-Now / opening bid prices, remain unsold. Both have since been re-listed retaining the same YJ item numbers.


There's now a third 7A28-7120 on Yahoo Japan, which was listed earlier today as a 7-day auction with a 1000 Yen opening bid.




http://page18.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/w174176437



That most recent Yahoo Japan auction for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 ended a few moments ago. It was originally scheduled to end at Midnight (local Japan time), but the finishing time was automatically extended by 10 minutes, due to late bids placed.

It sold for ¥116,000 Yen (equivalent to approx. $1044.25 USD / £843.95 GBP) after 32 bids.


http://page18.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/w174176437



As for the two earlier over-optimistically priced listings ? :| They're still there - still being re-listed (retaining the same item numbers).




Though I note the former has since reduced his opening bid price from 190,000 Yen to 180,000 Yen. Keep going .... :lol:


April 9, 2017 at 11:10 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Bloody typical, innit ? :mad: I write something like the above; the YJ listing ends and the Japanese seller doesn't bother to re-list it ! :roll:


http://page9.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k247571061




Still, as this thread is constantly proving, there will always be another one along to take its place ....


April 10, 2017 at 4:09 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Indeed, this next 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 listed on Yahoo Japan earlier today is amusingly a case of Déjà Vu.



http://page15.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/t510968207



Google translates the Japanese seller's title and description as follows:


Seiko RAF Gen 1 chronograph 7 A 28 military 7A28 - 7120 pilot serial number 007 British Air Force

It is a precious Gen 1 pilot watch. Although Gen 2 has many numbers, Gen 1 is small. It was provided by Royal AirForce.

The serial number is 007, after James Bond. I bought it in 2013 at the auction of UK.

Both the glass and the main body have scratches accompanying use, but they are left as it is. It is operating normally.

I need your help by a no claim no return.


I don't normally bother uploading case-back photos, but here's the YJ seller's photo, showing issue # 0007 / 84



And here's where we've seen this same watch before, back in late August 2013 on page 2 of this thread ....


April 10, 2017 at 4:16 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at August 29, 2013 at 7:35 AM

Another, without 7A28-7120 (or RAF) in the title / description, but with the magic 'Military' word.   God this is getting boring. 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281158719610


FOR SALE IS THIS GENUINE MILITARY SEIKO GEN 1 CHRONOGRAPH WATCH IN VERY GOOD CONDITION, NEW BATTERY FITTED AND NEW STRAP, ALL THE FUNCTIONS WORK AS THEY SHOULD, ANY QUESTIONS ASK BEFORE YOU BID. NOTE THE WATCH NO IS.0007/84




However, with a serial # of 0007 / 84 (the first year of issue, if I'm not mistaken) - I doubt that one will hang around for very long. ;)



Here's a copy and paste of my follow-up post, from further down page 2 (originally posted on September 7, 2013 at 7:48 AM):


However, with a serial # of 0007 / 84 (the first year of issue, if I'm not mistaken) - I doubt that one will hang around for very long. ;)


It seems I was wrong about that part. Over the last 9 days, the seller received (and declined) 8 offers, the highest of which, according to Goofbid's Best Offer tool was £480. But the seller stuck by their guns, and it finally sold in the early hours of this morning for £550:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281158719610

April 10, 2017 at 4:33 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Here's another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 listed a couple of days ago by US eBay seller dive-timer. If the eBay user ID sounds familiar (as it did to me), it's because he's previously sold a couple of other examples earlier this year.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/252858490215


Great Gen 1 Seiko. British military issued. Very nice condition. Blue-gray strap included with the watch.

Watch is currently running, keeping time and has a fresh battery (but I have not had it serviced).


April 13, 2017 at 6:47 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at April 10, 2017 at 4:16 AM

Indeed, this next 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 listed on Yahoo Japan earlier today is amusingly a case of Déjà Vu.



http://page15.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/t510968207



Surprisingly, given the added attraction of the (0)'007' (and first year) issue number, that 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 failed to attract a buyer, even at the opening bid price of 120,000 Yen. It was re-listed earlier today (as usual, retaining the same YJ item number), with the opening bid price reduced to 100,000 Yen.



April 16, 2017 at 10:47 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Correction - there are now three 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's offered for sale on Yahoo Japan. The two previous re-listings, which currently remain unsold or have no bids, were joined by a third, earlier today, with an opening bid price of 130,000 Yen.



http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/d227192306



Google translates the Japanese seller's description as follows:


Seiko SEIKO's British Army RAF chronograph watch.

Case diameter 37 mm, belt width is 20 mm width.

There are threads, scratches etc. with cases over the years, but the case is in good condition.

Overhauled about two years ago. If I let it run for 1 day, the error was in seconds in flat place.

Chronograph operation is also normal.

There are no other accessories.

There are scratch discoloration due to many years. It is based on amateur judgment.

Please offer a bid after understanding. I need your help by a no claim and a no return.

Please inquire about scratches and dirt from images.

Also, please be aware that there may be small scratches, dirt, rust, etc. that are difficult to judge with images.

As mentioned above, please offer a bid after understanding with secondhand goods.

Although there are persons who claim complaints although they are described as out of warranty, we do not set the price as guaranteed operation. Such a person please do not bid.


April 17, 2017 at 2:15 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Checking my eBay watching page, I see the 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 listed by US eBay seller dive-timer 10 days ago, sold late yesterday evening. However, it didn't sell for the full $1075 Buy-it-Now asking price, as deceptively shown in the eBay summary.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/252858490215


..... but for a best offer of $975, as shown in the purchase history: http://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/ViewBids&item=252858490215


Bearing in mind there was quite a lot of interest in this listing - it received 1185 views and had over 60 watchers at one point, it's rather surprising there weren't any other (lower) offers made, besides the one the seller accepted. :/


April 22, 2017 at 6:23 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at April 16, 2017 at 10:47 AM

Seiko7A38 at April 10, 2017 at 4:16 AM

Indeed, this next 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 listed on Yahoo Japan earlier today is amusingly a case of Déjà Vu.



http://page15.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/t510968207



Surprisingly, given the added attraction of the (0)'007' (and first year) issue number, that 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 failed to attract a buyer, even at the opening bid price of 120,000 Yen. It was re-listed earlier today (as usual, retaining the same YJ item number), with the opening bid price reduced to 100,000 Yen.




The above re-listed Yahoo Japan auction for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 (with the 0007 issue number) ended about 15 minutes ago, selling for ¥ 101,000 Yen (equivalent to approx. $926 USD /  £722.60 GBP) after only 2 bids. Possibly not as much as the Japanese seller might have been hoping for. :/


http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/t510968207



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