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The third of those 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's that appeared on Yahoo Japan auctions this month, on 17th, with an over-optimistic opening bid price of 130,000 Yen and which remains unsold (it's since been re-listed twice retaining the same item number) ....


http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/d227192306




.... has now also been listed in parallel on eBay, by presumably the same Japanese seller. Except they seem to be having a slight problem calculating the price in US Dollars. :roll: Using www.xe.com/currencyconverter 130,000 Yen at today's exchange rates equates to $1166.65 USD or £904.30 GBP. Not $2620 !! 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172647121035



There isn't any item description of the watch (as such), just payment / shipping details and terms & conditions, which I'm not going to bother copying and pasting. Same applies to the 3 photos, which are the same 3 used in the Yahoo Japan listing.


April 27, 2017 at 8:43 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Here's another 'head only' 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 listed a couple of days ago by US eBay seller dive-timer, with his typical asking price of $1075. Unlike his previous eBay listings (I remember at least 3), this one is being offered with free priority USPS shipping - as opposed to being offered through eBay's GSP programme, which can add around $300 to the Buy-it-Now price. I don't usually bother uploading photos to this thread, but I'll make an exception in this case, as one includes a COSERV invoice for a movement service.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/252900604753


Great gen 1 Seiko. British military issued. Very nice condition.

Some scratches on crystal and some discoloration on hands as shown in the photos.

Watch was recently fully serviced by Seiko USA and runs great. No original parts were changed.

Receipt for service will be included with the watch.


April 30, 2017 at 5:16 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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This nicely presented eBay listing for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 was posted yesterday afternoon by UK seller oldfella_50, who from memory has sold at least three previously. The Buy-it-Now price was a fairly conservative £750.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/182560130883



SEIKO ISSUED Gen 1 RAF QUARTZ CHRONOGRAPH

Please read the full description carefully and view all of the photographs as they form part of the description as to the condition of the watch.

In Service 1988. Circa First Gulf War.

Full Working condition keeping excellent time.

Movement 7A28 Quartz Chronograph

Sub dials show 1/10 th seconds, 60 seconds clock time, 30 minute elapsed timer, Sweep center 60 second timer.

Face Hands Crystal in excellent condition, Stainless Steel Case and back show some signs of wear.

All Chronograph functions work as they should; everything resets to zero position.

The watch will come with Leather NATO Type strap, and 1 NATO Fabric strap see below

NATO Strap Choice of Black or Grey. Your Choice.

You must state which you prefer when bidding.

FREE UK POSTAGE ONLY. International shipping at cost to be confirmed.


It sold earlier this morning for the £750 Buy-it-Now asking price (the seller declined two lower offers yesterday).


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/182560130883


May 5, 2017 at 6:59 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at April 4, 2017 at 6:00 AM

Here's a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 that was listed yesterday lunchtime by a German eBay seller, with a Buy-it-Now price of 900 Euros.

I hadn't previously bothered to look too closely at the eBay seller's photos, but a message from a forum member prompted me to.

This watch has been horribly over-polished - even the case-back, in a misguided effort to remove the usual dings and scratches.

Virtually all traces of the original matt silver anodized finish have been obliterated - apart from the undersides of the lugs.

So best avoided, for that reason. :(


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/152496089596


Checking my eBay watching page, I noticed that horribly over-polished 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, which was listed on eBay Germany at the beginning of April, had finally sold yesterday evening. Not for the reduced Buy-it-Now price of 800 Euros ....


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/152535513039


But as shown by WatchCount.com's look-up tool, against a Best Offer of 715 Euros:



As confirmed in the Purchase History: http://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsLogin&item=152535513039



Two much lower offers of 400 Euros were declined by the seller. Personally, given the effectively ruined condition, I don't consider them unreasonable. I suspect the buyer may be disappointed when he realizes what a polished turd he's bought. :/


May 8, 2017 at 5:36 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Yup, there certainly was an error in that Japanese seller's listing. :roll: Hopefully that's the last we've seen of it on eBay.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/182563823473



May 11, 2017 at 8:03 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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But as I've written may times before, there will always be another along soon. Here's another over-optimistically priced 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 listed yesterday evening by a wishful thinking UK eBay seller. The Buy-it-Now price is set at £1100, with currently no 'Make Offer' option. If you're daft enough, you can even buy it on the 'Never Never' .... From £52.00 per month for 24 months :lol:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/282471623316


This is from the 1984 the first year this was issued. Watch has expected wear but nothing to diminish. New glass and movement service performed two years ago, paperwork provided.


May 11, 2017 at 9:52 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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This 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 was listed yesterday evening by UK eBay seller ianwoodland63, better known as erstwhile forum member 'Woody', with a low start opening bid price of £0.99 and no reserve. I took the screen print below late last night. By this morning, bidding was already over £300 and certain to go much higher by 10 days time.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/332223020862


SEIKO MILITARY RAF ISSUE GEN ONE 7A28-7120 15 JEWELS QUARTZ CHRONOGRAPH 1986 ALL ORIGINAL EVEN LEFT THE GLASS I THINK ALL THESE WATCH IF NOT IN A VERY BAD WAY SHOULD BE LEFT AS THEY ARE FOUND .THIS HAS MARKS ON THE CASE AND BARS AS YOU CASE SEE NATO BURN TO BACK CASE AND SCRATCHES ON THE GLASS BUT IT'S ONE 100% ORIGINAL APART FROM THE BATTERY AND STRAP BUT IT CAME TO ME FROM THE GUY WHO HAD IN THE RAF AS YOU SEE .I ALSO HAVE HIS GEN TWO THAT WILL BE UP FOR SALE SOON SO THE WATCH IS NOT MINT BUT IT WAS WHEN LAST USED EASY TO FIT A NEW GLASS AND EVEN POLISH CASE IF THAT'S HOW YOU LIKE YOUR WATCHES FINNISH .I AM GOING TO START HER AT 99P AND LET MARKE HER OWN WAY SO YOU MAY GET A GOOD BUY NOT MANY BETTER ORIGINAL ONES OUT ALL WORKING 100% AS IT SHOULD ALL ALL HAND HIT ZERO A LOT DO NOT ON THESE MINT DIAL AND HANDS ONE OF THE BEST ORIGINAL ISSUE ONE YOU WILL FIND I HAVE MORE PHOTOS IF YOU NEED THEM . IT EVEN HAS SOME LUME LEFT BUT ONLY WHEN ITS BEEN IN THE LIGHT SEE PHOTO IT,NOT LIKE IT WAS WHEN NEW . I HAVE DYSLEXIA SO IT NOT THAT EASY. I TRY MY BEST AND TAKE GOOD PHOTOS TO HELP YOU OUT. I HOPE ALL THE INFO HELPS AS I AM NOT GOOD AS YOU HAVE SEEN AT THE TOP GOOD LUCK AND HOPE YOU WIN.


I haven't bothered copying and pasting the latter part of the description, because Woody has obviously 'borrowed' the text from Brandon Cripps' excellent Worn & Wound article: http://wornandwound.com/review/time-spec-seiko-7a28-raf-gen-1-chronograph


May 19, 2017 at 4:48 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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This 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 was listed on the SCWF Trading Post in the early hours of this morning, with an asking price of $950.

http://www.thewatchsite.com/8-seiko-citizen-trading-post/277546.html  FS Seiko RAF Gen 1 7A28-7120 $950



May 19, 2017 at 5:07 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Woody's eBay auction for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 ended yesterday evening, selling for £700 after 26 bids.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/332223020862


It had already been bid to that figure a couple of days previously, by a particularly determined bidder, who had stacked two more 'safety' bids above his existing £700 high bid. I was half expecting a last second snipe fest, but no further bids were forthcoming. :/


May 29, 2017 at 11:02 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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An all too horribly familiar looking 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 was listed yesterday evening by a US eBay seller, with a risibly optimistic 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of $1250 !!   Yes - the over-polished turd is back - looking even shinier this time around ! :lol:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/292132715148


FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IS A VERY COOL SEIKO 7A28 RAF GEN 1 CHRONOGRAPH.

****VERY GOOD OVERALL CONDITION****

Case: Stainless steel with minor signs of wear. Small hairline scratches throughout. Case appears to have been polished and does not have the brushed surface as it should.

Dial: Excellent condition

Movement: Runs well and all chrono functions operate as they should.

Crystal: No visible blemishes

Please feel free to ask as many questions as you like. I am happy to provide more pictures if you like. Collecting watches is a passion of mine and I'm not a professional dealer by any means. That said, I will go out of my way to make the deal as flawless as possible.

Below is an excerpt from an online publication regarding these timepieces and how they came to be. (not copied)


This is of course the same effectively ruined 7A28-7120 RAF Gen 1 which sold on eBay Germany in the first week of May for 715 Euros (equivalent to $799 US) against a Best Offer (see higher up the page). Not only do the case-back markings match (issue # 0365/84 and s/n 482794), but it's not difficult to connect the previous buyer's abbreviated encrypted ID, to that of the current would-be re-seller - nky_serenity_1975. Whether this is a case of Buyer's Remorse, or a blatant foolhardy attempt at profiteering (I suspect the latter), this person is clearly 'not a professional dealer by any means' - more like a rank amateur and a greedy one at that ! 


May 29, 2017 at 11:12 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Here's another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 listed by a UK eBay seller yesterday evening, with an opening bid price of £700.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/263009797293


Seiko 7A28 7120 RAF Issue Chronograph Issued 1988 number 6645-99 / 7683056 / 6389 / 88 featuring 15 jewel quartz 7A28 Seiko movement. The case excluding pushers is 37mm across and has fixed strap bars.

The watch is in superb condition despite showing signs of everyday wear. The hands, dial and mineral glass crystal are all in excellent condition, the hands resetting correctly and the pushers working smoothly.

A new battery has been fitted with a spare included.

The olive green NATO strap has been modified to my preference although a new grey NATO strap is include along with information regarding the operation of the watch.

No Buy it Now is available and the auction will run to completion.

Sale is to the UK only. Good luck if you decide to bid.


May 30, 2017 at 7:32 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Here's another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 being offered as a 'Head Only'  by a UK eBay seller. From the seller's photos (which has to be said aren't the best), it appears to be a half decent example. It was listed yesterday evening as a 7-day, low start (99p opening bid) auction. A little over 24 hours later, bidding has already passed the £500 mark. 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/122525586102


Seiko 1st generation military chronograph watch issued RAF 1984

Case back marked 6645 99 7683056 1309/84

Issued and served in military from 1984

All working and keeping time

Few light scratches to sapphire glass.

Used in service military.


June 1, 2017 at 4:39 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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The above UK eBay auction for a 'head only' 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 ended yesterday evening. I didn't bother watching the auction end (as I sometimes do) but when I'd last looked at it, with about half an hour to go, bidding was about where one might have expected it to be - £666. But then in the final minutes, two seemingly determined bidders started to slug it out - only to be sniped in the final seconds by another bidder, from out of the blue. It's worth checking out the bidding history. For what appeared to be nothing out of the ordinary, it achieved an impressive result, selling for a whopping £1131.11 :o after 41 bids. That's got to be one of (if not) the highest auction selling prices documented in this thread.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/122525586102


June 8, 2017 at 5:57 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Meanwhile, here's another UK eBay auction for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, listed yesterday morning by the familiar business seller britishmilitarysurplus, (instantly recognisable from his use of 'Bond' NATO's) with an opening bid price of £400.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/401342596234


British Military Surplus

SEIKO Generation 1 - Pilot Watch

Genuine Issue Military Watch

Issued in 1988 - Been in Active Service

The Watch has been given a new battery and New Strap

The Watch is Sold with No Warranty and No Guarantee

The Watch is currently in good working order - but the watch is 29 Years old and will need a service

The Watch is Sold as Untested


June 8, 2017 at 6:18 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Over on Yahoo Japan auctions, those two 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's which still remain unsold and are still being relisted (despite one of them being reduced in price) were joined earlier today by a third, with a prompt decision price (Buy-it-Now) of ¥107,000 Yen, which converts to approx. $971.50 USD / £750.80 GBP at today's rates.



http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/f219970610



Google was reluctant to translate the Japanese seller's heavily formatted description ....




So I copied the text from the larger two boxes and translated them separately. No great surprise, they contain all the usual caveats.


Scratches and scratches accompanying use are on the case. There are some scratches that are not noticeable around 12 o'clock windshield. "About warranty" We have warranted the merchandise for all products in the form of our sales certificate. Regarding the natural breakdown caused by normal use, we have put guarantee for 3 months, 6 months, 1 year depending on the brand. Please keep it carefully so that it will not be lost as it will be sent with the item. Furthermore, reissue. Do not do therefore beforehand, please acknowledge.

If you are second-hand, please refrain from the tender if you are worried about scratches and pain, nervous one. The color of the photograph may be slightly different from the actual color depending on the setting of the personal computer etc etc. Please note. Basically no claim no return, please. Shipping and other questions will be received at Q & A. Recently mischievous bidding has increased. Those with extremely bad evaluation may be allowed to cancel the bid by this judgment. Please acknowledge it beforehand. Please bid only for those who can contact us within two days after your bidding. Thank you. Payment method. Yahoo! simple settlement only becomes. The delivery method will be Sagawa Express only.


Edit: This 7-day listing appears to have been ended early (with no bids placed) after only one day (on Friday June 9 @ 17:00 JST).


June 8, 2017 at 8:21 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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By stark comparison with the previous auction result, that other UK eBay 10-day auction listing for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 ended a few minutes ago, selling for the £700 opening bid price. (The two bids were placed by the same bidder in the closing seconds).


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/263009797293


June 8, 2017 at 4:41 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Here's another UK eBay auction for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 that was listed late yesterday evening. It's being offered by the same seller rajalaiq, whose recent previous auction for a 'head only' achieved £1131. It was originally a low start auction (£0.99 opening bid), but by this morning, after only 12 hours, the bidding has already reached £450.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/122532718736


Seiko 1st generation military chronograph watch issued Royal Air Force 1986

Case back marked 6645 99 7683056 3507/86

Issued and served in military from 1986

All working and keeping time.

Few light scratches to sapphire glass.

Used in service military.


June 9, 2017 at 4:55 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at May 11, 2017 at 9:52 AM

But as I've written may times before, there will always be another along soon. Here's another over-optimistically priced 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 listed yesterday evening by a wishful thinking UK eBay seller. The Buy-it-Now price is set at £1100, with currently no 'Make Offer' option. If you're daft enough, you can even buy it on the 'Never Never' .... From £52.00 per month for 24 months :lol:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/282471623316


This is from the 1984 the first year this was issued. Watch has expected wear but nothing to diminish. New glass and movement service performed two years ago, paperwork provided.



The above quoted 30-day UK eBay listing for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 ended yesterday evening with the watch still unsold. That is despite the seller having reduced the original over-optimistic Buy-it-Now price from £1100 to 'only' £950 after 10 days and the listing having 70+ watchers by the time it ended.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/282471623316


June 10, 2017 at 4:27 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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With so many 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's being offered for sale on eBay, Yahoo Japan and elsewhere recently, in order to achieve an exceptional selling price, it might help to have a unique selling point. This example, listed yesterday evening by a UK eBay seller, with an opening bid price of £400, certainly qualifies as having one. Nice patina on the original RAF issued brown nylon NATO too.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/122540739817

 


Seiko Military Watch 1988 RAF Gen 1 Chronograph

This is a very rare watch with a unique history.


Stainless steel case Ref 7A28-7120 with British Military Issue Markings 6645-99-7683056

The RAF-issued Seiko military Gen 1 watch is considered one of the most sought after military watches.

Markings on rear case: 7A28-7120 6645-99 7683056 5299/88 814484 (See photos)

The RAF issued the military model Generation 1 from Oct 1984 until Nov 1990.

The model features a stainless steel case and is powered by the highly-regarded, 15-jewel, quartz 7A28 Seiko movement. All the usual chronograph functions including split timings and 1/10 sec timing as well as second and minute indicators up to 30 minutes.

As a result of the application of Promethium 147 (the P on the dial), the dial has luminous markers.

The case excluding the crown and pushers measures 37 mm across and has an inter-lug width of 20mm.


WATCH CONDITION

Some wear & tear with scratches on the front glass with original strap which is well worn commensurate with its very active operational life.

The battery was replaced 1 week ago and the watch keeps accurate time.

Lower small second hand working. Large second hand and 1/10th second hand and reset button all working.

Have been unable to zero 30 minute hand it will only go to 6 minute mark when you reset stopwatch but it does work when activated.


HISTORY

This watch was issued new to Flt Lt C J Thompson RAF (Retired), an ejectee from an RAF Jet Provost in 1971, and he was Chief Test Pilot for Martin Baker, the British ejection seat manufacturer, from 1999 to 2007.

Flying the military registered Gloster Meteor Ejection Seat test aircraft based at Chalgrove airfield Oxfordshire he undertook 18 ejection seat test flights in the UK and France whilst wearing this watch. (See photo)

The watch is being sold from his extensive aviation collection.

A signed certificate of authenticity of the history of this watch will be provided to the successful buyer.

There is no buy it now price it goes to auction to the highest bidder.


In the above photo from the seller's listing, Flt Lt. 'Bob' Thomson doesn't actually appear to be wearing the watch. 

Out of curiosity, I did a little googling and found this article on the Martin Baker Meteors, which may be of interest:

http://www.ejectorseats.co.uk/the-chalgrove-meteors-2.pdf  ('Bob' Thompson is mentioned at the bottom of page 11).


Edit: Later this morning, the seller added the following amendment to the description:

On 10-Jun-17 at 11:36:01 BST, seller added the following information:


IMPORTANT UPDATE

I HAVE NOW BEEN ADVISED HOW TO RESET THE LEFT HAND 30 MINUTE DIAL TO THE ZERO POSITION BUT IT WILL NOT RELOCATE AWAY FROM THE 6 MINUTE POSITION.

WHEN USING THE STOPWATCH FUNCTION THE LARGE SWEEP HAND AND SMALL RIGHT HAND SECOND HAND AND LEFT HAND 30 MINUTE HANDS ALL ROTATE BUT WHEN YOU ZERO/RESET THE STOPWATCH FUNCTION THE LARGE AND SMALL RIGHT HAND DIAL HANDS RETURN TO ZERO BUT THE LEFT HAND 30 MINUTE DIAL HAND RETURNS TO 6 MINUTE POSITION.

PLEASE ONLY BID IF THE ABOVE IS ACCEPTABLE TO YOU.


Given the watch's ejectee provenance, I wouldn't worry too much about the 30 minute sub-dial problem. It's probably a simple fix, possibly caused by a damaged stepper motor rotor magnet. Hardly surprising, given the G forces it may have endured. 


June 10, 2017 at 4:51 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Speaking of  "so many 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's being offered for sale elsewhere recently" ....


On Friday of this week, Witham Specialist Vehicles Ltd. held another of their online military surplus auctions:


http://www.i-bidder.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/witham/catalogue-id-witham10039




The 123 lots included LOTS of 7A28 Gen. 1's - 15 .... Yes FIFTEEN of them. :o

(The auction also included a similar number of 7T27 Gen. 2's - which I couldn't be bothered to count and the usual G10's, etc.)




Closing bid prices ranged between £300 and £600, to which 20% VAT and 10% commission would need to be added:


   (That's up from the 26% of their previous auction in March.)


I'm not about to start tracking issue / serial numbers, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a few of these watches start appearing on eBay in the coming weeks and months - offered by the regular dealers. :/


June 11, 2017 at 7:22 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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