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A couple of quick updates on UK eBay auction listings for 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's from the previous page ....


Last time I checked on the 7-day auction listing by seller rajalaiq, bidding had reached £580, with a couple of days left to run.

The seller ended the listing in the early hours of this morning, cancelling all bids, because the item was no longer available ....

So presumably sold off eBay via a 'back door' offer.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/122532718736




The other 7-day auction listing by seller britishmilitarysurplus ended about half an hour ago selling for £536.66 after 5 bids.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/401342596234


June 14, 2017 at 4:51 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at May 29, 2017 at 11:12 AM

An all too horribly familiar looking 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 was listed yesterday evening by a US eBay seller, with a risibly optimistic 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of $1250 !!   Yes - the over-polished turd is back - looking even shinier this time around ! :lol:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/292132715148


FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IS A VERY COOL SEIKO 7A28 RAF GEN 1 CHRONOGRAPH.

****VERY GOOD OVERALL CONDITION****

Case: Stainless steel with minor signs of wear. Small hairline scratches throughout. Case appears to have been polished and does not have the brushed surface as it should.

Dial: Excellent condition

Movement: Runs well and all chrono functions operate as they should.

Crystal: No visible blemishes

Please feel free to ask as many questions as you like. I am happy to provide more pictures if you like. Collecting watches is a passion of mine and I'm not a professional dealer by any means. That said, I will go out of my way to make the deal as flawless as possible.

Below is an excerpt from an online publication regarding these timepieces and how they came to be. (not copied)


This is of course the same effectively ruined 7A28-7120 RAF Gen 1 which sold on eBay Germany in the first week of May for 715 Euros (equivalent to $799 US) against a Best Offer (see higher up the page). Not only do the case-back markings match (issue # 0365/84 and s/n 482794), but it's not difficult to connect the previous buyer's abbreviated encrypted ID, to that of the current would-be re-seller - nky_serenity_1975. Whether this is a case of Buyer's Remorse, or a blatant foolhardy attempt at profiteering (I suspect the latter), this person is clearly 'not a professional dealer by any means' - more like a rank amateur and a greedy one at that ! 



I had a feeling this listing for a grossly over-polished 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 by would-be profiteering US eBay re-seller  nky_serenity_1975 might turn into a comedy of errors. :roll:

The above original listing ended with the watch unsurprisingly unsold, but not before he'd reduced the Buy-it-Now price to $975.



That was followed by a re-listing with the Buy-it-Now price reduced to $890 and a similar predictable outcome:



The subsequent re-listing with the Buy-it-Now price further reduced to $875 was ended in the early hours of this morning ....




That was replaced almost immediately by a low start ($0.99 opening bid price) auction, which was similarly ended due to an error.




Checking the offer history (of all 3 Buy-it-Now listings), it appears there were only 2 offers made against the first re-listing:


I would suspect that declined offer of $825 was actually a counter offer by the seller (eBay seems unable to differentiate).
This probably isn't  the last we've seen of 'the polished turd' Gen 1. But if it does re-appear, suggest avoiding at all costs ....
That is unless of course you happen to have a replacement watch case going spare.

June 15, 2017 at 7:32 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I must be losing it. :roll:

Somehow the search I ran this morning failed to pick up the latest re-listing. It is of course back again already. 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/292151394846



Edit: Buy-it-Now price subsequently reduced to 'only' $790, which puts the seller in a potential loss situation (which he deserves).


June 15, 2017 at 9:36 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at June 10, 2017 at 4:51 AM

With so many 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's being offered for sale on eBay, Yahoo Japan and elsewhere recently, in order to achieve an exceptional selling price, it might help to have a unique selling point. This example, listed yesterday evening by a UK eBay seller, with an opening bid price of £400, certainly qualifies as having one. Nice patina on the original RAF issued brown nylon NATO too.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/122540739817


Bob Thompson's eBay auction for his ex-Martin Baker 'ejectee' 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 just ended, selling for £880 after 12 bids.

June 16, 2017 at 4:00 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at April 27, 2017 at 8:43 AM

The third of those 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's that appeared on Yahoo Japan auctions this month, on 17th, with an over-optimistic opening bid price of 130,000 Yen and which remains unsold (it's since been re-listed twice retaining the same item number) ....


http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/d227192306




Nothing to report this week, in terms of new listings or results, as such, but I suppose I should add this as a belated update.

Readers may have noted from a later post on the previous page, that the would-be Japanese seller had subsequently reduced the prices on his Yahoo Japan listing for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, to an opening bid price of 110,000 Yen, or Buy-it-Now for 115,000 Yen. He continued to re-list it (retaining the same YJ item number) every 3 days or so.




That re-listing ended 10 days ago on 14th June, without any bids being placed, and hasn't been re-listed since.


http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/d227192306



So possibly withdrawn, or sold outside YJ against a presumably lower offer. Your guess is as good as mine. :/


June 24, 2017 at 8:28 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I hadn't bothered adding another update to the saga of 'the polished turd' 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, but earlier this week, the would-be US eBay re-seller nky_serenity_1975 had re-listed it once again, with the Buy-it-Now price further reduced from $790 to $750. That re-listing ended in the early hours of this morning.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/292160245274



Sold not for $750, but as shown by WatchCount.com's look-up tool, actually sold against a lower Best Offer of $650.



As confirmed by the eBay Offer History: http://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsLogin&item=292160245274


Which, unless I've missed any, currently now leaves only one other long-running listing for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 on eBay ....


June 25, 2017 at 12:57 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at April 30, 2017 at 5:16 AM

Here's another 'head only' 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 listed a couple of days ago by US eBay seller dive-timer, with his typical asking price of $1075. Unlike his previous eBay listings (I remember at least 3), this one is being offered with free priority USPS shipping - as opposed to being offered through eBay's GSP programme, which can add around $300 to the Buy-it-Now price. I don't usually bother uploading photos to this thread, but I'll make an exception in this case, as one includes a COSERV invoice for a movement service.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/252900604753


That 30-day listing ended with the 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 'Head Only' unsold. The US eBay seller dive-timer re-listed it again for another 30 days at the same wishful $1075 Buy-it-Now price. The re-listing still had two days left to run, but the seller ended it early, yesterday afternoon, as allegedly no longer available.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/252960755553



Incidentally, the highest (declined) offer on the original 30-day listing was for $800.


http://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsLogin&item=252900604753



There was evidently more interest in the re-listing, which received 1975 views and at one point had 90 watchers. However, the most common offers made (and declined) were for $750 and $800. I strongly suspect the highest offer shown of $950 was very likely a counter-offer made by the seller (declined by the potential buyer). Unfortunately, eBay history conveniently doesn't differentiate.


http://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsLogin&item=252960755553




Here's the latest re-listing, with the 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price reduced from $1075 to 'only' $1025. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm//253009605385

June 25, 2017 at 1:21 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at June 8, 2017 at 6:18 AM

Meanwhile, here's another UK eBay auction for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, listed yesterday morning by the familiar business seller britishmilitarysurplus, (instantly recognisable from his use of 'Bond' NATO's) with an opening bid price of £400.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/401342596234


Thought I was seeing double for a minute. :roll: This morning, UK eBay seller Britishmilitarysurplus listed another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, with the same opening bid price of £400. Looks like he's used the same 4 photos from the previous listing (including that of the case-back) and just changed the date in the title from 1988 to 1984 (and also the 'age' in the description from 29 to 33 years).


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/401356052884


British Military Surplus

SEIKO Generation 1 - Pilot Watch

Genuine Issue Military Watch

Issued in 1984 - Been in Active Service

The Watch has been given a new battery and New Strap

The Watch is Sold with No Warranty and No Guarantee

The Watch is currently in good working order - but the watch is 33 Years old and will need a Service

The Watch is Sold as Untested.


Or at least I was seeing double. :/ No sooner than I'd completed the post and refreshed the eBay listing to check the link ....

I found he'd just revised it, adding a Buy-it-Now option for £700. Bloody typical. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/401356052884


June 29, 2017 at 10:20 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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It would seem that persistence pays off - eventually. The long running re-listing for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 'head only', by US eBay seller dive-timer ended in the early hours of this morning, selling for the reduced Buy-it-Now price of $1025.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/253009605385


July 1, 2017 at 8:52 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The most recent eBay auction for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 by UK seller britishmilitarysurplus ended this morning, selling for a mere £450 after only 2 bids. I suspect potential buyers were reticent due to the seller's failure to post photos of the actual watch offered for sale. (He re-used the same 4 images from his previous listing).


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/401356052884


July 6, 2017 at 2:23 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Today is the 4th anniversary of the day I started this thread - 6th July 2013. Ignoring that last very poor eBay auction result, the last 4 years have seen the average selling price of these collectable military watches double from £400 to £800. The highest eBay auction result I've recorded was that flukey £1131 acheived last month by an only average looking example (see previous page). Then there was that mint looking example, fitted with a leather strap, that sold on Yahoo Japan for ¥ 216,990 Yen (equivalent to $1925.75 / £1546.75) at the end of February (see page 26). Makes you wonder what that NOS example on the first page (which sold for £900, back in July 2013) might fetch in today's marketplace. 


Anyway, with no more 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's current listed on eBay and only that one ridiculously over-priced example still being re-listed ad nauseam on Yahoo Japan, that seems as good a place as any to wind up this thread. I'm outa here ! ;)


July 6, 2017 at 2:42 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at June 14, 2017 at 4:51 AM

A couple of quick updates on UK eBay auction listings for 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's from the previous page ....


Last time I checked on the 7-day auction listing by seller rajalaiq, bidding had reached £580, with a couple of days left to run.

The seller ended the listing in the early hours of this morning, cancelling all bids, because the item was no longer available ....

So presumably sold off eBay via a 'back door' offer.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/122532718736



I hadn't intended to add any more to this thread, but this post is by means of 'unfinished business', from the top of the page. 

Yesterday evening, UK eBay seller rajalaiq listed another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 with a low start opening bid price of £0.99.

Except this isn't 'another'; it's the same watch he withdrew from sale on 14th June. The photos may be new and different to the previous listing but the case-back serial # 671808 and issue # 3507/86 match. Begs the question why it was withdrawn before. 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/122586549894



Seiko 1st generation military chronograph watch issued RAF 1986

Case back marked 6645 99 7683056 3507/86

Issued and served in military from 1986. Served in Gulf War in 1990

This is the real deal. All original. Rare. A real talking point.

All working and keeping time. Chronograph resetting and working.

Few light scratches to sapphire glass.

Used in military service RAF

No parts changed all original.


July 10, 2017 at 4:13 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The above re-listed eBay auction for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 by UK seller rajalaiq, ended a few moments ago selling for £661.10 after 22 bids. It had been bid to that figure earlier this afternoon. There was no last minute snipe fest.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/122586549894


July 16, 2017 at 4:14 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Yeah O.K. :P I know what I wrote a couple of weeks ago - about not bothering to maintain this thread any longer. :roll:

I didn't actually switch off my saved eBay saved searches, but haven't received any notifications in the interim period, so I don't think I've actually missed any. Then two 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's came up late this afternoon, listed within an hour of each other. 


Both are from UK eBay sellers. This first one purports to be a 'Military Watch Trader'. Granted, it's a very professionally presented listing; watch is nicely photographed, but in reality it's just another average condition example with all the usual minor dings and scrapes. Besides, who's going to fall for that old £9.95 gag nowadays ? It's 800 Quid he's asking.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/263105008697


The other one isn't actually a new listing, per se, but a carry-over from last month ....


July 24, 2017 at 2:33 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at June 10, 2017 at 4:27 AM

Seiko7A38 at May 11, 2017 at 9:52 AM

But as I've written may times before, there will always be another along soon. Here's another over-optimistically priced 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 listed yesterday evening by a wishful thinking UK eBay seller. The Buy-it-Now price is set at £1100, with currently no 'Make Offer' option. If you're daft enough, you can even buy it on the 'Never Never' .... From £52.00 per month for 24 months :lol:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/282471623316


This is from the 1984 the first year this was issued. Watch has expected wear but nothing to diminish. New glass and movement service performed two years ago, paperwork provided.



The above quoted 30-day UK eBay listing for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 ended yesterday evening with the watch still unsold. That is despite the seller having reduced the original over-optimistic Buy-it-Now price from £1100 to 'only' £950 after 10 days and the listing having 70+ watchers by the time it ended.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/282471623316



Or should I say a carry-over from (over) two months ago. With apologies for the double quote from the previous page.

Same 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, re-listed by seller njmearme. Note the Buy-it-Now price has crept back up to £999. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/282584941843


July 24, 2017 at 2:41 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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I sometimes wonder why I bother. :roll:

That first UK eBay listing for a 7A28 RAF Gen. 1 from yesterday, barely lasted 12 hours before being withdrawn this morning.

The reason being that it's no longer available. So presumably sold off eBay, via the 'back door' in response to an offer:/


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/263105008697



July 25, 2017 at 8:24 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I never have any qualms about putting the record straight with regard to incorrect assuptions I may have made. It's always good to know what really happened in such instances, particularly when eBay listings like the one above are ended so quickly. This morning I received an email notification of a new member application from someone with a chosen username of wildonr. I accepted, but so far, he hasn't sucessfully managed to register as a member. :( This afternoon he sent me an email, which he kindly agreed I could publish on his behalf. No coincidence, this is the same person as the eBay seller - Military Watch Trader, Rob Wildon. 


Hi Paul,

I was registering to give you a update on the Seiko listing. Here's my msg was going to post but won’t let me.


Hi, just wanted to update you on the RAF Gen 1 from wildonr Military Watch Trader. It's true I am a military watch trader, I buy and sell military watches, 90% of which I buy direct from MOD and restore / service myself. My website which you may delete just for evidence is http://www.militarywatchtrader.com.

My ecommerce site is linked directly to eBay; anything I publish on my website is automatically listed on eBay with invententory and price sync. If I sell a watch directly through my website, it delists directly from eBay, so its no back door issue or offline ebay dealing, website first then eBay !

The watch sold for £700. If the case body was better condition then I would have sold at £800. Also I can assure servicing and fixing these watches is incredibly tedious and hard; that particular watch has 7 man hours invested in it. When you combine the price I pay for these from MOD, there really isn't a lot of profit in it TBH. I make more from CWC Fatboys than these, so that's another reason they command a high price, originality with full service; well I do anyway + 12 months warranty + parts costs, gaskets, crystals, etc.

Finally wanted to say even though Seiko Gen 1 gets a bashing on here, main dealers I know sell these watches for a £1000+ on Chrono24, Mr Jones watches etc. and to also say this site is actually (bashing sellers aside) a great resource of information and pricing info, so thanks for all that you have done on here.


Kind Regards

Robert Wildon

Military Watch Trader


To put the record completely straight, here's another link to Rob's website and that particular (sold) 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1.


http://militarywatchtrader.com/product-category/seiko-raf

Thanks Rob. But I still don't get the £9.95 thing. :P


July 26, 2017 at 9:41 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I would be remiss of me not to acknowledge here, that my earlier predicted demise of this long-running thread, got an honourable mention over on MWR forum last week.


http://www.mwrforum.net/forums/showthread.php?80068  End of Seiko Gen 1 PriceWatch thread




Thanks to the OP (and others) for the positive words. 


July 26, 2017 at 10:05 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I was beginning to wonder if my earlier plans to end this long-running thread might have spelled a 'kiss of death' for eBay sales. :P Unless I've missed any, it's been 3 weeks since a new 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 was offered for sale on there. :( But then, one was finally listed yesterday afternoon by a UK eBay seller, with a slightly odd opening bid price of £87.44. I guess the numbers must hold some significance for him. :/


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/202018086851


Seiko 1st generation military chronograph watch issued RAF 1984.

Watch has expected wear but nothing to diminish.

Some marks on the case and crystal ,but everything works as it should.

1984 the first year this was issued.

All working and keeping time. Chronograph resetting and working.


August 12, 2017 at 4:25 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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This slightly confusing series of listings for (ONE each) 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 appeared on eBay late last night, listed by a UK seller - one who is clearly a dealer, in too much of a hurry to offload his junk, to be bothered to take photos of the individual watches. 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272812439851

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272812437143


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272812431246



With the exception of the date, the title and description (which currently tells you bugger all) of all three listings are identical:


Seiko RAF Generation-1 Chronograph

Very good cosmetic condition 1989 Seiko RAF Gen-1 fully original but has a movement problem - sold as a project (1 watch only)

Full Description/Pictures to follow shortly

(This month selling off a lot of military watches I have collected over the years, some vgc - some projects - some hard to find parts)

Trade's & Buying-

I buy & collect military watches, if you would like to trade your old military watch for one of mine or just want to sell your watch please get in touch with a brief description / picture or two + your price.

Interested in any watch (WWII-1990's) military issued any condition considered, also just watch parts straps boxes & ephemera

Also military clocks & vintage military inspired pilots or divers watches - Longines Lemania Hamilton Blancpain JLC IWC Smiths etc

Payment-

I accept Paypal. Bank transfer sent in £'s & fees paid. Postal orders. Cheque only from a UK bank.

If you want the watch posting to an address other than your registered eBay address or to a PO box payment must be by a method other than Paypal!

Postage-

I offer Free UK postage & EU/WW reduced by the same amount as free UK postage.

UK - FREE Special Delivery, next day signed for & insured

EU & Europe - Reduced postage Only £5.50 1st class Royal-mail Airmail signed for + online tracking (where available) & insured

World-wide (zone 1 & 2) - Reduced postage Only £6.50 1st class Royal-mail Airmail signed for + online tracking & insured

Most European countries delivery will take 3-6 working days. World wide 5-9 working days. World wide (zone-2) Australia NZ Far-East & remote places 7-12 working days.

The package will be declared as "Used Watch" & "No Strap" which should stop it getting caught up at customs who often check what watch straps are made from due to CITES import regulations.

It will be declared at full value otherwise you will not be covered for postal claims. Import duties are your responsibility, please check your countries import laws before bidding if you are unsure about import fees. UK to EU there is no fee.

When your watch is posted I will update your ebay invoice with the tracking number, here is where to check for further details https://www.royalmail.com/track-your-item

I have never had a problem with lost items, but if a item does go missing in the postal system I will do my very best to help. How postal insurance claims work in the UK is that purchase cost "needs" to be proved, as so to get the full amount of compensation it is always "you" the buyer who makes the claim. How I can help is by getting the forms from the post office & filling in my "seller"portion of the form & then send you the claim form complete with a copy of the original postal receipt. You then fill in the "buyer" part of the form & submit it to Royalmail.com along with a copy of your ebay receipt.

Due to well known postal problems/frauds "I DO NOT POST TO" CHINA (HK is OK), ITALY, NIGERIA, ROMANIA or RUSSIA although if you have good recent feedback for buying watches please contact me & im sure we can work something out!

Feedback-

Please leave me feedback when you receive the watch, if you have any reason for not leaving Good & 5 star's please contact me & we will work out any problems you might have!

Be aware of the stated delivery times to your location from the UK .. also "working days" means not including weekends or holidays. You will see I post the same or next day, & the postage cost to you was a lot lower than the actual cost for a secure postal method. Please do not leave me low star ratings if this is correct.

I leave feedback as soon as payment is received.

Thank's for taking time to look at my auction. Please check out my other auctions for lots more military watches .. Some have been fully serviced with warranty + have passed a water pressure test + I will be listing more types of military watches all in "superb condition" as and when they return from service, you can click on the link below my username to add me to your "follow this seller" list for email updates.

Regards, Ken.


And the same group shot photo is currently used for all three listings.




More observant readers will have noticed that photo shows four 7A28-7120 Gen. 1's and two 7T27-7A20 Gen. 2's.

But if you check the seller's other items, you'll find in his rush, he's currently erroniously listed 3 of each type.



So presumably when Ken finally gets his act together, one of those listings for a 7T27 may mysteriously mutate into a 7A28. :roll:


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