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Here's another listing for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 in need of some attention, which appeared on eBay a day or so ago, offered as untested, by regular UK seller britishmilitarysurplus, as a 3-day auction with an opening bid price of £400. If that sounds vaguely familiar, it's because the seller appears to have cloned his previous listing from the end of August (see previous page). However, although this may be another 1988 issued watch, it's a different serial number (I checked). Still no bids at the time of writing.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/302442311287


British Military Surplus

SEIKO Generation 1 - Pilot Watch

Genuine Issue Military Watch

Issued in 1988 - Been in Active Service

The Watch has been given a new battery and New Strap

The Watch is Sold with No Warranty and No Guarantee

The Watch has been given a new battery - however not all hands are running correctly - The Watch WILL NEED A SERVICE

The Watch is Sold as Untested.


September 9, 2017 at 7:01 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The above eBay auction by UK seller britishmiliarysurplus failed to attract much attention, selling yesterday evening for the opening bid price of £400.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/302442311287


September 11, 2017 at 2:50 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Here's yet another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, listed yesterday evening by another UK eBay seller, as a 7-day auction with an opening bid price of £99.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/322730045892



Seiko 7A28 generation 1 military issue aviators chronograph. It is in perfect working order and in very good condition, it has aquired a few marks over its 27 year life time as expected but as you can see from the pictures they are very minor.


September 11, 2017 at 2:55 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Here's another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 that was listed yesterday evening by a UK eBay seller, with a comparatively low Buy-it-Now price of 'only' £575 (or Best Offer).


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/142503871417


Seiko Gen 1 RAF watch

Issued in 1988

Fully working, keeps excellent time, chrono starts stops and resets

The legendary 15 jewel 7A28 movement is very clean and fully functioning

In good overall condition with wear commensurate with age and use

Main second hand and 30 minute sub hand a fraction off centre when reset, this is common with these watches and can be adjusted

The rehaut is also slightly off centre

Damage to caseback - see photo. This does not affect it as the caseback opens and screws down without a problem

Posted RMSD in UK, Royal Mail tracked and signed for elsewhere - cover is limited to £250 and is at the buyers risk. If you want full cover by courier please contact me before bidding.


Perhaps it's my naturally suspicious nature, but I'm wondering if this watch is in part connected to the 1988 'Project' watch briefly offered by UK seller 24699510 on 20th August, with a Buy-it-Now price of £300 (see my post on the previous page) - before its details were overwritten with those of another 1989 watch. Note this seller states: Damage to caseback - see photo. If you check the photos, you'll see the damage is corrosion to the inside of the case-back and case threads. The seller 24699510 had written:


The case back has corrosion on two sides, on one side it extends onto the thread which is partially damaged & the damage extends onto the case-back edge/back.

The mid-case has some corrosion on part of the thread but could be cleaned up although would probably not pass a pressure test w/o some serious work.


.... which far better describes the water damage to the inside of the watch case, visible in this seller's photos.

Oh, Yes - and both watch cases have a distinctive ding to the bezel area, just above 12 o'clock. ;)


September 12, 2017 at 12:02 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I was fairly confident my assumption was correct, but nevertheless I sent the eBay seller a message, asking him for confirmation.

He replied 'one and the same', but adding that it had been de-rusted and fitted with a donor 7A28 movement. That probably explains the slight misalignment of the hands (if not the dial ring). The seller appears to have been in a hurry to move this on, because he reduced the Buy-it-Now price by £50 to 'only' £525 (coincidentally not long after I made my previous post). The listing was ended yesterday evening, because the item was no longer available. So presumably sold off eBay via the back door (the way it came in).


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/142503871417 



September 13, 2017 at 12:17 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at September 3, 2017 at 3:09 PM

Here's another listing for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 'Head Only' which appeared on eBay earlier this afternoon: a 10-day auction with a slightly odd opening bid price of  $256.69. It was soon bumped up to a round $400 (by two bidders, within minutes of each other). It's being offered by a US seller through eBay's Global Shipping programme, so for anybody in Europe who might be thinking about bidding on it, don't forget to factor in at least 20% on top to cover the Customs charges.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/152689304630


The above (quote carried foward from the previous page) 10-day US eBay auction for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 'Head Only' ended earlier this afternoon, selling for $635 after 13 bids.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/152689304630


September 13, 2017 at 11:17 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Here's yet another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 listed this lunchtime by a UK eBay seller, with an over-optimistic (particularly in view of recent sales results) Buy-it-Now price of £900 Quid. Good job he didn't make too much of the 'ultra rare' thing. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/112564855187


Vintage Seiko 7A28-7120 Gen 1

RAF issued only

Good overall condition - recent battery and strap replacement.

Few general marks on case and crystal but all minor. Please see pictures.

All works as it should.

Any questions please do let me know.


September 15, 2017 at 8:57 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Speaking of over-optimistic pricing, it would be remiss of me not to also mention that other example, previously offered by UK seller njmearme, which has gone unsold since May 11th and been re-listed sporadically since. Back once again - re-listed earlier today for the 3rd time for another 30 days, with the same 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of £999, but this time with a Make Offer option.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/282654503383

September 15, 2017 at 9:15 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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On this occasion, I'm not even going to attempt carrying forward a partial quote from the previous page, because the response from Webs' server is so diabolically slow this morning (I wasn't even sure if this post would take). :roll: Those readers who've been following the somewhat erratic eBay listing activities of UK seller 24699510 will know exactly which watch I'm referring to. If you don't - I suggest you refer back to the bottom of page 29. :P The third (listed) of his second batch of three 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 Project watches sold yesterday evening.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272815080890



Not for the £525 Buy-it-Now price (reduced from £550), but as shown by WatchCount.com's look-up tool against an offer of £475.



As confirmed by the eBay Purchase History: http://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsLogin&item=272815080890


September 16, 2017 at 5:33 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The 7-day UK eBay auction for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 (near the top of this page) ended a few moments ago, in the customary snipe-fest, selling for £603 after 17 bids.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/322730045892


September 17, 2017 at 1:01 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Checking my eBay watching page, I note, somewhat belatedly, that those other two 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 'Project' watches, offered by UK seller 24699510, sold within an hour of each other, late last night and in the early hours of this morning.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272815082287


Best as I can tell, that one appears to have sold as a Buy-it-Now for £500 (the BIN price had been reduced from previous £575).

Only decined offers are shown in the eBay history: http://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsLogin&item=272815082287


The seller had also reduced the Buy-it-Now price of the other one from his previous asking price of £450 to 'only' £400.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272815078343


In fact it sold for less than that - as shown by WatchCount.com's look-up tool - against a best offer of £370.



As confirmed by the eBay Purchase History: http://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsLogin&item=272815078343



Hopefully he's finished having his clearout (of Seikos) and that'll be the last we see of this inept seller and his 'Projects'. :roll:


September 20, 2017 at 2:06 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at September 15, 2017 at 8:57 AM

Here's yet another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 listed this lunchtime by a UK eBay seller, with an over-optimistic (particularly in view of recent sales results) Buy-it-Now price of £900 Quid. Good job he didn't make too much of the 'ultra rare' thing. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/112564855187


Not quite sure what happened with that one, but I'd suspect the seller may have pulled a a bit of a flanker.

Yesterday evening he ended the above 30-day listing early because of an alleged error - when it had 37 watchers and 745 views.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/112564855187




He re-listed almost immediately at the same £900 Buy-it-Now price. I haven't bothered comparing the other details of the two listings, but it seems odd that he didn't just edit the original. Anyway, that seems to have done the trick, because it sold this morning.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/112576166313


Not for the full £900 BIN asking price, but as shown by WatchCount.com's look-up tool against an offer of £800.



As confirmed by the eBay Purchase History:  http://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsLogin&item=112576166313



The two declined offers against the original listing were noticeably lower. :/

September 25, 2017 at 12:56 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at August 28, 2017 at 10:39 AM

Another US eBay listing for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 dropped to the bottom of page 4 of my watching list earlier today - the shiny one at the top of the page, with the ludicrous $1250 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price. Again, the seller ended the listing early as NLA. 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/401387431562



But that wasn't quite the end of it. :| Unfortunately, I didn't spot it at the time (nor did I receive any saved search notification), but the seller re-listed it soon afterwards. That re-listing was only live for just over an hour and a half, before it sold.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/401392948116


This time, according to WatchCount.com's look-up tool it sold against an offer of $835.



As confirmed by the eBay Purchase History: http://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsLogin&item=401392948116


So that's it sold for a 3rd time this year. :roll: Probably not the last we've seen of it - once the buyer realizes he's the latest mug punter to have been suckered by 'the polished turd'. :/



With apologies for the lengthy quote - it's purely to carry forward my last post about this particular watch from the previous page (there are 'a few' other posts about it prior to that). :lol: A new listing for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 appeared on Yahoo Japan auctions 2 days ago. The new listing is the uppermost of these two. Although the lower one is flagged as 'New', that's just yet another re-listing of the one that first appeared on YJ back at the end of March, with a ludicrous 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of 155,000 Yen. Needless to say, it's gone unsold since then, re-listed ad nauseam, with the BIN price currently reduced to 151,000 Yen. :roll:



http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k272400446



You'll notice that there's a certain familiar glint to the watch case lugs in the seller's primary image. The seller has embedded a futher 15 (!) 600x600 images in their description. They've done this by merging them into a vertical string and hosting it in their Dropbox account. At 9070 pixels tall, it's too big to practically host in my PhotoBucket, so I've attempted to link it directly to it. No doubt when the listing ends, this multiple image will disappear into the ether. It's really only the bottom 5 photos you need to look at. So scroll down ....


http://www.dropbox.com/s/c5l07iq06htw2ns/170924M002_1.jpg?dl=0


   Edit: It looks like the seller has since blocked anyone else from embedding images from his Dropbox. :roll:


This is of course once again our old friend, the 'Polished Turd', issue number 0365/84, that first appeared on eBay Germany and sold for the first time in early May for 715 Euros. Though it doesn't look quite as shiny as it has done before in some of the previous eBay listing photos - particularly the case-back, suggesting that someone has possibly made an effort  to 'tone it down' a bit. Going by the apparent loss of depth of the outer stampings I'd suspect the case-back has been recently skimmed.




This latest would-be Japanese re-seller does state that the case has been polished; it's more evident in his last few photos.

Google translates the relevant part of the Japanese seller's formatted description as follows: 



Though looking at his last photo in that collage, I'd question their claim of 'perfect operation'. :lol:



The opening bid price was only 1 Yen, but with a reserve price. Bidding is currently at 41,551 Yen and the reserve price has still not been met. Bearing in mind that the current Japanese re-seller (who's presumably a dealer) foolishly paid $835 for it at the end of August, I'd expect his reserve price is set somewhere North of 95,000 Yen - before he turns any profit. I can see this ending with reserve not met - unless of course another mug punter comes along. :/


September 26, 2017 at 7:48 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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And they just keep on coming ! This 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 was listed yesterday afternoon by a UK eBay seller with an opening bid price of £550. The seller is an ex-serviceman who states the watch was (one of two) issued to him, but theoretically, under normal circumstances, these remain the property of HM Government and the MOD.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/182790362719



Seiko Gen 1 British Military MOD Aircrew Pilots Chronograph Watch Royal Navy, RAF, Army Air Corps. Used but in very very good condition and in FULL working order. Watch face very clean. Watch casing and glass very clean also. This watch was one of two issued and used by myself while in the Royal Navy as an Aircrewman and station with 771 Squadron Royal Navy Search & Rescue HMS Seahawk RNAS Culdrose.

This watch was only issued to UK Military Helicopter Aircrew and fast Jet Pilots.

Very hard and sought after watch and hard to find in this clean condition.

Watch will be posted FREE and by Special/Signed for delivery.


September 27, 2017 at 5:12 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The above 7-day UK eBay auction for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 was ended early by the seller, yesterday afternoon, after running for less than 3 days, because of an alleged error in the listing. Presumably the true reason is that he was the latest to succumb to the temptation of a 'back door' offer. :/


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/182790362719



In ending the auction, he automatically cancelled two bids for £566 and £616. It'll be interesting to see if eBay attempt to enforce the penalties that they've rolled out in the last year or so. See: this recently updated thread in the Members' Lounge section.


October 1, 2017 at 4:12 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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This typically average condition 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 was listed on Yahoo Japan earlier today by a 'Store' seller, as a 5-day auction with a wishful opening bid price of 100,000 Yen (92,593 Yen + 8% Japanese Sales Tax).



http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/m221784773



Google translates the Japanese seller's formatted description as follows:


October 6, 2017 at 12:16 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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It looks like UK eBay seller 24699510 still hasn't quite finished his clearout. :roll: Yesterday evening he listed yet another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 'Project' watch, with a 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of £650. :o £650 Quid for a battery acid damaged project watch, FFS. I must be missing something.  I wouldn't even consider paying that much for a working one ! 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272879296143


Seiko RAF Generation-1 Chronograph -Project watch

1990 Seiko RAF Gen-1 fully original watch with a dead movement

Here's a nice condition RAF Seiko that had a battery leak, it looks like the watch was stored face up when the battery leaked as there are none of the usual signs of a leak in the battery compartment, there is just discolouration on the top plate & case-back - apart from that a very clean watch

Dial and rehaut are perfect - like new

Hands are perfect - like new

Crystal only has a couple of light scratches

Case has a few marks, but better than average

Crown & pushers all work well + are very clean inside

Time setting is smooth

Movement looks clean with no sign of rust

Case-back gasket present

Nice easy project watch or might be worth sending to Seiko.jp for a service

Bought as seen. No returns on this watch!

(This month selling off a lot of military watches I have collected over the years, some vgc - some projects - some hard to find parts).


October 9, 2017 at 2:44 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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The above listing for his latest 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 'Project' watch by UK eBay seller 24699510 ended a few days ago (at the weekend, while the forum was down).


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272879296143



Best I can tell - and I have to say: much to my disbelief, it appears to have sold for the full £650 asking price as a Buy-it-Now. :roll:

As shown by the eBay Purchase History, there were a few lower offers made, ranging from a lowball of £99 to £601 - all summarily declined.

October 18, 2017 at 8:15 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Things have been a little quiet on eBay recently. So, given the apparently insatiable demand, I expect this average condition 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 which was advertised for sale on TZ-UK's Sales corner a little over half a hour ago, with an asking price of £750 won't hang around for very long.


http://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.php?409921 FS: Seiko RAF Gen 1




For any potential buyers who don't have access to TZ-UK's Sales Corner, here's a link to the seller's almost identical post on MWR's Post Exchange, which he made yesterday afternoon (and is referred to above).

http://www.mwrforum.net/forums/showthread.php?80912-FS-Seiko-RAF-Gen-1


October 19, 2017 at 5:26 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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A couple of updates on those two Yahoo Japan listings for 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's from higher up this page. (Both had been re-listed at least a couple of times since I first posted about them, but as is customary on YJ auctions, they retained the same item numbers).


The more recent of the two ended on Saturday, selling for ¥93,593 Yen, plus 8% Sales Tax, making a total of ¥101,080 Yen after only 2 bids. That's equivalent to approx. $887.50 USD / £673.25 GBP.


http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/m221784773




The other one ended earlier today. I'd watched a couple of the previous re-listings and remember one where it had only been bid to ¥70,000 Yen - far short of the reserve price. Yet this time around it made an astonishing ¥148,000 Yen after 24 bids. :o That's equivalent to approx. $1300 USD / £985.75 GBP !!!


http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k272400446




And Yes, you read that right - 148,000 Yen / $1300 !!   This watch is of course the very same ex-eBay 'Polished Turd', issue # 0365/84, whose previous sales history is documented in some detail higher up the page and on previous pages of this thread. Which obviously was a complete waste of time. The mind boggles (at the apparent total lack of due diligence by buyers) sometimes.


October 22, 2017 at 4:18 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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