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Seiko7A38 at October 19, 2017 at 5:26 AM

Things have been a little quiet on eBay recently. So, given the apparently insatiable demand, I expect this average condition 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 which was advertised for sale on TZ-UK's Sales corner a little over half a hour ago, with an asking price of £750 won't hang around for very long.


http://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.php?409921 FS: Seiko RAF Gen 1




For any potential buyers who don't have access to TZ-UK's Sales Corner, here's a link to the seller's almost identical post on MWR's Post Exchange, which he made yesterday afternoon (and is referred to above).

http://www.mwrforum.net/forums/showthread.php?80912-FS-Seiko-RAF-Gen-1



I'd noticed the TZ-UK seller Philjopa had added another post to his FS thread, offering a reduction from his original asking price of £750 to a 'firm' £699, presumably in an effort to make a quick sale.




That obviously didn't achieve the result he'd hoped for, because he's since listed it on eBay with a Buy-it-Now price of £850 or Best Offer.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272898635084


This was the very first military issued watch that I picked up many years ago and this is what sparked my interest in issued pieces. Sadly I seem to have lost the bug for collecting these and so this is now my only remaining issued piece.

Condition is pretty good for an issued piece as I think the pics will show. New crystal, gasket and battery in Aug-16 (receipt from Richard Askham at The Watch Spot will be supplied, together with the original parts that were changed). Dial and hands are excellent with lume intact. Chrono functions all work fine and reset properly.

Will come on a well used but still intact brown leather NATO shown which I think suits it perfectly - it came to me on the same strap and to be honest I've never found one that suits it better.

The Gen 1 was issued between 1984 and 1990 so this is one of the later issues.

For anybody not familiar with the Seiko Gen 1 and 2, have a look here:

http://home.earthlink.net/~nederick/...oRevuVulcF.htm

TY


October 23, 2017 at 4:10 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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I'm not going to bother mincing my words. Like the would-be seller, I'll go direct to the point. :P This ridiculously speculatively over-priced (and only average) example of a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 was listed yesterday by a Spanish eBay seller. The Buy-it-Now asking price is 1450 Euros or £1300 Quid in real money. :o No make offer option. Dream on. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/302499448087


If you are looking for this watch you don't need a history lesson about the 7A28 movement or the military issued Seiko watches so I'll go direct to the point.

The watch is an original unmolested example, even the crystal has not been replaced, I could do it but I think is better to preserve as it is.

The stainless steel case has very few marks and scratches, keeping the original satin finish.

Caseback has no scratches or marks.

Crystal has only micro scratches, hard to see unless pointed in the right angle.

Dial and hands are perfect, no stains or paint lost, lumen still works for minutes.

Movement working flawless.

These are the numbers stamped on the back:

6645-99

7683056

7023/88

816235

Comes with a new black NATO strap.


October 25, 2017 at 3:20 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 was listed yesterday evening by a UK eBay seller, as a 7-day auction, with an opening bid price of £750.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/182862110393



The Seiko chronograph was issued by the Royal Air Force from 1984 until 1990 and replaced the mechanical chronographs that were issued to pilots from the 1940s (initially these were supplied by Lemania although later a variety of companies supplied suitable watches). The watch is referred to within military watch circles as a Seiko RAF Gen 1 to denote it from the later Gen 2 watches which were issued after 1990.

Seiko was the first company to develop an analog-quartz chronograph in 1983, prior to this all chronographs were either mechanical or used a digital LCD display. Technically the movement (the 7A28 was a great achievement and they have a reputation for being well made and, with regular servicing, long-lasting timepieces.

One very nice feature is the 1/10th second dial next to the 3 o'clock marker - this flies round at an extraordinary rate, so fast and smooth that it looks unreal!

As with all British military-issued timepieces the watch follows stipulations laid down by the Ministry of Defence, generally this makes for a very legible and sober design. The case of the watch is different from any that Seiko offered to civilian customers - it has a matte sand-blasted finish and the overall impression is of a very nice well balanced watch (I like the size and evenness of the three sub-dials).

The watch is a good size at 38mm and the case, hands and dial are all in very good order - you’d be hard pushed to find a better example. The case back markings show the watch was issued in 1988 (5069 is the issue number /88 means issued in 1988, 6649-99 was the specification for a quartz, pilots or navigator’s chronograph wrist watch.

Case diameter (excluding winding crown): 38mm

Case material: stainless steel

Strap width: 18mm


October 29, 2017 at 2:17 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at October 22, 2017 at 4:18 PM

A couple of updates on those two Yahoo Japan listings for 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's from higher up this page. (Both had been re-listed at least a couple of times since I first posted about them, but as is customary on YJ auctions, they retained the same item numbers).


The other one ended earlier today. I'd watched a couple of the previous re-listings and remember one where it had only been bid to ¥70,000 Yen - far short of the reserve price. Yet this time around it made an astonishing ¥148,000 Yen after 24 bids. :o That's equivalent to approx. $1300 USD / £985.75 GBP !!!


http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k272400446




And Yes, you read that right - 148,000 Yen / $1300 !!   This watch is of course the very same ex-eBay 'Polished Turd', issue # 0365/84, whose previous sales history is documented in some detail higher up the page and on previous pages of this thread. Which obviously was a complete waste of time. The mind boggles (at the apparent total lack of due diligence by buyers) sometimes.



I knew that YJ auction had to have been 'fixed'. Nobody could be THAT stupid. :lol:

The 'Polished Turd' 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 is back on Yahoo Japan again. :roll:

So far it's been bid (obviously by a shill) to only 35,000 Yen after 59 bids. :o


http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k277578555


October 30, 2017 at 7:02 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I'd like to think this is the final postscript in the saga of the ex-eBay 'Polished Turd' 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, but somehow I have a nagging doubt that it won't be. That Yahoo Japan re-listing ended last week. Incredibly, once again it was bid shilled to the same ridiculous price of 148,000 Yen - except this time it took 63 bids. :roll:


http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k277578555




You know what ? :| I'm not even going to bother checking Yahoo Japan auctions to see whether it's been re-listed again. Ergo, this will be my final postscript. ;)


November 6, 2017 at 4:58 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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None of the three most recent 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's listed on eBay (see higher up this page) have sold yet. At the time of writing, the Buy-it-Now price of the first has been reduced to £799 (it currently has 86 watchers). The most recent (7-day auction) went unsold; it's been re-listed with the same £750 opening bid price.


Yesterday evening, they were joined by another, listed by a UK eBay seller, with a slightly odd opening bid price of £327.85 or the option to Buy-it-Now for £720.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/182879478783



I bought this watch around 10 years ago. Not used last few years and now ready to sell. The watch was serviced by Seiko UK 2016 and is in perfect working condition. Thanks for looking. Delivery by Royal Mail special delivery £10.00.


November 6, 2017 at 5:04 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at September 15, 2017 at 9:15 AM

Speaking of over-optimistic pricing, it would be remiss of me not to also mention that other example, previously offered by UK seller njmearme, which has gone unsold since May 11th and been re-listed sporadically since. Back once again - re-listed earlier today for the 3rd time for another 30 days, with the same 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of £999, but this time with a Make Offer option.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/282654503383


While I'm updating this thread, I suppose I should mention that the 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 offered by UK seller njmearme, which has gone unsold since May 11th, is back on eBay again, re-listed for another 30 days - same price as before. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/282725231291

November 8, 2017 at 2:06 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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The 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 originally offered for sale on TZ-UK's Sales Corner (for £750), by seller philjopa (see top of this page) which he subsequently listed on eBay with a Buy-it-Now price of £850, sold this afternoon. The seller had later reduced his Buy-it-Now price to a firm £799 - and certainly stuck by his guns.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272898635084


As can be seen from the eBay Offer / Purchase History, he declined two offers of £700 and £750 only a matter of 10 - 15 minutes before someone finally caved in and hit the Buy-it-Now button.


November 8, 2017 at 2:19 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Yesterday evening, regular UK eBay seller britishmilitarysurplus listed another non-running 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, fitted with what appears to have become his signature two-tone grey NATO, with his usual standard opening bid price of £400.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272918948391



British Military Surplus

Seiko Pilots Watch - Generation 1

Used condition

The Watch has been in active service

The Watch is not currently working

It will need a Service

The Watch is completely untested and Sold with NO Guarantee and No Warranty.


November 10, 2017 at 4:33 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 (coincidentally also fitted with a two-tone grey NATO) was listed on Yahoo Japan yesterday, with a 'Prompt Decision' Buy-it-Now price of 150,000 Yen - marginally lower than the other one which has been kicking around, re-listed ad nauseam, for a good few months.




http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/c626520068




Google translates the seller's lengthy (literally) formatted description as follows:



November 10, 2017 at 6:07 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The eBay auction for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 by UK seller 123_carpenter (see higher up this page) ended about 15 minutes ago, selling for £668 after 15 bids.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/182879478783

November 12, 2017 at 2:16 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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The latest eBay auction for a non-running 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, by regular UK eBay seller britishmilitarysurplus ended a few moments ago. Right up until the final two seconds of the 3-day listing, no bids had been placed; then someone sniped it for the opening bid price of £400.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272918948391

November 12, 2017 at 3:41 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Not to worry, there will always be another duff 7A28 Gen. 1 along to take its place. This 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 with a 'sweep second hand problem' was listed at lunchtime today by a UK eBay seller, with a possibly over-optimistic Buy-it-Now price of £495. I say that, because the watch has another issue, which can't easily be rectified and may deter potential potential buyers. Indeed, it was enough to put off a forum member who was offered this very same watch in a private sale for a rather lower figure of £275, back in May. That is, the fact that the all-important military case-back stampings have been obliterated.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/182895093217

A SEIKO 1ST GENERATION RAF PILOTS WATCH , GREAT DIAL AND CASE , ( MOD MARK REMOVED)

THE WATCH IS WORKING BUT THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THE LARGE CENTER SWEEP SECOND HAND , IT IS INTERMITTENT AND SEEMS TO GET STUCK AFTER A FEW SECONDS IF YOU WIGGLE THE HOUR HANDS IT WILL START AGAIN FOR A FEW SECONDS , IT IS EITHER THE BATTERY IS LOW POWERED HAS NOT BEEN CHANGED FOR YEARS AND WAS OK WHEN LAST WORN CIRCA 6 YEARS AGO , FUNCTIONS ETC BUT AS STATED WILL NEED LOOKING AT HENCE PRICE AND SOLD AS IS.


For those followers of this thread, who may not have seen the previous occasion this watch was discussed (it was posted in the 7Axx General Discussion area), here's a link: Seiko Gen1 7A28 - No markings?




The Seiko case-back serial number 816450 matches, needless to say. ;)


November 12, 2017 at 3:54 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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As I hope I've made it clear before, I don't watch eBay listings for 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's that closely, because they're actually of little personal interest to me. I just add them to my eBay watch list and wait for them to end. So I may have missed some of the shenanigans that appear to have gone on since my previous post about the above eBay listing. :/


Over the last couple of days the seller made a few revisions to the listing.




All previous evidence of the fault had been removed from the title and description and somehow the watch mysteriously allegedly benefitted from a service (of which no details were provided).


The latter part of the listing title was changed from SWEEP SECOND PROB to serviced gwo (good working order) and the description was reduced to simply:


A SEIKO 1ST GENERATION RAF PILOTS WATCH , GREAT DIAL AND CASE AND GLASS , ( MOD MARK REMOVED)

SERVICED PERFECT WORKING ORDER - FIXED BARS.


There also appear to have been two changes made to the Buy-it-Now price, which increased from the previous £495 (that I saw) to £625. An hour or so after the last revision was made, yesterday morning, the seller ended the listing  due to an alleged error, as happens all too frequently. 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/182895093217



November 15, 2017 at 8:24 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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What is it with these odd auction opening bid prices set by some eBay sellers all of a sudden ? :/ Ten days ago another UK seller listed his 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 with an opening bid price of £327.85 and now there's this one, which was listed yesterday evening with an opening bid price of £219.54. 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/322887584778



The holy grail of watches for both military collectors and watch collectors for its renowned movement, has the great patina of nearly 30 years of use and comes with a bond nato strap. The only downside is the second hand on the chronograph sticks when in use. The sub dials continue to function and are 100% accurate, possibly a good service would fix this?


November 17, 2017 at 6:37 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The above UK eBay auction for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 ended yesterday evening, selling for £475.00 after 20 bids. Nice round numbers. :P


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/322887584778


November 24, 2017 at 9:36 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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This 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 'head only' was listed earlier this evening by a UK eBay seller, with a Buy-it-Now price of £899.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232573958380


SEIKO P RAF Military Watch chronograph

GENTS WATCH JAPAN MADE

Ready to wear & join your collection

This watch received a full service


November 24, 2017 at 6:44 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Here's another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 that was listed a couple of hours later, as a 10-day no reserve auction with an opening bid price of £0.99. It's been shall we say creatively photographed to appeal to the military enthusiast and is described in glowing and extremely lengthy terms ad nauseam by the seller. In fact, he goes on about it so much, I'm not sure whether I can be arsed to copy and paste it all. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162772966010



CLICK on our images for best and [Full Screen] view

British Military ISSUED SEIKO Ref. 7A28-7120

British Military RAF Pilots Chronograph Watch

Gulf War Era Issued 1989

Full SEIKO Service & ALL ORIGINAL

Well, we like to hunt for find and bring to market the best, like the absolute best of the best and with this 1989 issue SEIKO Pilots Chronograph id like to think we've done just that!

History

British Military wristwatches supplied by the Seiko Corporation

The Seiko Corporation began supplying the British Forces with wristwatches in the mid 1980's and they continue to do so today. (as the Sub Brand Pulsar Now Seiko Owned)

The first generation RAF issued Seiko chronograph

The first RAF issued Seiko chronograph was procured between the dates of October 1984 and November 1990. During that timeframe, 11,307 pieces of this particular model were supplied by the Seiko Corporation to the British Armed Forces.

This watch, constructed of stainless steel, housed the highly regarded, fifteen jewelled, quartz powered 7A28 Seiko movement. This model has three pushers, The top right pusher starts and stops the chronograph functions of the watch. The top left pusher stops and starts the chronograph for recording split times. The bottom right pusher resets the chronograph counters to zero.

The first generation RAF issued Seiko chronograph

The first RAF issued Seiko chronograph was procured between the dates of October 1984 and November 1990. During that timeframe, 11,307 pieces of this particular model were supplied by the Seiko Corporation to the British Armed Forces.

This watch, constructed of stainless steel, housed the highly regarded, fifteen jewelled, quartz powered 7A28 Seiko movement. This model has three pushers, The top right pusher starts and stops the chronograph functions of the watch. The top left pusher stops and starts the chronograph for recording split times. The bottom right pusher resets the chronograph counters to zero.

The 7A28 (posibly Seikos greatest ever contribution to 21st century watchmaking an a total grail to Seiko and military colectors so there will be a hefty chunk of info here!)

A LOT of this (below is ripped straight of the brilliant Blog / Site "TheSpringbar" if you don't know them LOOK THEM UP and you can follow them on Instagram (and us too for that matter).


O.K. So I won't bother copying that load of mis-informed crap, then. :P

Here's where the seller gets back onto the subject of the watch in question:


THE CASE

So, I think we've covered a fair bit but just to recap, the case is 37mm wide excluding crown / pushers but slim at only 9.4mm tall 44mm lug tip to lug tip and has a 20mm lug spacing. Case is in SUPERB all Original Condition All Matte Bead blasted Satin finish UNPOLISHED all parts including crown, pushers, gasket(s), Crystal etc are all original SEIKO with no modifications edits or alterations, The Watch has NEVER been repolished.

Military Markings Explained:

6645 British MoD RAF Wristwatch

99 NATO code for UK

7683056 Nato Specification MSN Number

9042 = is the watches UNIQUE ID Number

/89 = issued in 1989

The Dial

The black dial features a somewhat traditional aviator configuration found on numerous mil-spec watches: a legible hour track Arabic Numeral "12", Skeleton "Pencil" hands inset with luminous compound, an outer railroad track for the minutes.

Over at 3 is the “SEIKO” logo and an encircled (P) indicating the presence of Promethium Lume (later examples (Gen 2 will be L (luminova)) .

The Band

A used but well matched NATO speciffication One piece Nylon Weave Watch Strap in Olive Drab

The Movement

Gen. 1 model has three pushers and has all the usual chronograph functions including: split times and 1/10 sec timing, as well as second and minute indicators up to 30 minutes.

A wonderful idiosyncrasy of the Gen 1 chronograph occurs with the register at the 3 o'clock position. This sub-dial measures tenths of a second actively until 10 minutes have passed. At this point the register stops actively measuring time, even though it keeps track within the movement. Once the chronograph is stopped the hand will move to the correct position indicating the tenths of a second that have elapsed. I suppose this was a power saving feature, but it is puzzling until you learn what is going on.

Chronograph; Continous Seconds; 1/10 seconds; 

60 seconds 30 min; Stepper motor 15 jewels ..........


Indeed at that point, I decided enough was enough. I'm beginning to fall asleep. 


November 24, 2017 at 8:18 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at November 8, 2017 at 2:06 PM

Seiko7A38 at September 15, 2017 at 9:15 AM

Speaking of over-optimistic pricing, it would be remiss of me not to also mention that other example, previously offered by UK seller njmearme, which has gone unsold since May 11th and been re-listed sporadically since. Back once again - re-listed earlier today for the 3rd time for another 30 days, with the same 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of £999, but this time with a Make Offer option.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/282654503383


While I'm updating this thread, I suppose I should mention that the 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 offered by UK seller njmearme, which has gone unsold since May 11th, is back on eBay again, re-listed for another 30 days - same price as before. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/282725231291


Checking my eBay watching page, I noticed that the 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 which had been re-listed since May 11th, by UK seller njmearme has finally sold earlier this evening.


Not for the full £999 asking price, but as shown by WatchCount.com's Look-up tool against an offer for £900.



As confirmed by the eBay Offer / Purchase History:



I suspect the earlier declined offer of £950 was very likely a counter-offer made by the seller (declined by the eventual buyer). In reporting offer history, eBay seems incapable of differentiating beween the two. :roll:
 
November 25, 2017 at 6:18 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Here's another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 'Head Only' listed earler this evening by a US eBay seller, with a Buy-it-Now price of $999 or best offer.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162774147702



The name says it all!!! Seiko RAF Gen 1 7A28!!! This is an awesome watch! All functions work, keeps excellent time, all hands reset perfect. There is some light pitting in the caseback (see picture) also light scratches on crystal. It has a new caseback seal but I can't guarantee water resistance. Movement looks to be in great shape! It's a good watch, I'll be sad to sell this one but I'm trying to save for a down payment for a house and this money will be going towards that. Please ask any questions you might have. Please no international shipping or shipping to PO boxes. Thanks for looking!


November 25, 2017 at 6:55 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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