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It's not as if there weren't already enough speculatively over-priced 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's still unsold on eBay. :roll: Earlier this evening, they were joined by another, listed by a Spanish eBay seller, with a risible 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now Price of 1400 Euros !! 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/302704046485


If you are looking for this watch you don't need a history lesson about the 7A28 movement or the military issued Seiko watches so I'll go direct to the point.

The watch is an original unmolested example, only the glass will be replace before shipping for a sapphire one.

The stainless steel case still in great shape, has a few marks and scratches, keeping the original satin finish. Please study the photographs as they are the best description.

Dial and hands are perfect, no stains or paint lost, lumen still works for minutes.

All functions working as it should but it is a 34 year watch with a complex movement and unknown service history, I can't guarantee it but I can show video proof that actually it is working, not a single problem with it since I have it.

These are the numbers stamped on the back:

6645-99

7683056

1829/84

481998

Comes with a green NATO strap.


April 13, 2018 at 3:48 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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This rather more modestly priced example of a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, fitted with a leather strap, instead of the almost obligatory NATO, was listed earlier this evening by a UK eBay seller, as a 7-day auction, with an odd choice of opening bid price of £363 - and it has to be said, a couple of hopelessly out-of-focus photos. The case-back shot, which I've uploaded for your consideration, is a classic example of 'How not to'.  Fuzzy photo gamble, anybody ? 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/123079681345



Seiko chronograph Gen 1 RAF-issued 6645-99 7683056 2507 / 84 not sure if this is working the glass is scratched hence the low start.


April 15, 2018 at 7:09 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at March 10, 2018 at 6:42 AM

I nearly missed spotting this 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, which was listed by a UK eBay seller 4 days ago. For some reason, it wasn't picked up by any of my four 'Gen 1' saved searches and as I tend to only search manually on just 'Seiko 7A28' about once a week - I only just found it. :roll:


It does appear to be in rather better condition than your average abused 'Gen 1', with only minor nicks around the bezel and remarkably straight fixed bars - but  £1200 Quid ? 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/183112408608


Checking my eBay watching page, I noticed the above 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, originally listed over a month ago, with a 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of £1200, had finally sold yesterday - as a Buy-it-Now, but for the reduced figure of £1030.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/183112408608


The eBay Offer History shows that the seller had declined an offer of £950 earlier yesterday, although over the last month or so, other potential buyers appear to have thought it was worth less. :/



April 17, 2018 at 2:42 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at April 12, 2018 at 6:46 AM

That Thai eBay seller seems determined to sell his 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 - at any price. His most recent 7-day auction listing, with an opening bid price of $999, ended yesterday without any bids placed. He's since re-listed it as another 7-day auction, with an opening bid price of only $9.99 and no reserve. Kudos to him !


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/263601299257



The Thai eBay seller's re-listed 7-day auction for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 'Head Only' ended a few moments ago, selling for $751 after 33 bids. 


April 18, 2018 at 1:39 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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The 7-day UK eBay auction for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 fitted with a leather strap ended a few moments ago, selling for £496 after 10 bids.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/123079681345

April 22, 2018 at 1:39 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at April 13, 2018 at 3:48 PM

It's not as if there weren't already enough speculatively over-priced 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's still unsold on eBay. :roll: Earlier this evening, they were joined by another, listed by a Spanish eBay seller, with a risible 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now Price of 1400 Euros !! 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/302704046485


Of course, all it ever takes is for some numpty to hit the Buy-it-Now button. :roll:

Sold yesterday morning - for the 1400 Euros Buy-it-Now price !! 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/302704046485


April 28, 2018 at 4:13 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I've only just spotted this 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, which was listed on Yahoo Japan yesterday as a 2-day auction, with an opening bid price of 150,000 Yen. From the seller's photos, it appears to be in better cosmetic condition than most, with just a couple of shallow dings in the bezel. The auction ends in 40 minutes.




http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/o235317531



Google translates the Japanese seller's description as follows:


Thank you for lookinging m (__) m

Details: It is a military watch produced by Seiko for the British military. It is a pretty rare premier item.

Condition: As shown in the image, there are some scratches on the bezel, scratches on the back cover and the glass. The belt is outside the company.

Machine: Quartz chronograph. March 2018 The battery has been replaced. The time is moving consistently, the chronograph also works normally.

Size: Watch part width 37 mm (excluding crown). Lag width 20 mm.

Accessory: Seiko's box is attached, but the part of the hinge is broken. I do not know if it was of the time.

● It may be overdue for reasons such as business trips. In that case I am writing in the self-introduction column so please check.


Edit: It didn't sell first time around and it looks like the Japanese seller has set it to automatically re-list every 24 hours. :roll:


April 29, 2018 at 8:46 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Following the current trend of speculative over-pricing, this 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 Head Only was listed earlier this afternoon by a UK eBay seller, with a typically over-optimistic 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of  £1200.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/253600022084


The brief description merely states:

Excellent. Fully functioning with near perfect crystal.


Which is more than can be said for the MOD case-back stampings. I don't think I've ever seen a set so badly off-centre. :/


May 3, 2018 at 10:10 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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This 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 was listed yesterday evening by a UK eBay seller, as a 7-day auction with an opening bid price of £0.99. By lunchtime today (May Bank Holiday Monday), bidding is already @ £375 and the listing has over 40 watchers.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232758151109



Good condition Seiko RAF Gen 1 military issued chronograph.

I fitted a new battery and all the functions work fine and it keeps time, comes with a new NATO strap

37mm diameter case

I uploaded a video showing the chronograph starting, stopping and resetting.

£0.99p start and no reserve / no buy it now

Free UK shipping via Royal Mail Special Delivery (insured and trackable) or you can collect from London SE5

Happy to post internationally.


Incidentally, if you click on the link to his very short YouTube video, you'll see the seller is Crispin Jones, a London-based watchmaker. See: mrjoneswatches.com. I'm almost certain I've mentioned one of his previous 7A28 RAF Gen.1 offerings in this thread somewhere before, but can't find it at the moment. I had a quick search though the archived sales section of his website and found this page, which looks very familiar. Crispin is of course a member of this forum, as our second 'MrJones' - hence the use of his own design 'Last Laugh Tattoo' watch as his avatar. He's evidently an enthusiast of the 7A28 RAF Gen. 1, who is obviously quite capable of servicing and repairing them - see this thread, which he started when he first joined the forum in October 2016.


May 7, 2018 at 7:37 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Late this morning, another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 was listed by another UK eBay seller, whom I believe has also previouly featured in this thread - rjpsales3282. It's typically speculatively over-priced, particularly in view of the seller's admission that it needs a service, with a 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of £1100. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/112979087926


Seiko 7a28-7120 RAF Gen 1

In good condition - 100% original

Needs a service - pushers stick and Chrono doesn’t function correct or reset correctly.

Price serviced - £1100

Price Pre service as shown - £900

Many thanks and any questions do let me know.


May 7, 2018 at 9:52 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at May 3, 2018 at 10:10 AM

Following the current trend of speculative over-pricing, this 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 Head Only was listed earlier this afternoon by a UK eBay seller, with a typically over-optimistic 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of  £1200.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/253600022084


That 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 'Head Only', with the uncharacteristically off-centre MOD case-back stampings sold yesterday evening .... but not quite for the seller's over-optimistic Buy-it-Now price of £1200.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/253600022084



WatchCount.com's Look-up tool reveals it sold for an offer of £200 less.




As confirmed by the eBay Purchase History:

May 9, 2018 at 11:18 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at April 6, 2018 at 4:55 AM

That same 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 which has now been re-listed ad nauseam on Yahoo Japan for over a year - see my post higher up this page (of March 30, 2018 @ 8:35 PM) was listed on eBay in the early hours of this morning, presumably by the same person, but using a Japanese proxy selling service, with an absolutely ludicrous Buy-it-Now price of  $2180  (or the option to make an offer). $2180 USD equates to 234,168 Yen at current exchange rates (compared to the 151,000 Yen asking price on Yahoo Japan), so that's an additional mark-up of 55% on a price that already hasn't sold in a year. 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/282913849587


Needless to say, with that ludicrous asking price, the Japanese seller's 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 went unsold. That 30-day listing ended a few days ago. Looks like he has dispensed with the services of the 'middle man' and may have listed it on eBay himself - or as I rather suspect, using a cheaper proxy seller. The 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price is down to 'only' $1711, which equates to ¥187,191 Yen at today's exchange rate. That compares to the ¥151,000 Yen he's still stubbornly re-listing it at over on Yahoo Japan. :roll:


http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/e275887742




http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/263680252879


SEIKO British RAF Military GEN.1 chronograph watch made in Japan

Product Details

SEIKO 's British Air Force RAF' s GEN. 1 (7A28 - 7120) chronograph watch.

SEIKO was requested to manufacture from MOD (UK Ministry of Defense)

It was supplied from October 1984 to November 1990.

This item became the British Army's first quartz clock.

The "P" mark on the dial indicates that promethium is used as a luminescent paint.

The number released by the British army is limited, even in the UK is rare.

On the back lid

SEIKO STAINLESS STEEL WATER RESISTANT JAPAN S

7A28 - 7120 A0

6645-99

7683056

Broad Arrow Mark

9152/89

954144

There is an engraved mark.

For everyday use, of course, it is perfect for collections.


May 12, 2018 at 2:46 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at May 7, 2018 at 7:37 AM

This 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 was listed yesterday evening by a UK eBay seller, as a 7-day auction with an opening bid price of £0.99. By lunchtime today (May Bank Holiday Monday), bidding is already @ £375 and the listing has over 40 watchers.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232758151109


The 7-day auction by UK seller crispin-jones ended a few moments ago, with bidding jumping from £662 in the final 10 seconds, to sell for £920 after 36 bids.


May 13, 2018 at 3:45 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Regular UK business seller britishmilitarysurplus seems to have finally latched onto the fact that 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's have been selling for higher prices recently. Yesterday evening, he listed another non-runner, as a 3-day auction, with his customary £400 opening bid price - but this time with a Buy-it-Now option of £1000. I think it's safe to predict the almost inevitable outcome. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/401537599652


British Military Surplus

SEIKO Generation 1 - Pilot Watch

Genuine Issue Military Watch

Issued in 1989- Not currently working - Will need a service

Good condition Seiko Royal Navy Helicopter Pilot’s watch.

Some marks to the case from normal military use.

The watch was originally issued in 1984 and due to being a military issue, has usual marks on it as one would expect. It is a very desirable and highly collectible watch due to the fact that it is a practical and functional watch and the choice of the British Armed Forces for use with the helicopter pilots.

Another thing adding to the collectability is the rarity of the watch, there were issued in no doubt in many numbers but not many survived life outside the armed forces where servicemen were required to give watches back once retired from the forces, on some occasions they could buy them if they wanted to keep them but not many servicemen took up this option. Genuine military issue item for the UK armed forces.

It is made in Japan with Japanese made quartz movement. It has a sandblasted all stainless steel case with fixed bars for operational security reasons. The dial is mat black with subsidiary seconds at the 6 position, the thirty minute elapsed timer at 9 and the 1/10th second elapsed timer at the 3 position. When the chronograph is activated, the 10th second timer moves straight into action in a very fast rotation. The inner bezel has sixty second markings, and the chronograph sixty second recorder is the sweep hand. . Width is 38 mm excluding crown and 40 mm including crown and pushers. Lug to lug is 43 mm and thickness is 9 mm.

The Watch is Sold with No Warranty and No Guarantee

The Watch is not currently running However due to its age The Watch WILL NEED A SERVICE

The Watch is Sold as Untested


May 16, 2018 at 3:48 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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As I'd inferred, the outcome wasn't exactly difficult to predict, but it wasn't actually until the final half hour that someone placed an opening bid and killed the ludicrous Buy-it-Now. The auction ended a few moments ago, selling for £530 after 3 bids.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/401537599652

May 18, 2018 at 3:35 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Yesterday evening, regular UK eBay seller britishmilitarysurplus listed another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1. Same format and pricing as the previous one, except this example is actually running. It's probably safe to predict a similar result.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/302745297470


British Military Surplus

SEIKO Generation 1 - Pilot Watch

Genuine Issue Military Watch

Issued in 1989- The Watch is currently Running - However due to its age it will need a service

Ditto - same spiel as used in previous listing.

The Watch is Sold with No Warranty and No Guarantee

The Watch is Sold as Untested


May 22, 2018 at 5:00 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The above 3-day auction for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 by regular UK eBay seller britishmilitarysurplus ended yesterday evening, in a predictably similiar manner to the previous one, selling for £551 after 4 bids.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/302745297470

May 25, 2018 at 9:38 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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This 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, Head Only, with 'provenance' (in terms of missing the smashed crystal) was listed yesterday evening by a UK eBay seller as a 5-day auction, with an opening bid price of £100.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/253648921121


Selling my original issue, Royal Air Force Pilots Watch. Circa 1988

This is the SIEKO 7A28-7120, Gen 1, NSN 6645-99-768-3056

Has Crows Foot on Rear of case with S/N 6760/88 dating it to 1988

Below that it has the number 814020

The Glass is missing, while flying in 1994 during High G aero's I banged the face against a frame in cockpit and the glass broke, it has been stored in a plastic case since then. The second hand and minute hand have a slight bend in them , otherwise in Very Good Condition, No Strap.

I'm sure a replacement glass can be fitted by a jeweller/watchmaker.

Sadly time to let it go

On 26-May-18 at 22:47:53 BST, seller added the following information:

The watch was working when I last flew with it in 1994 when it suffered the glass face breakage during flight, Since then the watch has been stored in a plastic case, The hands do move when turning the time setting knob,minute hand and second hand do have slight bend in them from when glass broke, the battery has gone flat since then.


May 27, 2018 at 10:51 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at May 7, 2018 at 9:52 AM

Late this morning, another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 was listed by another UK eBay seller, whom I believe has also previouly featured in this thread - rjpsales3282. It's typically speculatively over-priced, particularly in view of the seller's admission that it needs a service, with a 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of £1100. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/112979087926


Yesterday afternoon, UK eBay seller rjpsales3283 ended his listing for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 as 'item no longer available'. Another inconclusive result. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/112979087926



May 28, 2018 at 9:49 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Eleven Hundred Quid seems to be becoming an increasingly popular number, when holding a lightly moistened finger aloft. Here's yet another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 Head Only listed yesterday evening by UK eBay seller prices4u2nv:roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/132640698152


Here is a serviced British Military SEIKO 7A28-7120 stamped 10679/90, meaning it was Gulf War era issued in 1990.

The watch is in superb and original condition, considering where it has been. The case appears unpolished and the movement works exactly as it should, all functions start/stop and reset as designed. Following a clean and new battery, the watch runs perfectly. The pushers are clean and not sticky, and the dial is superb with original hour/minute and subdial hands. These are becoming harder to find in this condition. Thewatch is offered with 12 months mechanicalguarantee.

Movement: 7A28 chronograph, continuous Seconds, 1/10seconds, 60 seconds, 30 min.

6645: British MoD RAF Wristwatch, 99: NATO code for UK, 7683056: Nato Specification MSN number, 10679: I.D number, 90: issued in 1990.

Case: 37mm.

Lugs: 20mm fixed bars.

Return period if watch is not accurately described. Buyer pays costs.


May 29, 2018 at 9:31 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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