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Jota
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Congrats for the catches, Paul. I know you will strongly disagree, but the fact is this one's probably my favourite one of all.

December 14, 2013 at 10:42 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Hola Julio. I think you must have misunderstood / misread something. :/

I may have dallied with the idea of buying a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 recently. Yes I'll admit to having placed half-hearted bids on a few - and come close to winning one eBay auction (a 'fixer-upper' - out-sniped by another forum member), but I still don't own one myself.

So what I wrote at the beginning of the first page still holds true:


O.K. so they're not my cuppa tea; I'll never understand the attraction myself ....


December 14, 2013 at 11:52 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Jota
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Ah, I got it now: I wrongly thought Simon's message was yours. So, congrats, Sir Alan! As far as you are concerned, Paul, I suppose you realize you will eventually fall for them, it is apparently only a matter of time. The prices are, no doubt, out of proportion. Not being a collector myself, I doubt I would ever pay such sums for the watch.

December 14, 2013 at 1:04 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at October 14, 2013 at 6:09 PM

 

White Man from North with Red Indian Native American  eBay user ID* - Him speak with forked tongue !  


No scalps taken on that first job lot of three 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's from the lodge of Big Chief Bull Rarely Seen.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310762280717


Re-listed 5 minutes later: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310769516848 and again, 10 days later: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310777592797

And again in November: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310786349987 and again, 10 days later: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310795068817

Yet again in November: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310804266896 and again in December: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151181275458



Just working back through my eBay watching page, deleting old entries that have been re-listed - some many times over.
This job lot of three 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's from mid-October are still unsold two months later. Hardly a surprise, really. 

Latest re-listing, earlier today (and updated):


December 14, 2013 at 1:15 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Seiko7A38 at December 13, 2013 at 3:00 PM

There'll always be plenty more ....


Another opportunist eBay seller looking for a Monkey (in more ways than one) for his 7A28-7120 RAF and / or NAVY Gen 1.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310820364913



Seiko Military Issue Chronograph Watch Generation 1 RAF/NAVY 7A28-7120 89' Model


Seiko Military Issue Chronograph Watch 

Generation 1 Model

Serial No; 8472/89 (meaning it was the 8472th issued that year, 1989)

Model: 7A28-7120 

The watch is in a Excellent used condition. 

All functions working as they should. 

Watch Glass has no marks scratches & Case only has very minimal wear.

This was obviously very much looked after & cared for (please inspect photos carefully). 

New Renata battery & case back gasket fitted using Seiko's own silicon sealing grease throughout. 

Comes with a new, never worn genuine military issue 'NATO' strap (please see photos). 

Many years of precise timekeeping with no hassle. 

Please inspect all photos throughly before bidding.



That one just sold a few minutes ago for the £500 Buy-it-Now asking price. :o


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310820364913

December 15, 2013 at 3:13 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Collector at December 13, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Item #261353107060
The poor quality images make it almost impossible for me to bid! Moreover, there isn't an image of the back. Urgh. Annoying. The seller needs lessons on marketing.

Item #310820364913
Looks to be in rough shape. I'd rather pay £15 more for the other one (assuming no one else bids). But then again, your monkey comment has scarred me, so I may have to wait for a better deal to come along.


Agreed on the second one. Whoever bought it can't have looked that closely at the seller's photos - there was even what looked like rust around the bottom R.H. spring bar mounting.


December 15, 2013 at 3:16 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Would-be eBay seller rigsbydidjones listing for his 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 ended just after midday today - with the watch unsold:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171189958620



5 minutes later, it was back, re-listed, with the Buy-it-Now reduced to 'only' £500.

Note: this re-listing is for 30 days, rather than just 10 days of the previous listing.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171196820537

December 16, 2013 at 7:28 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Urgh, that buffoon, rigsbydidjones, is really irritating my complexion with his over-inflated prices. I hope no one bids again! But I'm doubtful.

It's one of the nicest examples of a Gen 1 I've seen in a long time. The back casing is in really good condition, which is rare. But I refuse to pay the £500 asking price out of principle!



December 16, 2013 at 1:44 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Ha, I spoke too soon, looks like the listing has ended! Unfortunate!

December 16, 2013 at 2:09 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Holy moly, another cowboy asking for £999. Most ridiculous asking price to date, perhaps? It's also in borderline average condition, but the seller has the audacity to describe it as "mint condition" :roll:

December 17, 2013 at 8:10 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Indeed. :roll: Another high low for greed / crass stupidity / fanciful description. 


Anyway, just for the record .... Here it was:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181283833812


 

The first generation RAF issued Seiko chronograph. This is a 1984 watch, which is when these watches were first produced.

 

This watch is in mint condition with the original strap. The mineral glass has no scratches on it and the rest of the watch is in extremely good condition with only the slightest signs of use. The watch back has some scratches where the jeweler who replaced the battery, slipped with the tool he was using. Although the scratches aren’t too bad, they are noticeable on the back as seen in the pictures. All the dials work perfectly and keep time well. Because this is one of the early watches, it is harder to find than some later ones.

 

The first RAF issued Seiko chronograph was procured between the dates of October 1984 and November 1990. During that timeframe, 11,307 pieces of this particular model were supplied by the Seiko Corporation to the British Armed Forces.

 

This watch, constructed in stainless steel, housed the highly regarded, fifteen jewelled, quartz powered 7A28 Seiko movement. This model has three pushers, The top right pusher starts and stops the chronograph functions of the watch. The top left pusher stops and starts the chronograph for recording split times. The bottom right pusher resets the chronograph counters to zero.

 

The dial registers record the following information: 

The register at 3 records intervals of one tenth of a second. Once the chronographhas been running for 10 minutes, this hand stops revolving although does record the final one tenth of a second position once the chronograph is halted. 

The register at 9 is the 30 minute counter. 

The register at 6 is continuous seconds – i.e. running all of the time regardless of the chronograph function being used or not.

 

The dial is illuminated by Promethium. The case measures 38mm across, excluding the crown, and has a lug width of 20mm. Fixed strap bars are fitted as standard. The glass is mineral with a Seiko reference of 300WF0GN00.

 

The NSN for the watch is 6645-99-7683056. An issue number of 1001 and year of 1984 completes the military markings on the case back.


.... and there it was, gone - less than 24 hours later: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181283833812



The one offer recieved - and summarily declined was for £450, which given the condition, I would have thought more than generous:


http://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsLogin&item=181283833812

December 18, 2013 at 11:10 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at December 13, 2013 at 8:39 AM

But don't worry if someone else caves in and goes for it at the opening bid price of £515. There'll always be plenty more. ;)


Here's another 7A28-7120 listed as RN rather than RAF, with an opening bid of only 1p and no reserve:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261353107060



Presenting Seiko Generation 1 RN Helicopter Pilot’s Watch – Military Issue 1988

 

This is a stunning watch

 

Has been well kept with light use The watch will be well packed, and comes with the NATO strap and presentation box as pictured.

 

The watch is 1988 issue and this is reflected on the reverse which has the code:7073/88

 

there are some issues with the chronograph function as follows:

-the second counter of the chronograph (which is actually the second hand on the main dial) is in reset position at 56 minutes

-the minute counter of the chronograph is in reset position at 8 minutes and currently does not appear to progress once the chronograph is engaged

 

These are the issue as at the point I am testing this watch - I have only ever used it for keeping time of which it has never had any issues

 

I would expect a very basic service might allow this watch to be brought to full functionality but based on the above this watch is sold as seen so please ask any questions prior to placing a bid on the auction. and please check out my feedback for full assurance of a smooth, genuine sale.

 

The watch was originally issued in 1988 and due to being a military issue, has usual marks on it as one would expect. It is a very desirable and highly collectible watch due to the fact that it is a practical and functional watch and the choice of the British Armed Forces for use with the helicopter pilots. Another thing adding to the collectability is the rarity of the watch, there were issued in no doubt in many numbers but not many survived life outside the armed forces where servicemen were required to give watches back once retired from the forces, on some occasions they could buy them if they wanted to keep them but not many servicemen took up this option. Genuine military issue item for the UK armed forces. If it is good enough for them, it is certainly good enough for everyday use. These are getting increasingly harder to find and as a result the prices are climbing. It is made in Japan with Japanese made quartz movement. It has a sandblasted all stainless steel case with fixed bars for operational security reasons. The dial is mat black with subsidiary seconds at the 6 position, the thirty minute elapsed timer at 9 and the 1/10th second elapsed timer at the 3 position. When the chronograph is activated, the 10th second timer moves straight into action in a very fast rotation. The inner bezel has sixty second markings, and the chronograph sixty second recorder is the sweep hand. This is comfortable to wear, and an excellent watch. Issue numbers on the case back are as follows 6645 -99, then 7683056, the broad arrow mark, then under that, 7073/88. Width is 38 mm excluding crown and 40 mm including crown and pushers. Lug to lug is 43 mm and thickness is 9 mm


Lousy photos and possibly some easily remedied chrono' faults - might be worth someone (capable of basic repairs) taking a gamble.  



Meanwhile, back in the real world, this 7A28-7120 (carried over from the previous page) sold yesterday evening for £382 after 11 bids:


December 18, 2013 at 11:22 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at December 7, 2013 at 8:54 AM

Getting back on topic - asking and selling prices for 7A28-7120 RAF (or RN) Gen. 1's ....

The eBay auction for that RN 7A28-7120 with the obliterated serial numbers / blue painted case-back ended a few moments ago:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121225853776



Yup. Yours truly was the high bidder @ £123 - less than half the seller's £250 reserve price. Thought someone might have outbid me.



The seller must have lowered his reserve price (from the previous £250), because that 7A28-7120 sold for £185 this morning:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121235128596


The selling price represents something of a bargain (in relative terms of Gen. 1's) if you discount the dis-figured painted case-back.

Not me. I was still in the Land of Nod at 8:00am this morning. 

December 20, 2013 at 6:09 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at December 12, 2013 at 5:29 AM

Seiko7A38 at November 6, 2013 at 4:07 AM

I hadn't bothered mentioning it previously, but ....

In a similar vein, though not so blatantly greedy, patriotic flag-waving seller naiscs2005 had reduced his B-I-N price from £550 to £525:

It still went unsold: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121188879474



In his current 30-day re-listing, the Buy-it-Now price has been further reduced to £500:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121208882630


I hadn't previously posted an update on that particular listing but it did subsequently sell for £500:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121208882630


Not sure if this is the same 1990 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 offered by seller naiscs2005 or another @ the same £500 asking price:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121243939182



No, it's not - different (1990) issue / serial number. Also in the second head-on photo the hands lume is moldy, or as the seller puts it: 

The original dial is excellent and the hands have wabi / ageing to them.




He also writes in the listing description:

Chronograph pushers operate correctly, but to be completely open, the reset button is a bit stiff, but could be easily addressed if required.

Damned decent of him to be so completely open, but a pity that he seems incapable of sorting out the sticky pusher for that price. :roll:


Didn't seem to matter too much to somebody - because two days later they paid his asking price. 

December 29, 2013 at 1:10 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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I think we all agree that 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's are anything but rare. But it's very unusual to see one listed by a Filipino eBay seller.

This one, which looks quite tidy, apart from the scratch on the bottom L.H. lug was listed last night by Watchcooking, a.k.a. José Sotto.

For some reason, it didn't come up in my search on ebay.co.uk yesterday evening - I found it searching on ebay.com this morning:


http://www.ebay.com/itm/370971823563




Here's just 4 of José's photos embedded in the listing description - many are quite similar:



Although he doesn't mention it in his description, one might question whether the crown fitted was original. Looks a little too shallow. :/


December 30, 2013 at 4:50 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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And they just keep on coming.  Another allegedly 'very rare' one. :roll: First eBay listing for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 of 2014:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121245724597


This is a genuine military issue Seiko Gen 1 7A28-7120 watch.

The watch was manufactured in 1986, and was left to me by my Grandfather when he passed away.

I understand that these watches are very rare, as only around 11,000 were produced.


There are a few minor scratches to the face and the back of the watch which are a direct result of general wear and tear, and consistent with its age. I will also include a new military strap to go with the watch.

 

I will ship to the UK only. This is a three day auction. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.


January 1, 2014 at 10:45 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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That auction for a 'very rare' (not) 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 just ended a few moments ago.

With 5 minutes to go, there were still only two bids placed, with the reserve price met @ £325 ....


But if you'd looked at the bidding - you'd have seen both bids were placed by a newbie zero-feedback bidder. Suspicious. 



However, that didn't seem to deter the three snipers who bid in the last 10 seconds of the auction. It sold for £408 after 5 bids:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121245724597

January 4, 2014 at 8:32 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Speaking of abuse of the word 'Rare' in the context of these very commonly seen watches  .... 

White Man from North with Red Indian Native American  eBay user ID* - Him speak with forked tongue !  

No scalps taken on that first job lot of three 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's from the lodge of Big Chief Bull Rarely Seen.


Our Red Indian Native American named eBay seller from Oop North is at it again. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151202471287


A 1990 SEIKO PILOTS WATCH, SPOT ON FOR THE GULF CONFLICT. NSN is 66499-768 3056 SERIAL No is 9996 YOM is 1990 Has what looks like a new strap, looks to keep good time and would without doubt benefit from a clean and service as I cannot verify that all the additional functions work corretly. Very few of these Generation one SEIKO chrono's seen for sale now.


Apart from he's obviously not been following this thread (or is going blind) ....

The funniest thing is: if you run a search on Seiko RAF that new listing is right above his current re-listing for his other job lot of 3 !! :lol:


January 4, 2014 at 8:57 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Not that I've ever seen a fake one, personally, but another 'GENUINE' 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 was listed this on eBay this afternoon:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171209658078


 

THIS IS A GENUINE ISSUE RAF/RN/AAC AIRCREW WATCH.

SEIKO. MADE OF STAINLESS STEEL & WATER RESISTANT.

 

WATCH REQUIRES A NEW BATTERY BUT WAS WORKING ABSOLUTELY FINE AND KEEPING EXCELLENT TIME. WATCH IS IN VERY GOOD CONDITION WITH MINIMAL SCRATCHES ON STAINLESS STEEL AND VERY LIGHT SCRATCH ON THE FACE. COMES WITH MoD ISSUE CANVAS STRAP.


January 4, 2014 at 5:35 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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José 'Watchcooking' Sotto's 7-day eBay auction for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 (see my post above dated December 30th) just ended.

Bidding had stalled at $480 a couple of days ago; it ended in a 3-way sniper shoot-out, selling for $699 (approx £425) after 22 bids.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/370971823563

January 5, 2014 at 3:39 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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