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Seiko7A38 at January 24, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Dunno why I'm even bothering to mention this listing. :roll:

The fact that this eBay business seller couldn't wait to take his own photos and is currently using a borrowed stock image from

Ned Frederick's website, but still has the gall to ask £350 for a non-runner in the meantime, just about sums it up in my book ! 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121261002622


SEIKO GEN 1 RAF MILITARY WATCH 1984 

 

Watch stopped working a few years ago and a new battery never solved the problem. 

It has been sat in a drawer for 5 years and not sure what this is worth? 

I will make some enquiries and update the listing accordingly. 

 

I have been informed by Seiko that a that a full service will cost around £200. 

I have listed for £350 (Offers invited) as I can see a similar watch serviced for £550 on ebay. 

If you are a specialist and can service this watch at a reasonable price please contact me as I would like to restore this watch for sale if the price is right!

  

Please note the watch shown is a stock photo & I will upload actual photos shortly. 

Auction is for the watch only, there is no strap. 

For parts or full service/repair.



4 days later and eBay business seller 'joseph262010' (above) still hasn't added any photos of the actual watch. :roll:


Nor did he for the duration of the 30-day listing. It just ended a few moments ago - not suprisingly, UNSOLD. 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121261002622

During the course of the listing he received 6 offers - one probably wisely withdrawn. The highest of £275 made in the last 15 minutes.




In spite of the seller's incompetence / laziness or perhaps deliberate deceptiveness, this listing still received over 700 views. 


February 22, 2014 at 2:49 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at February 21, 2014 at 11:32 AM

In a similar vein, but possibly a slightly better prospect - another 'spares or repairs' 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 listed on eBay yesterday:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/61403955567



Here is a 7A28 Gen 1 Seiko pilots watch very much for spares. It has no crown and the wrong pushers, the glass appears to have been glued in by a blind spaniel and the case is tatty. However the movement is working (when a correct stem and crown is fitted), it has what I believe to be the right stem, the spacer for inside the case and the case back all present. I think the date stamp is 1984.


It's very sorry for itself, it is a long way from ready to wear. However it should provide a good movement for another watch, or the basis of a total restoration.


Do not bid if you have not read and understood the above; it needs work ....



For the record, that eBay auction for 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 'Parts Watch' ended a few minutes ago. It sold for £129.75 after 17 bids:

March 2, 2014 at 2:08 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Not seen any new listings for 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's lately (other than ta_shunca_uitco's 'RARELY SEEN' re-listings for the nth time).

Then again, I may have missed a couple. :/ However, seems like there's no shortage of used / gash spare parts floating around. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/371014860899



9 Used Seiko Gen 1 Military RAF Pilot Chronograph Dials and Other Spare Parts

 

This is a rare opportunity to purchase nine dials for the Seiko generation I military chronographs issued to RAF service members in the 1980s. These are genuine military issue items. 

Six dials (labelled A to F in the main photo) are in good used condition. The luminous paint has faded and discoloured slightly, and a couple of dials have tiny scratches across the webs between the sub-dials, but the dials are perfectly usable. 

Three dials have suffered corrosion from water damage. They are on the bottom row of the main photo. These three dials need restoration.

A good opportunity to create a custom paint job I think. The dials are of sandwich construction held together by a patch of tacky glue. Some of them have separated but they are easy to stick back together. 

There is also a small quantity of assorted chronograph parts including two new crystals, three chapter rings, several pushers, coils and other movement parts. These fit the 7A28 movements used in the generation I watches. 

I have only one lot of these parts. When they are gone they are gone.


For the record, that job lot of 'somebody else's junk' ended @ £35.56 after 8 bids. The winning bidder seemed to want it badly. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/371014860899

March 2, 2014 at 2:42 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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I've already mentioned this 7A28-7120 in the Yahoo Japan Watching Watches thread, but it would be remiss of me not to post it here.

So here's a straight copy and paste of my post from there:


As you may have gathered from my sarcastic scribblings over 7 pages in the The 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 PriceWatch thread ....

I don't hold these watches in any particular high regard - they're 'two a penny' - even though they may sell for 'a pretty penny'.

Common as muck over here in Blighty. :roll: But what happens when one pops up on Yahoo Japan auctions ? :|

This average looking example was listed on YJ yesterday. Already bidding is @ 60,000 Yen (that's £350 GBP / $580 USD). :o


http://page18.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/w97699094

SEIKO 初代7A28 ジウジアーロ クロノグラフ イギリス軍



A Google translation of the seller's description reads:

 

It is a military watch Seiko 1980s had been delivered to the British Army.

I am equipped with a machine name Cal 7A28 which was also used in the Speedmaster series famous Seiko Giugiaro Design.

(It indicates that you have used the promethium is a fluorescent paint) P mark at 12:00, (mark of the British government) Broad Arrow has entered the back cover.

Spring bars are welded to the body like a direct military.

It is a rare small number of very watch.

10X lug width 20mm thickness 37X Diameter: size.

Belt: market goods NATO military type with.

Condition: There is a slight small wound but not especially remarkable wound.

It becomes the clock very rare you do not have production right now.

I think also state's beautiful person fairly. 

We have confirmed the operation, but there is not a problem at all.


It looks like it may be a reserve price auction (opening bid price was 5000 Yen). Not entirely clear (limited understanding of Japanese).

There are currently only two bidders. Otherwise why would one of them have placed 50+ bids ? :/ See Yahoo Japan bidding log here.


Belated edit 16/03/2014:

That Yahoo Japan auction ended @ 80,000 Yen (equivalent to approx. £474 GBP / $789 USD) after 67 bids by 5 different bidders.


March 11, 2014 at 5:18 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at January 4, 2014 at 8:57 AM

Speaking of abuse of the word 'Rare' in the context of these very commonly seen watches  .... 

White Man from North with Red Indian Native American  eBay user ID* - Him speak with forked tongue !  

No scalps taken on that first job lot of three 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's from the lodge of Big Chief Bull Rarely Seen.


Our Red Indian Native American named eBay seller from Oop North is at it again. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151202471287


A 1990 SEIKO PILOTS WATCH, SPOT ON FOR THE GULF CONFLICT. NSN is 66499-768 3056 SERIAL No is 9996 YOM is 1990 Has what looks like a new strap, looks to keep good time and would without doubt benefit from a clean and service as I cannot verify that all the additional functions work corretly. Very few of these Generation one SEIKO chrono's seen for sale now.


Apart from he's obviously not been following this thread (or is going blind) ....

The funniest thing is: if you run a search on Seiko RAF that new listing is right above his current re-listing for his other job lot of 3 !! :lol:



For a watch that's supposedly 'RARELY SEEN', this one keeps on popping it's head up. :lol:

This time re-listed without the £400 opening bid option (which hadn't tempted anybody previously) - just as a Buy-it-Now for £600. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151254933874

March 15, 2014 at 2:52 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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O.K. so they're not my cuppa tea; I'll never understand the attraction myself, but there are plenty of other collectors out there, of both Seiko and 'military' watches who are prepared to pay £400-£500 (sometimes upwards) for beaten up examples of 7A28 RAF Gen 1's.


£600 seems to be the 'new' £400-£500. Or so some eBay sellers would have you believe. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321353098877



Rare RAF edition chrono pilots watch. Keeps good time. 1986 air crew edition. Brown leather strap.


March 17, 2014 at 12:51 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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It'll be interesting to see how that one fares (bidding vs reserve) compared to this - which appears to be in better cosmetic condition:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281287086056



This is a genuine issue RAF/RN/AAC Aircrew Watch 

Seiko. Made of stainless steel - Water resistant 

The watch has just been serviced at the The Watch Lab and has had a new battery fitted which is guaranteed for 12 months - Keeping excellent time. 

WATCH IS IN VERY GOOD CONDITION WITH SURFACE SCRATCHES ON STAINLESS STEEL AND GLASS FACE. 

Comes with MoD issue canvass strap. 

Any questions please do not hesitate to ask.


March 17, 2014 at 1:05 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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This one will blow the greedy 600 Pounders out of the water. :lol: Listed by a man of very few words - 99p starting bid price. No reserve.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181352965874


Generation 1 pilot's chronograph watch issued to me.


March 17, 2014 at 1:14 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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After a little lull for a couple of weeks, I'm having a job to keep up with them again.  Yet another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 on eBay:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/390799850448


Dad's Seiko military watch, 1st pattern issued to RAF personnel , fast jets pilots and helicopters pilots etc. 

model 6645-99 7683056. clearly ministry marked. no strap. 

good watch although scratched and marked to glass and casing but has been used , maybe restorable or you could have new glass fitted.

I think there were only 11000 of these issued so quite a rarity to come on market. 

uk only please or contact before bidding , pickup welcome.


Perhaps not quite such a rarity this week. :lol:


March 19, 2014 at 12:59 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Indeed. :P 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/161254920779


Seiko Gen 1 watch for sale... 

Excellent condition and in full working order having had a very expensive overhaul at premier watches costing 293.50 pounds... 

Non original hands fitted... 

Issue number 1386 / 84... 

UK postage only


Apart from the non-original (very short hour) hands fitted, there's that 'very expensive overhaul at Premier Watches costing £293.50'.

Haven spoken to the proprietor of Premier Watches in the past, I wouldn't consider that having been serviced by them was any kind of recommendation for buying a watch. Quite the contrary. But has anybody bothered to look at the seller's photo of that invoice ? 



£39 for a new crystal ? :o £59 for a new coil :o £27 for battery and re-seal :o £37 for 'Other' (besides the £122 service). :o

I always thought he was a bit of a shark (a licensed bodger, sanctioned by Seiko UK), but that is absolutely scandalous ! 

 

March 21, 2014 at 12:41 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Here's another I nearly missed ! :lol:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/231184881852


Vintage Seiko Gen 1 Military Issued Pilots Watch in superb condition to Glass, dial and case. Dated 1984.

This watch was recently purchased from a watch enthusiast/collector and has been well looked after.

In working order and time checked recently, awesome time keeper with all dials working how they should.

This watch is rare and would look great in any military watch collection. Free UK Postage.

Many thanks for your interest.


These two bring it to 6 new eBay listings this week, plus ta_shunca_uitco's nth re-listing for his, and his job lot of 3. Total now 10. 

Rare my arse ! 


March 21, 2014 at 12:55 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Guess I ought to post a few interim results then. :P


This auction, about which I wrote: this which appears to be in better cosmetic condition .... ended yesterday without any bids placed. :(

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281287086056


Talk about 'Kiss of death'. :lol:

Belated edit: It was subsequently re-listed for another 7 days @ same £465 opening bid: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281293252451


This one didn't do quite as well as I might have expected, but saw a bit of last minute sniper action ....

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181352965874


.... jumping from  £156.01 to £293.89 in the final 10 seconds. If I'm not mistaken the winning bidder was Bob Barkell.


I had a feeling this was exactly how this would end: It'll be interesting to see how that one fares (bidding vs reserve)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321353098877


It was bid to a respectable £407 but  the Reserve price was still not met:roll:


March 23, 2014 at 5:09 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Perhaps not quite such a rarity this week. :lol:


Another eBay auction result - this one ended about an hour ago selling for only £255 after 15 bids:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/390799850448


The comparitively low selling price might simply be a refection of the fact there were so many listed on eBay at the same time.


March 25, 2014 at 9:11 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Unusual to see a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 listed on eBay anywhere outside the UK - let alone in the States.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141235903560



Vintage Issue RAF Military Watch. Seiko 7A28-7120 37mm

Date: 9172/89

Original Dial Back reads 6645-99 7683056

Original Glass

Issue Original Nylon Straps,One is Brown and the other is a Deep Grey

Model : Gen 1

Battery was changed on Jan 2013...


This one is also theoretically available to European bidders through eBay's (complete and utter fail) GSP programme. :roll:

Apart from the potentially expensive add-ons of shipping costs and pre-paid duty, if you do try to to bid on it from UK, you'll get this:


March 26, 2014 at 1:30 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at March 21, 2014 at 12:41 PM

Indeed. :P 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/161254920779


Seiko Gen 1 watch for sale... 

Excellent condition and in full working order having had a very expensive overhaul at premier watches costing 293.50 pounds... 

Non original hands fitted... 

Issue number 1386 / 84... 

UK postage only


Apart from the non-original (very short hour) hands fitted, there's that 'very expensive overhaul at Premier Watches costing £293.50'.

Haven spoken to the proprietor of Premier Watches in the past, I wouldn't consider that having been serviced by them was any kind of recommendation for buying a watch. Quite the contrary. But has anybody bothered to look at the seller's photo of that invoice ? 



£39 for a new crystal ? :o £59 for a new coil :o £27 for battery and re-seal :o £37 for 'Other' (besides the £122 service). :o

I always thought he was a bit of a shark (a licensed bodger, sanctioned by Seiko UK), but that is absolutely scandalous ! 

 


I suppose I ought to post some updates on this one - just in case somebody accuses me of slacking. :P

Despite reducing his grossly over-optimistic Buy-it-Now price twice, from £500, to £475 then £450:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemRevisionDetails&item=161254920779



....  seller Jonesy695's 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 went unsold: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/161254920779



He re-listed it soon afterwards at £450, but then ended that re-listing early: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/161261187123



His current auction listing is at an opening bid price of £375, which might still be too high for a watch with non-original hands fitted:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/161261196325


I notice he's made a couple of revisions to this listing:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemRevisionDetails&item=161261196325




The first alteration was probably to ensure that his auction ended during 'peak viewing time' on Sunday evening ....

I can only assume that his amendment to the decription was this sentence:

No reserve .. I have more into this watch then the starting price !!! ...Needs to go ...


March 28, 2014 at 2:33 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Not exactly a surprise, once again eBay seller Jonesy695's 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, fitted with non-original hands went unsold:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/161261196325


.... as indeed did eBay seller silverocket's example, earlier this afternoon: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/231184881852



That one's since been re-listed (at the same over-optimistic Buy-it-Now price of £595): http://www.eBay.co.uk/itm/231192947716


March 30, 2014 at 2:52 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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This time around eBay seller jh266julie found a buyer for their 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1. It sold for the opening bid price of £465.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281293252451


March 30, 2014 at 6:09 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Must admit I'm struggling to keep pace with all these new eBay listing's for (not so rare) 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's. :/

Here's another example that was listed yesterday evening, as a low-start (99p) auction with no reserve:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121307753944



Seiko RAF military issued pilots chronograph (7A28-7120) from 1988. Just back from Seiko Uk having had a complete overhaul/service dated 28/3/14 (cost £96.01) giving a full years warranty. As you would expect, the watch works beautifully with the hands resetting as they should. The watch will of course be supplied with the warranty/invoice and estimate paperwork as pictured. As an issued timepiece there is dints and marks around the casing - but nothing serious and generally very good condition. Case back shows full military markings and has light strap rub. Is supplied on the grey nato band/strap as pictured. All sensible questions welcomed and answered. Thanks.




Note the difference in overhaul / service cost from Seiko UK (£96.01) compared with rip-off merchant Premier Watches (£293.50).


March 31, 2014 at 6:32 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Speaking of which, in his efforts to compete, would-be eBay seller Jonesy695 has similarly re-listed his 7A28-7120 this morning ....


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/161264307477

Seiko Gen 1 watch for sale... 

No reserve .. I have more into this watch then the starting price !!! ...Needs to go ... 

Excellent condition and in full working order having had a very expensive overhaul at premier watches costing 293.50 pounds... 

Non original minute , second , hour hands fitted , however sub dial ones are original... 

Issue number 1386 / 84... 

UK postage only


March 31, 2014 at 6:58 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Unusual to see a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 listed on eBay anywhere outside the UK - let alone in the States.


Another auction result for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 came in while I was in bed asleep, in the early hours of this morning. 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141235903560



Sold for $841(approx. £504.44) after 23 bids - presumably to a US buyer.


This one is also theoretically available to European bidders through eBay's (complete and utter fail) GSP programme. :roll:

Had the winning bidder been UK based, that would have attracted a further $244.19 in Import Charges through the GSP programme.


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