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Seiko7A38 at October 19, 2017 at 5:26 AM

Things have been a little quiet on eBay recently. So, given the apparently insatiable demand, I expect this average condition 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 which was advertised for sale on TZ-UK's Sales corner a little over half a hour ago, with an asking price of £750 won't hang around for very long.


http://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.php?409921 FS: Seiko RAF Gen 1




For any potential buyers who don't have access to TZ-UK's Sales Corner, here's a link to the seller's almost identical post on MWR's Post Exchange, which he made yesterday afternoon (and is referred to above).

http://www.mwrforum.net/forums/showthread.php?80912-FS-Seiko-RAF-Gen-1



I'd noticed the TZ-UK seller Philjopa had added another post to his FS thread, offering a reduction from his original asking price of £750 to a 'firm' £699, presumably in an effort to make a quick sale.




That obviously didn't achieve the result he'd hoped for, because he's since listed it on eBay with a Buy-it-Now price of £850 or Best Offer.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272898635084


This was the very first military issued watch that I picked up many years ago and this is what sparked my interest in issued pieces. Sadly I seem to have lost the bug for collecting these and so this is now my only remaining issued piece.

Condition is pretty good for an issued piece as I think the pics will show. New crystal, gasket and battery in Aug-16 (receipt from Richard Askham at The Watch Spot will be supplied, together with the original parts that were changed). Dial and hands are excellent with lume intact. Chrono functions all work fine and reset properly.

Will come on a well used but still intact brown leather NATO shown which I think suits it perfectly - it came to me on the same strap and to be honest I've never found one that suits it better.

The Gen 1 was issued between 1984 and 1990 so this is one of the later issues.

For anybody not familiar with the Seiko Gen 1 and 2, have a look here:

http://home.earthlink.net/~nederick/...oRevuVulcF.htm

TY


October 23, 2017 at 4:10 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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I'm not going to bother mincing my words. Like the would-be seller, I'll go direct to the point. :P This ridiculously speculatively over-priced (and only average) example of a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 was listed yesterday by a Spanish eBay seller. The Buy-it-Now asking price is 1450 Euros or £1300 Quid in real money. :o No make offer option. Dream on. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/302499448087


If you are looking for this watch you don't need a history lesson about the 7A28 movement or the military issued Seiko watches so I'll go direct to the point.

The watch is an original unmolested example, even the crystal has not been replaced, I could do it but I think is better to preserve as it is.

The stainless steel case has very few marks and scratches, keeping the original satin finish.

Caseback has no scratches or marks.

Crystal has only micro scratches, hard to see unless pointed in the right angle.

Dial and hands are perfect, no stains or paint lost, lumen still works for minutes.

Movement working flawless.

These are the numbers stamped on the back:

6645-99

7683056

7023/88

816235

Comes with a new black NATO strap.


October 25, 2017 at 3:20 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 was listed yesterday evening by a UK eBay seller, as a 7-day auction, with an opening bid price of £750.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/182862110393



The Seiko chronograph was issued by the Royal Air Force from 1984 until 1990 and replaced the mechanical chronographs that were issued to pilots from the 1940s (initially these were supplied by Lemania although later a variety of companies supplied suitable watches). The watch is referred to within military watch circles as a Seiko RAF Gen 1 to denote it from the later Gen 2 watches which were issued after 1990.

Seiko was the first company to develop an analog-quartz chronograph in 1983, prior to this all chronographs were either mechanical or used a digital LCD display. Technically the movement (the 7A28 was a great achievement and they have a reputation for being well made and, with regular servicing, long-lasting timepieces.

One very nice feature is the 1/10th second dial next to the 3 o'clock marker - this flies round at an extraordinary rate, so fast and smooth that it looks unreal!

As with all British military-issued timepieces the watch follows stipulations laid down by the Ministry of Defence, generally this makes for a very legible and sober design. The case of the watch is different from any that Seiko offered to civilian customers - it has a matte sand-blasted finish and the overall impression is of a very nice well balanced watch (I like the size and evenness of the three sub-dials).

The watch is a good size at 38mm and the case, hands and dial are all in very good order - you’d be hard pushed to find a better example. The case back markings show the watch was issued in 1988 (5069 is the issue number /88 means issued in 1988, 6649-99 was the specification for a quartz, pilots or navigator’s chronograph wrist watch.

Case diameter (excluding winding crown): 38mm

Case material: stainless steel

Strap width: 18mm


October 29, 2017 at 2:17 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at October 22, 2017 at 4:18 PM

A couple of updates on those two Yahoo Japan listings for 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's from higher up this page. (Both had been re-listed at least a couple of times since I first posted about them, but as is customary on YJ auctions, they retained the same item numbers).


The other one ended earlier today. I'd watched a couple of the previous re-listings and remember one where it had only been bid to ¥70,000 Yen - far short of the reserve price. Yet this time around it made an astonishing ¥148,000 Yen after 24 bids. :o That's equivalent to approx. $1300 USD / £985.75 GBP !!!


http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k272400446




And Yes, you read that right - 148,000 Yen / $1300 !!   This watch is of course the very same ex-eBay 'Polished Turd', issue # 0365/84, whose previous sales history is documented in some detail higher up the page and on previous pages of this thread. Which obviously was a complete waste of time. The mind boggles (at the apparent total lack of due diligence by buyers) sometimes.



I knew that YJ auction had to have been 'fixed'. Nobody could be THAT stupid. :lol:

The 'Polished Turd' 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 is back on Yahoo Japan again. :roll:

So far it's been bid (obviously by a shill) to only 35,000 Yen after 59 bids. :o


http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k277578555


October 30, 2017 at 7:02 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I'd like to think this is the final postscript in the saga of the ex-eBay 'Polished Turd' 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, but somehow I have a nagging doubt that it won't be. That Yahoo Japan re-listing ended last week. Incredibly, once again it was bid shilled to the same ridiculous price of 148,000 Yen - except this time it took 63 bids. :roll:


http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k277578555




You know what ? :| I'm not even going to bother checking Yahoo Japan auctions to see whether it's been re-listed again. Ergo, this will be my final postscript. ;)


November 6, 2017 at 4:58 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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None of the three most recent 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's listed on eBay (see higher up this page) have sold yet. At the time of writing, the Buy-it-Now price of the first has been reduced to £799 (it currently has 86 watchers). The most recent (7-day auction) went unsold; it's been re-listed with the same £750 opening bid price.


Yesterday evening, they were joined by another, listed by a UK eBay seller, with a slightly odd opening bid price of £327.85 or the option to Buy-it-Now for £720.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/182879478783



I bought this watch around 10 years ago. Not used last few years and now ready to sell. The watch was serviced by Seiko UK 2016 and is in perfect working condition. Thanks for looking. Delivery by Royal Mail special delivery £10.00.


November 6, 2017 at 5:04 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at September 15, 2017 at 9:15 AM

Speaking of over-optimistic pricing, it would be remiss of me not to also mention that other example, previously offered by UK seller njmearme, which has gone unsold since May 11th and been re-listed sporadically since. Back once again - re-listed earlier today for the 3rd time for another 30 days, with the same 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of £999, but this time with a Make Offer option.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/282654503383


While I'm updating this thread, I suppose I should mention that the 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 offered by UK seller njmearme, which has gone unsold since May 11th, is back on eBay again, re-listed for another 30 days - same price as before. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/282725231291

November 8, 2017 at 2:06 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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The 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 originally offered for sale on TZ-UK's Sales Corner (for £750), by seller philjopa (see top of this page) which he subsequently listed on eBay with a Buy-it-Now price of £850, sold this afternoon. The seller had later reduced his Buy-it-Now price to a firm £799 - and certainly stuck by his guns.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272898635084


As can be seen from the eBay Offer / Purchase History, he declined two offers of £700 and £750 only a matter of 10 - 15 minutes before someone finally caved in and hit the Buy-it-Now button.


November 8, 2017 at 2:19 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Yesterday evening, regular UK eBay seller britishmilitarysurplus listed another non-running 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, fitted with what appears to have become his signature two-tone grey NATO, with his usual standard opening bid price of £400.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272918948391



British Military Surplus

Seiko Pilots Watch - Generation 1

Used condition

The Watch has been in active service

The Watch is not currently working

It will need a Service

The Watch is completely untested and Sold with NO Guarantee and No Warranty.


November 10, 2017 at 4:33 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 (coincidentally also fitted with a two-tone grey NATO) was listed on Yahoo Japan yesterday, with a 'Prompt Decision' Buy-it-Now price of 150,000 Yen - marginally lower than the other one which has been kicking around, re-listed ad nauseam, for a good few months.




http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/c626520068




Google translates the seller's lengthy (literally) formatted description as follows:



November 10, 2017 at 6:07 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The eBay auction for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 by UK seller 123_carpenter (see higher up this page) ended about 15 minutes ago, selling for £668 after 15 bids.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/182879478783

November 12, 2017 at 2:16 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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The latest eBay auction for a non-running 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, by regular UK eBay seller britishmilitarysurplus ended a few moments ago. Right up until the final two seconds of the 3-day listing, no bids had been placed; then someone sniped it for the opening bid price of £400.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272918948391

November 12, 2017 at 3:41 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Not to worry, there will always be another duff 7A28 Gen. 1 along to take its place. This 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 with a 'sweep second hand problem' was listed at lunchtime today by a UK eBay seller, with a possibly over-optimistic Buy-it-Now price of £495. I say that, because the watch has another issue, which can't easily be rectified and may deter potential potential buyers. Indeed, it was enough to put off a forum member who was offered this very same watch in a private sale for a rather lower figure of £275, back in May. That is, the fact that the all-important military case-back stampings have been obliterated.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/182895093217

A SEIKO 1ST GENERATION RAF PILOTS WATCH , GREAT DIAL AND CASE , ( MOD MARK REMOVED)

THE WATCH IS WORKING BUT THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THE LARGE CENTER SWEEP SECOND HAND , IT IS INTERMITTENT AND SEEMS TO GET STUCK AFTER A FEW SECONDS IF YOU WIGGLE THE HOUR HANDS IT WILL START AGAIN FOR A FEW SECONDS , IT IS EITHER THE BATTERY IS LOW POWERED HAS NOT BEEN CHANGED FOR YEARS AND WAS OK WHEN LAST WORN CIRCA 6 YEARS AGO , FUNCTIONS ETC BUT AS STATED WILL NEED LOOKING AT HENCE PRICE AND SOLD AS IS.


For those followers of this thread, who may not have seen the previous occasion this watch was discussed (it was posted in the 7Axx General Discussion area), here's a link: Seiko Gen1 7A28 - No markings?




The Seiko case-back serial number 816450 matches, needless to say. ;)


November 12, 2017 at 3:54 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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As I hope I've made it clear before, I don't watch eBay listings for 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's that closely, because they're actually of little personal interest to me. I just add them to my eBay watch list and wait for them to end. So I may have missed some of the shenanigans that appear to have gone on since my previous post about the above eBay listing. :/


Over the last couple of days the seller made a few revisions to the listing.




All previous evidence of the fault had been removed from the title and description and somehow the watch mysteriously allegedly benefitted from a service (of which no details were provided).


The latter part of the listing title was changed from SWEEP SECOND PROB to serviced gwo (good working order) and the description was reduced to simply:


A SEIKO 1ST GENERATION RAF PILOTS WATCH , GREAT DIAL AND CASE AND GLASS , ( MOD MARK REMOVED)

SERVICED PERFECT WORKING ORDER - FIXED BARS.


There also appear to have been two changes made to the Buy-it-Now price, which increased from the previous £495 (that I saw) to £625. An hour or so after the last revision was made, yesterday morning, the seller ended the listing  due to an alleged error, as happens all too frequently. 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/182895093217



November 15, 2017 at 8:24 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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What is it with these odd auction opening bid prices set by some eBay sellers all of a sudden ? :/ Ten days ago another UK seller listed his 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 with an opening bid price of £327.85 and now there's this one, which was listed yesterday evening with an opening bid price of £219.54. 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/322887584778



The holy grail of watches for both military collectors and watch collectors for its renowned movement, has the great patina of nearly 30 years of use and comes with a bond nato strap. The only downside is the second hand on the chronograph sticks when in use. The sub dials continue to function and are 100% accurate, possibly a good service would fix this?


November 17, 2017 at 6:37 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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