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I try my best to keep all these 7A38-xxxx model specific threads updated with the latest eBay listings, but there are only so many hours in a day - and I need to work (to pay for my collecting habit) and sleep sometimes. So occasionally I'll miss one.


This 7A38-7010 'head only' was listed, albeit only briefly, by a US eBay seller, late on Wednesday evening. As it happens, the seller was of the typical narrow-minded CONUS only mentality, so it wouldn't have made any difference (to me).


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/283181951365


1980's Seiko quartz chronograph 7A38-7010. Used but in very good shape. Lugs are 20mm. Shipping to lower 48 states only.


It sold a couple of hours later, in the early hours of Thursday morning, for $140. 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/283181951365

In this particular instance, WatchCount.com's Look-up tool doesn't really do any more than confirm that ....



But if you look at the eBay Bidding History ....




That reveals it was originally set up as a 7-day auction, with an opening bid price of $85. So either the seller had set it up with a Buy-it-Now option from the outset, or some canny buyer persuaded him to add one.


September 28, 2018 at 7:59 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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So if you've bought yourself a cheap 7A38-7010 'head only' (or are need of some form of wrist attachment, for whatever reason), what do you do ? :/ To answer another of Lolo's questions, from his most recent email, here's a partial copy and paste of an email, that I wrote in reply to another owner back in December 2014 (it's posted in full on page 1 of the 7A38-701A model specific thread).


Originally posted by myself on: December 14, 2014 at 1:30 PM


Thanks for your email. Sorry, I don't have any simple solution for your dilemma.

The Seiko p/n Z1118S bracelet is obsolete and no longer available. Their typical 80's lightweight folded link construction was a major weakness that usually lead to stretching of the U section joining pieces and early failure. Seiko UK ran out of stock years ago. I suspect Seiko USA will be in a similar position.


There are a few similar designed bracelets with 20mm fitment like Seiko p/n's B1424S, B1688S and G1410S, but none of them have exactly the same link section or that silver anodized finish of the original. Again your chances of finding even one of those are pretty remote nowadays - any that appear on eBay are quickly snapped up by collectors for use as substitutes on 7A38-701x's.


I would have suggested a Feiko aftermarket bracelet, but I guess you've already dismissed those.


http://www.seiko7a38.com/apps/forums/topics/show/7821161 


Now here's the rub (pun intended) ....


September 28, 2018 at 8:53 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I'm not personally bothered in the slightest about having missed that eBay listing for the 7A38-7010 'head only' while it was live. But as I wrote, sometimes I do miss spotting stuff on eBay - and on occasions, it annoys the hell out of me ! :mad:


Regarding replacement bracelets for 7A38-701x's (and anything else that might take a 20mm fitment), I've never been averse to using those cheap 'Feiko' 20mm bracelets as a last resort. Thankfully all my 7A38-701x's are on the original Seiko p/n Z1118S bracelet (albeit at least one of them is a bit stretched). I have used the the 'Feiko' bracelets, for want of anything better, on a couple of other watches, like Orient J39001-70 Divers. But, as they're not particularly comfortable to wear, due to their poor finishing, I'm always on the lookout for something better.


To which end, years ago, I'd set up a few saved searches on eBay, specifically looking for 20mm Seiko bracelets. They don't often find much worthy of buying - and obviously need refining, because for reasons unknown, they completely failed return a search result notification for a comparative bargain recently. :(


This Seiko p/n B1424S bracelet, which is probably the best closest-appearing substitute for a p/n Z1118S was listed by an Israeli eBay seller, a couple of weeks ago, as a 7-day auction listing, with an opening bid price of $9.90.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/263933750918



Vintage Seiko B1424 s/s Bracelet for lcd watch Ana Digi 20 mm.

Pre-Owned. Please see photo.


It sold for a mere $12.50 (cheaper than the cost of a 'Feiko' 20mm bracelet) after only 4 bids.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/263933750918


Had I seen the auction while it was live, you can rest assured that I would have nailed it. But, luckily for the winning bidder, I didn't.  So understandably I'm more than a little annoyed with myself.  Had it instead been an original Seiko p/n Z1118S I'd missed, I'd more likely have been unconsolable. 


September 28, 2018 at 9:18 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Earlier today, I belatedly spotted this poorly titled listing for a defective 7A38-7010, fitted with a leather strap, which was listed 3 days ago, by a German eBay seller, as a 10-auction with an opening bid price of 1 Euro.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/153197404726


Guter Seiko Qaurtz Chronograph 80er Jahre

Quartzwerk mit Datum , chronofunktion , leider defekt , geht garnichts .

Original Gehäuse mit Stahlboden , 39 mm .

Die Seiko ist gebraucht aber noch sehr schön .

Privat Angebot , keine Rücknahme und Garantie .

Seiko ist Defekt !!!!!


September 30, 2018 at 1:49 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Sometimes, when I see listings like that poorly described 7A38-7010 on eBay Germany, I'll put in a low bid. Sometimes just for the hell of it, when I've got absolutely no intention of following through, let alone attempting to win the auction. For one thing, it keeps my competitors guessing. But it also sometimes provides interesting additional information when I receive the inevitable eBay outbid notice.




That 7A38-7010 has 37 watchers besides myself already !! :o


October 1, 2018 at 9:32 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The above 7-day German eBay auction for a defective 7A38-7010, fitted with a leather strap, ended earlier this evening, selling for 67.88 Euros after 48 bids.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/153197404726


October 7, 2018 at 2:36 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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This well-worn 7A38-7010, fitted with a cheap black leather strap, in place of the original bracelet, was listed earlier this evening, by a French eBay seller, with a risible 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of 315 Euros (and no 'Make Offer' option). Not that you'd want to if you had any sense. Check out the gouge on the top L.H. of the case, the manky lume and the non-original replacement crown fitted too. If you bought this over-priced piece of junk, that scratch on the end of the leather strap would probably be the least of your worries. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/123494247187



SUPERBE ET GROSSE MONTRE ANCIENNE DE LA MARQUE SEIKO

CHRONOGRAPHE MOUVEMENT QUARTZ

PILE NEUVE ,FONCTIONNE PARFAITEMENT

BRACELET NEUF EN CUIR NOIR AVEC UNE RAYURE SUR LE BOUT

LE VERRE COMPORTE UNE RAYURE

A NOTER DES TRACES D USAGES DIVERS

VOUS POUVEZ VOIR SUR LA DERNIÈRE PHOTOS UNE ENTAILLE SUR LE BOITIER

MONTRE ANCIENNE D EPOQUE

VENDU COMME DÉCRIT ,DIAMETRE 40

RÈGLEMENT CHÈQUE OU VIREMENT

PROFIL ZERO OU MOINS DE 10 EVALUATIONS J ANNULE AUTOMATIQUEMENT LA VENTE

MERCI


November 16, 2018 at 2:40 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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This non-working 'basket case' restoration project of a 7A38-7010, which has evidently suffered water damage and is fitted with a non-original replacement bracelet, was listed at lunchtime today by a Spanish eBay seller, as a 7-day auction, with an opening bid price of $15. Strictly for the brave. :/


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/283267472265


Seiko 7a38-7010, NON WORKING, In great shape, easy repair just swap the movement. great project. What you see is what you get. Look at my other watches for sale. If you have any questions let me know. Thank you and good luck bidding.


November 19, 2018 at 11:57 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The above 7-day Spanish eBay auction for a non-running rusted out 7A38-7010, fitted with a non-original replacement bracelet, ended at lunchtime today, selling for $65 after 28 bids.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/283267472265


November 26, 2018 at 9:00 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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This well worn 7A38-7010, fitted with a non-original replacement Seiko bracelet, was listed late last night, by a US eBay seller, as a 7-day auction with an opening bid price of $350, or the option to make a much lower, more realistic offer. To the unwary, the bracelet may look very similar to the correct Seiko p/n Z1118S - indeed it exhibits a lot of slop between the links, just like a stretched and worn original example might. But, apart from the individual link sections being slightly narrower, if you look at the seller's last two photos, you'll see the bracelet's spring bar fixing tube / loop is much shorter than it should be (almost the full width of the lug box). Unfortunately, it's not possible to make out the part number stamped on it. That's rather convenient - probably a deliberate act on the part of the seller.

However, you can clearly read the case-back serial number. Of more anon ....


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254009353220


Everything works as it should. Chronograph works and resets back to zero. Keeping great time. New battery. Long bracelet. Great vintage condition as shown in the photos. Photos are raw and taken from my iphone.


I didn't spot it straight away, but this is yet another case of Déjà Vu - with a devious little twist. Scroll back up to my post at the top of the page. Yep - it's the very same well-worn 7A38-7010, case-back serial number 3O5753. 




This seller bought this watch as a 'head only' at the end of September for $140.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/283181951365

So he sticks some tatty old, suitably knackered-looking Seiko bracelet, probably worth no more than $10 on it, deliberately intending to dupe potential buyers into thinking it's 'the real deal' and hopes to make a quick $200 profit.


December 3, 2018 at 7:45 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The adverse comments I made im my previous post seem to have had an effect.


Yesterday afternoon the US eBay seller revised his listing again ....




Reducing the opening bid price down to $1, before ending that listing as the item allegedly being no longer available. Presumably in an effort to cover his tracks.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254009353220



He re-listed it nearly 3 hours later, yesterday evening, as another 7-day auction, with an opening bid price of $1.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254010619347


His description reads exactly the same as the previous, with no mention of the knackered old incorrect replacement bracelet he's fitted - other than it's 'Long'. :roll: It's l-o-n-g because it's badly stretched.


December 4, 2018 at 3:03 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I did think about including something like: It'll be interesting to see what it makes this time around, in my previous post. Indeed it was. :roll: The re-listed 7-day auction ended yesterday evening, with it theoretically selling for $235.50 after 49 bids.

Checking the bidding history, It's fairly evident that the auction was shilled (from $150 upwards). The supposed winning bidder has 100% activity with the seller.

No great surprise, the seller re-listed it soon afterwards, just over an hour later - once again as a Buy-it-Now, for $300 (compared to his original $350 BIN listing).


The description is the same as before, apart from the addition of the phrases:

Relisting since the buyer did not pay. Please dont buy if you’re not sure.

Please don't buy unless you need your head reading, might be more factual. :P

December 11, 2018 at 11:05 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The US eBay seller jtarcheology ended his latest re-listing for that 7A38-7010, which he'd fitted with a knackered old non-original bracelet, that he'd dug up somewhere, yesterday - as item no longer available. Good Riddance, I say. :P


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254020887163



December 23, 2018 at 4:58 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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This 7A38-7010, fitted with a non-original replacement bracelet, was listed yesterday evening by a UK eBay seller as a 10-day auction, with an opening bid price of £10. At the time of writing, bidding has currently stalled @ £50.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/292892555185


Seiko 7A38-7010 Chronograph Watch. Complete with Seiko Box. This has been my Weekend Watch since 2005. Has a brand new Battery fitted and keeps excellent time. All pushers work as they should. Light general wear only.

**Please note the Chronograph works, but the second sweep hand stays at the 12'0 clock position most of the time. All other chronograph hands work and reset to zero**

Many thanks for looking. Will be well packed for shipping, Royal Mail tracked and signed.

On 28-Dec-18 at 09:06:28 GMT, seller added the following information:

**Please also note that I have been reliably informed that the bracelet is not the original **


As soon as I looked at the photos, I knew the bracelet fitted wasn't the original Seiko p/n Z1118S, but I couldn't initially identify it, nor put my finger on quite what was wrong with it. There didn't appear to be any part number stamped on the back of the bracelet - either on the fixing tube or the plate below. So I messaged the seller and asked him. He confirmed there wasn't any. Then I studied the photos a little closer. The 'SEIKO' clasp logo wasn't in quite the right place and there was no 'SQ' beneath it. The clasp has 8 pairs of adjustment holes, instead of 7 pairs. The design of the 'removeable' adjustment links confirmed the worst. This isn't actually a genuine Seiko bracelet, but a 'Feiko' aftermarket repro'. It's appears to be one of the better quality types, similar to those sold by Filipino eBay seller mountapo_merchant (Edmar) up until around September 2012, as mentioned in the 'Feiko' aftermarket bracelet thread.


December 28, 2018 at 9:11 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The 10-day UK eBay auction for a 7A38-7010, fitted with a non-original 'Feiko' replacement bracelet ended yesterday evening, selling for £158.60 after 15 bids.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/292892555185


January 6, 2019 at 11:36 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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A matter of seconds after his previous eBay listing for a well-worn 7A38-701A ended, in the early hours of this morning, arch Filipino watch botcher badingski listed this extremely wabi'd 7A38-7010 fitted with a non-original replacement Seiko bracelet - in his usual format: 7-day private listing with a $9.99 opening bis price.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/302998675012




Note the usual half-truth - original Seiko, but not original to this particular watch.


January 6, 2019 at 11:53 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at December 23, 2018 at 4:58 AM

The US eBay seller jtarcheology ended his latest re-listing for that 7A38-7010, which he'd fitted with a knackered old non-original bracelet, that he'd dug up somewhere, yesterday - as item no longer available. Good Riddance, I say. :P


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254020887163




I was hoping that might have been the last we'd seen of that particular 7A38-7010. It's back on eBay yet again - re-listed a couple of hours ago, with the 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price back up to $350 again. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254067854070


The photos are the same set he used in his original listing, at the beginning of December, but the description is subtly different from the previous listings:


Selling this rare variant of 7A38 series. This specific model really don’t come up that often. The bracelet is not original to this watch but is a perfect fit, correct period, and really close to the straight links of the original. Look it up and you will know what I mean. The case, bracelet, and crystal are in original condition and shows signs of normal wear for its age. There are NO aftermarket parts on this watch so please buy with confidence. Everything works as it should. The chronograph works and resets back to zero. I am not aware of the service history of the watch so please have it serviced before using in water. Otherwise, the watch is fully functional and keeping accurate time for daily use. I have excellent feedback and I always do right with my buyers. Please buy with confidence.


January 12, 2019 at 7:45 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Filipino eBay seller badingski's 7-day auction for a wabi'd 7A38-7010, fitted with a non-original replacement Seiko bracelet, ended in the early hours of this morning, selling for $114.50 after 31 bids.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/302998675012

January 14, 2019 at 2:49 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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So the long running saga of would-be profiteering US eBay re-seller jtarcheology and his 7A38- 7010, which began at the top of this page drags on ad nauseam. :roll:


Earlier this evening, he ended his most recent re-listing, which lasted all of two days, because of an error - presumably in the over-optimistic pricing strategy.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254067854070



He replaced it less than a minute later, with this one - back to a 5-day auction with a fanciful opening bid price of $225 (still with the pointless $350 Buy-it-Now option).


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254074006186


January 15, 2019 at 4:31 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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I suppose while I'm updating this thread, I should also mention the non-running 'head only' 7A38-7010, listed this morning in a 'Job Lot' pairing with a partly working 7A28-701A, by a 'James Bond' keyword spamming French eBay seller. Their fanciful 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now asking price is 350 Euros. Dream on. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/163488128103


Je vend ces 2 montres chrono Seiko avec les références 7A28 et 7A38.

Le chrono sur la 7A28 (avec bracelet) ne semble pas fonctionner ou boutons grippés. L'heure fonctionne bien.

La montre 7A38 ne semble pas fonctionner. A réviser.


January 15, 2019 at 6:11 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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