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I've taken some flak recently, for my continued criticism of a number of eBay sellers, many of whom claim to be collectors, but are obviously just speculators out to make a fast buck from the ever-increasing interest in Seiko 7A38's. Although admittedly I sometimes find it tiresome, I can assure readers that I have absolutely no intention whatsoever of getting off my soapbox any time soon. ;) One of the most recent crop of would-be profiteering re-sellers whose activities have been getting up my nose lately, is the greedy little Cypriot hattori-cy. You can read more here


Yesterday afternoon, he listed an average condition 7A38-7010, claiming it to be ULTRA RARE (which seeing as this thread is now on its 10th page would tend to indicate otherwise) and Mint - which his example certainly is not. His Buy-it-Now asking price is an absolutely ludicrous $950, with no option to make an offer.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/283464101270



Vintage SEIKO 7a38 - 7010 Professionally Serviced with Photos Mint Condition (Ultra Rare).

- All Original & Authentic Seiko 7a38 - 7010 (October 1983).

- One of the rarest and most beautiful of the Seiko 7a38 models in mint condition.

- Professionally Serviced (20/4/19) by a Seiko Specialist Watchsmith with over 40years of experience, please check the photos.

- Scratch free original Seiko Hardlex Crystal.

- Original full length Bracelet.

- Fresh installed high quality Japan battery.

- Only few marks of use on the case.

- All functions of the watch are working 100%, chronograph, pushers, everything works like new.

Feel free to ask any questions.

Photos are also part of the description.

Returns accepted only if the product does not much the description, Buyer pays the shipping cost.


I'd be inclined to say the product definitely does not much the description (at all). 

Here's where hattori_cy bought this same 7A38-7010 a little over 9 months ago ....


April 27, 2019 at 7:48 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at July 9, 2018 at 3:12 AM

The recent 7-day German eBay listing for a 7A38-7010 (in my penultimate post) ended yesterday evening, selling for 261 Euros after 22 bids.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/362372709854



The same 7A38-7010, with case-back serial number 3O4450, which does match, sold on eBay Germany in July 2018, for 261 Euros. The encrypted winning bidder of that auction may not match hattori_cy, but it's fairly common practice amongst profiteering re-sellers to use a different eBay ID for buying.



It's worth taking a look at some of the other photos from that German eBay listing.

They're all on page 7 of this thread. The bezel doesn't look quite so mint there. 


April 27, 2019 at 8:13 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at April 27, 2019 at 1:48 AM

This 7A38-7010, which from what you can discern from the two photos, appears to be in pretty decent well cared for condition, was listed mid-week by a UK eBay seller, as a 7-day auction, with a low start opening bid price of £0.99. He evidently doesn't realize what he's got, nor has any idea how to sell it. It's in a job lot pairing with a well-worn gold-tone Avia dress 'Diver'. Both are described as non-runners, but it may just need a new battery.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/293062950815


The 7-day UK eBay auction listing for the slightly incongrous pairing of a well-worn gold-tone Avia dress 'Diver' and a decent-looking 7A38-7010, both described as non-runners, ended yesterday evening, selling for £223 after 26 bids.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/293062950815


May 2, 2019 at 8:51 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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This 7A38-7010, in no better than average worn condition, fitted with a non-original bracelet, was listed yesterday evening by an Austrian eBay seller, with a somewhat over-optimistic Buy-it-Now price of 349 Euros, or the option to make a much lower more sensible offer. Note the tarnishing of the bright facets of the hour batons and the 1/10s sub-dial pointer hand well off its mark, indicating that the hand has been pulled and replaced at some point. The non-original cheap replacement bracelet fitted is once again, non other than our old friend the aftermarket 20mm 'Feiko'.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/264305911415

May 2, 2019 at 9:01 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Just going through my eBay watching page, I noticed the Austrian eBay seller had ended their listing for that 7A38-7010, earlier this afternoon, because of an error. :roll: I can think of at least three: the stated item condition; description and the pricing. :lol:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/264305911415


May 7, 2019 at 11:37 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I could have added this post onto all three of the 7A38-701x model specific threads, but as this one gets the most traffic and the problem of missing original bracelets crops up more often here than in the other two, here's where I'm going to add it.


In years gone by, I've purchased a number of NOS 7A38 bracelets from Filipino eBay seller Tony Plaza and have happily paid his asking prices. You can call it 'market forces' if you like, but lately, unfortunately, like so many other eBay sellers, greed appears to have got the better of him too. In the early hours of this morning, he listed a used Seiko p/n Z1118S bracelet, with a 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of $299.95 or the option to make an offer.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/303153903999


GENUINE ORIGINAL SEIKO PART

PERFECT FIT TO SEIKO QUARTZ CHRONOGRAPH WITH 20mm LUG.

Original to Seiko Case Back Number:

7A38-7010

7A38-701A

7A38-701B

Free COMBINE ship.

Always feel free for any inquiry.


In Tony's first photo the bracelet typically appears to have some some link slop on one side, due to wear and stretching of the small interconnecting pieces. Overall, it's got plenty of light scuff marks. Had it been NOS, rather than secondhand, I might have considered it at that price. But thankfully I don't actually need one. :/


May 14, 2019 at 2:43 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at January 31, 2019 at 6:22 PM

I sometimes find it difficult to express my utter contempt for would-be profiteering eBay re-sellers in polite terms. The word Scumbag immediately springs to mind. A rather familiar looking well-wabi'd 7A38-7010 fitted with a non-original replacement bracelet was listed yesterday by UK eBay seller times2go, as a 10-day auction, with an absolutely ludicrous opening bid price of £274.99.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/372584239720


This is of course, the very same well-wabi'd 7A38-7010, fitted with a non-original replacement Seiko bracelet, sold by Filipino seller badingski on 14th January for $114.50, per my post from the previous page quoted below.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/302998675012


I'd lost count of the number of times that would-be profiteering UK eBay re-seller times2go had re-listed the ex-badingski 7A38-7010. He continued to do so at the same laughable opening bid price of £274.99 up until the last week of April, when he reduced it slightly to £250. Three more 7-day re-listings @ £250 followed, until the middle of this week, when a novice bidder with a feedback of (1) placed a bid. That most recent 7-day re-listed auction ended late last night.

All it ever takes is just one mug punter.  

May 27, 2019 at 5:12 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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This rather well-worn 7A38-7010, fitted with what appears to be a Speidel Fixo-Flex expanding bracelet, was listed earlier this afternoon, by a German eBay seller, with on over-optimistic Buy-it-Now price of 199 Euros, or the option to make an offer.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223539710434


Verkaufe Seiko 7A38-7010, ein seltenes Model von frühe Seiko Chronographen. Uhr funktioniert, Datum schaltet alles aus. Uhr braucht Servis und reinigung und wird wieder top in Ordnung. Kann ich Servis bei meinem Uhrmacher besorgen, aber es wird zusätzlich 90 Euro kostet. Kein Originalarmband. Fragen ??


June 3, 2019 at 11:00 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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This 7A38-7010, which at first glance might appear attractive to a novice buyer, was first listed in the early hours of this morning by a Thai eBay seller (the one with the stupidly long user ID), as a 5-day auction, with an opening bid price of $250, or the option to make an offer. The watch is not quite as it left the Seiko factory, but because of its apparent condition, still likely to catch out the unwary punter.


It's fitted with a non-original Seiko replacement bracelet, the similar appearing p/n B1424S, instead of the correct p/n Z1118S. The watch appears to have been fitted with a replacement movement, with black day and date wheels, whereas this model should correctly have white with black printing. The constant seconds sub-dial hand is not correct / original; it should have a silver boss. The chronograph sweep second hand has been re-fitted well off its marks. All small points in themselves, but they add up to a non-original watch that has obviously been messed with. So it depends how much of a purist any potential buyer might be.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/323825247519


Seiko Speedmaster 7A38-7010 Japan Meca-Quartz Men's Chronograph Watch

Rare Seiko chronograph tachymeter watch with black dial in an excellent condition.

The watch is fully working. Chronograph works and resets to zero. All modes and buttons work.

If this is your first chronograph watch, please be sure to read the online manual for the watch and use the chronograph correctly and do not damage the mechanism. If you are a seasoned and knowledgable chronograph owner, you will already know how to work this excellent watch.

The front sapphire crystal glass has no scratches. The dial is in an excellent condition. The band and case back have a few very light scratches.

Original Seiko stainless steel watch bracelet measuring 26cm adjustable deployment clasp to fit any wrist.

Shipping worldwide with tracking number.


Indeed, it may have already caught somebody out, because it appeared to have sold late this morning (possibly against an offer).


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/323825247519

But it was back again after lunch, re-listed, as if nothing had happened:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/323825511782

June 4, 2019 at 11:39 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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In case anybody who was watching that distinctly non-original 7A38-7010 might be wondering what happened to it, earlier this afternoon, the devious Thai eBay seller made a number of revisions to the listing, changing it into something completely different (a Mido Commander Ocean Star Datoday).



They subsequently re-listed it, later this afternoon, as a new 5-day auction listing. Not only has the opening bid price crept up from $250 to $300, but the non-original Seiko p/n B1424S bracelet that was fitted has gone walkabout - now replaced by another incorrect Seiko bracelet - a rather knackered looking p/n G1026S. :(


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/323826378085


The description reads exactly the same as before. :roll:


June 5, 2019 at 11:18 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The above 7A38-7010, now fitted with a different non-original replacement bracelet, re-listed by the Thai eBay seller, sold early this morning against an offer (which was actually for less than the opening bid price of $300).


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/323826378085


This WatchCount.com search result reveals that it sold for $260 this time around:




Compared to the previous offer and no-sale of $250, when it was fitted with the Seiko p/n B1242S bracelet.


June 7, 2019 at 8:44 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I'm only bothering to mention these 'post facto', as and when I'm adding genuine updates to the various threads. No doubt, many readers will have noticed that earlier this week, deranged embittered Australian eBayer aussiewatches resumed his one-man hate campaign against myself and this forum, by creating a string of abusive and fraudulent eBay listings. This one, for a 7A38-7010, appeared early on Tuesday 18th and was very promptly removed by eBay Trust & Safety, on Thursday 20th afternoon, once I'd decided enough was enough.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/123806178594


This listing, like the others in the first batch, didn't have anything vaguely resembling a proper description, but instead, in its place, was a slightly longer edited version of his usual bold red printed diatribe. The title of his listing was obviously copied verbatim from the title of this topic. In case you didn't recognize it instantly, as I did, the single image used in this listing is an older photo of one of my 7A38-7010's, stolen from the first page of this thread. Indeed, it's the first photo I posted in it.


June 23, 2019 at 9:07 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Earlier today, this 7A38-7010, in average worn condition, fitted with a non-original replacement Seiko bracelet, was listed on Yahoo Japan as a 7-day auction, with an opening bid price of 36,000 Yen.



http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/l531151593



Google translates the Japanese seller's description (not particularly well) as follows:


Collection collection is Seiko 7A38-7010 Used

 It is famous as a speed master in Japan, but it becomes a model that was distributed as SEIKO SQ mainly overseas It is believed that it is manufactured from hard-to-find goods serial in Japan

 Calendar to 7A28 added model, Gizabezeru with divers type and will apparently those of non tachymeter, outer with the color insert here the red tachymeter bezel (fixed) is it is a rare model, which is mounted operating normally in

● exhibition time The detailed operation method is DL please from manufacturer HP

 Battery level is unknown It is not reflected in the outer diameter about 39 mm photograph which does not include crown button , but there are two tops, so I think that it is full coma masu appearance about is there is a small crack, but I think generally beautiful state as a secular used article

 you (it is our subjectivity) glass You may say that there is no scratches

  ※ We take the 8 o'clock crown is pulled out photos of the

● individual is an exhibition of the guarantee is not does also secular used goods can on this point fully understand, no claim, no cancellation , No return strict

 よ ろ し く Thank you in the state Extremely severe to the state, nervous one to look for in the loupe, poor evaluation

 If there is one, new one, one with a small number of evaluations, one who seeks payment postponement, one who can not make procedures / contacts promptly please refrain Even if a bid is bid, we will cancel the shipping fee We will pay the shipping fee


(The seller's lack of punctuation / inserted spaces appears to be the problem). :roll:


The watch is fitted with the wrong Seiko p/n B1241S bracelet, normally found on the 7A38-7070 'Diver'. There have been a couple like this before, that are documented earlier in this thread. Indeed, a quick search on the forum located a fairly recent post of mine, which included these two sentences:


I knew we'd seen at least one other 7A38-7010 fitted with a B1241S bracelet before, so I scrolled back through the previous pages of the thread and found one such, half-way down page 3, which was listed by a UK eBay seller in January 2016. But this isn't the same watch - this one's head is in much better condition.


.... And funnily enough, where I posted that on the previous page, was this same 7A38-7010, fitted with a B1241S bracelet, that's currently listed on Yahoo Japan. 8)


June 23, 2019 at 9:15 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at April 18, 2019 at 9:34 AM

The above 3-day eBay auction for a 7A38-7010, fitted with the wrong bracelet, listed by a Bulgarian seller, ended late last night, selling for a strong $378 after 20 bids.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/153451813862



The previous Bulgarian eBay seller's shot of the case-back was quite similar to that of the current Yahoo Japan seller. Needless to say, their serial # 3N1363 matches.



June 23, 2019 at 12:40 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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The 7-day Yahoo Japan auction for that ex-Bulgarian eBay 7A38-7010, fitted with an incorrect replacement (Seiko p/n B1241S) bracelet ended a few moments ago, having been extended by a total of 15 minutes, due to late bids placed. It sold, after 11 bids, for ¥43,500 Yen, equivalent to approx. $403.05 USD / £317.38 GBP.


http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/l531151593



June 30, 2019 at 8:31 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at April 27, 2019 at 7:48 AM

I've taken some flak recently, for my continued criticism of a number of eBay sellers, many of whom claim to be collectors, but are obviously just speculators out to make a fast buck from the ever-increasing interest in Seiko 7A38's. Although admittedly I sometimes find it tiresome, I can assure readers that I have absolutely no intention whatsoever of getting off my soapbox any time soon. ;) One of the most recent crop of would-be profiteering re-sellers whose activities have been getting up my nose lately, is the greedy little Cypriot hattori-cy. You can read more here


Yesterday afternoon, he listed an average condition 7A38-7010, claiming it to be ULTRA RARE (which seeing as this thread is now on its 10th page would tend to indicate otherwise) and Mint - which his example certainly is not. His Buy-it-Now asking price is an absolutely ludicrous $950, with no option to make an offer.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/283464101270


Despite my railing against this Cypriot eBay seller's continued greedy profiteering activities, I knew it was a foregone conclusion that this 7A38-7010 would sell at some point, primarily due to the devious dishonest manner in which it was being mis-represented. The would-be profiteering re-seller hattori_cy had reduced his ludicrous 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price from $950 to 'only' $800 in mid-June. It appears to have sold for a best offer in the early hours of this morning.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/283464101270

The eBay Purchase History shows there were only 3 previous offers - all declined.


Unfortunately that annoying eBay API feed 'glitch' means WatchCount.com look-up tools still can't provide any clue as to what price it may actually have been sold for.

July 7, 2019 at 11:47 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at June 3, 2019 at 11:00 AM

This rather well-worn 7A38-7010, fitted with what appears to be a Speidel Fixo-Flex expanding bracelet, was listed earlier this afternoon, by a German eBay seller, with on over-optimistic Buy-it-Now price of 199 Euros, or the option to make an offer.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223539710434


In the last week of June, the German eBay seller had reduced his over-optimistic Buy-it-Now price from 199 Euros to 159 Euros. The well-worn 7A38-7010, fitted with a Speidel Fixo-Flex expanding bracelet, sold in the early hours of this morning, not for that reduced price, but against a best offer.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223539710434


Unfortunately that annoying eBay API feed 'glitch' means WatchCount.com look-up tools still can't provide any clue as to what price it may actually have been sold for.

July 17, 2019 at 10:47 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at May 14, 2019 at 2:43 AM

In years gone by, I've purchased a number of NOS 7A38 bracelets from Filipino eBay seller Tony Plaza and have happily paid his asking prices. You can call it 'market forces' if you like, but lately, unfortunately, like so many other eBay sellers, greed appears to have got the better of him too. In the early hours of this morning, he listed a used Seiko p/n Z1118S bracelet, with a 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of $299.95 or the option to make an offer.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/303153903999


The used Seiko p/n Z1118S bracelet listed by Filipino seller seikoparts14 (a.k.a. Tony Plaza) in mid-May finally sold earlier this afternoon against a best offer.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/303153903999


Unfortunately that annoying eBay API feed 'glitch' means WatchCount.com look-up tools still can't provide any clue as to what price it may actually have been sold for.


The eBay Purchase History shows that was in fact the only offer he received:

July 17, 2019 at 10:50 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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This 7A38-7010 in well worn condition, fitted with a non-original replacement bracelet, was listed earlier this evening by an Italian eBay seller, as a 10-day auction, with an opening bid price of 1 Euro.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/123872575992


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