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Seiko7A38
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If you take the time to scroll back through the 7 page summary of threads in this forum section, you'll find there are already 8 existing threads with very similar topic titles (or themes) - dating back to April 2012. Many haven't been updated in years.


Some have topic titles indicating the content is specifically about the would-be profiteering activities of one particular eBay re-seller. The first couple that I wrote (effectively Parts 1 and 2) have more generic titles. Rather than start a new thread each time, I always try and add updates to an existing topic. So earlier this morning, with best of intentions, I gave a somewhat belated 'bump' to Part 2. That turned out to be a mistake, because when I read through it (first time in years) transpires that was also about one particularly unsavoury profiteering re-seller's activities ! :roll:


So I'm starting yet another new thread. I'll try and keep this one more 'generic'. ;)


Needless to say, the deplorable practice by some would-be profiteering eBay sellers of buying 'low' and attempting to re-sell for fast (fat) profit continues unabated. In fact, it's probably far worse now than it was a few years ago, with more greedy speculators scum jumping on the bandwagon, as the popularity of Seiko 7Axx's continues to soar.


Whereas I obviously carefully monitor the existing 7A38-xxxx model specific threads for any instances of Déjà Vu, where I haven't created a dedicated thread (and there are still a lot of models not covered) I've recently allowed them to pass without comment. In revisiting the subject, I make no promise of attempting to cite every instance - because there are so many lately. Just those that get up my nose.


Like this ....


March 27, 2019 at 1:48 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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This well-worn gold-tone 7A38-7060, fitted with an ornately stitched and braided tan leather strap, in place of its original bracelet, was listed yesterday afternoon by a Spanish eBay seller allvintagewatches, with a ludicrous 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of 245 Euros (and currently no option to make an offer). 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/264255963971



AUTENTICO CRONOMETRO SEIKO 5 7A38-7060 PARA HOMBRE DEL AÑO 1984.

MAQUINARIA ORIGINAL DE CUARZO SEIKO 7A38 EN PERFECTO ESTADO DE FUNCIONAMIENTO.

CAJA DE 37MM DE DIAMETRO, APARTE CORONA Y PULSADORES. DIA Y FECHA A LAS 3.

PULSERA AJUSTABLE DE CUERO LEGITIMO DE GRAN CALIDAD.

RAPIDO ENVIO CERTIFICADO DESDE ESPAÑA.


It really does beg the questions: how many naff hand held shots of a watch do you need do upload - and don't these people who photograph watches this amateurish manner possess a watch stand or lightbox ?


Here's where exactly the same gold-tone 7A38-7060, case-back s/n 490139, fitted with the same easily recognisable tan leather strap, was listed (and has to be said, photographed rather more skillfully) by Filipino eBay seller guilloche_enterprises (previously apol_of_your_eyes) earlier this month as a 7-day auction listing with an opening bid price of $129.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/303088195188

SEIKO QUARTZ CHRONOGRAPH DAY/DATE MEN'S WATCH 7A38-7060, SGP (SEP 1984)




Note the movement's antimagnetic back-plate looks somewhat tarnished and the gold-plated rotary step switch is missing. Only one person thought it was worth bidding on, so it sold to them for the opening bid price of $129 on 12th March.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/303088195188

The eBay Purchase History reveals a different encrypted eBay ID used to buy it.



So this greedy would-be profiteering Spanish re-seller is yet another eBay dealer using another different ID b***e (834) for buying. I'll endeavour to decrypt it. 8)


March 27, 2019 at 3:19 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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I'm usually pretty good at figuring out these things, but this encrypted eBay ID had me beaten for once. So I dropped a quick eBay message to Filipino eBay seller guilloche_enterprises (Apol) asking the question outright. He replied overnight.



The formatting of the user ID explains why I couldn't suss it out for myself. :roll:

It's el.joyero.de.gabriela - and their current feedback rating of 834 matches.



It's worth checking their feedback. This eBay ID, created in May 2013 was originally used for selling, but hasn't since sold a single item in over a year. It's now used exclusively for buying. Apol may think they're a frequent buyer (from him), but checking the feedback reveals that they buy far more watches from two other Filipino eBay sellers, with rather poorer reputations (as arch watch-botchers): badingski and jfm_watches.


March 29, 2019 at 2:18 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Another nasty little profiteering re-seller, who seems to be homing in on 7A38's recently and has popped up on my radar more than once lately, is the Cypriot eBay seller hattori_cy. I've already written about his unethical activities once before, in this thread, when in November last year, he listed an average condition stainless 7A38-7270, fitted with a non-original bracelet, asking silly money (£400) for it. I couldn't prove the case conclusively on that occasion (even though it was clearly the same watch and bracelet), but this time I've caught him red-handed. 


Earlier this afternoon, he listed a stainless 7A38-7270 in allegedly NOS, but in fact good used condition, as a 5-day auction, with an opening bid of $700 !!


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/283434184033



This is your chance to get this amazing Vintage SEIKO 7a38 -7270 in NOS Condition 100% All original / Authentic.

The photos talk by themselves. The watch is like new.

All the functions are working 100% as it should.

It has its original full length bracelet.

Bidders with less than 5 Feedback please contact me before bidding.

Please look at the photos because they are part of the description.

Feel free to ask me anything.

How about: Why do you think this watch is now worth $700 or more ? 


Here's where the same stainless 7A38-7270, case-back s/n 810552 was briefly listed by an Italian eBay seller around this time on Tuesday evening of this week, then with a highly over-optimistic 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of 390 Euros.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/273779276932

CRONOGRAFO SEIKO DAY-DATE 7A38-7270 ANNO 1983 BRACCIALATO OROLOGIO UOMO



Marca: SEIKO

Modello: Cronografo

Referenza: 7A38-7270

Anno: 1983

Movimento: di precisione controllato al quarzo

Funzioni: ore, minuti, secondi, cronografo, day-date

Cassa: nickel-chrome

Ghiera: liscia

Corona: zigrinata, posizionata ad ore 8

Pulsanti: a pompa

Anse: dritte

Dimensioni: 36 mm corona esclusa, 41 mm alle anse

Vetro: minerale

Fondello: a vite personalizzato dalla casa

Quadrante: ardesia, con indici a barretta in rilievo trattati con materiale luminescente, lancette a stilo, anch'esse luminescenti, secondi continui al 6, minuti del crono al 9, decimi di secondo al 3, secondi cronografici al centro, indicazione dei giorni della settimana e del datario tramite doppia finestrella al 3, con rimessa rapida in corona, scala tachimetrica sul rehaut, scala sessantesimale, logo Seiko al 12

Cinturino: originale Longines in nickel-chrome

Chiusura: deployante originale personalizzata Seiko

L'orologio che vedete in vendita è perfettamente funzionante, è preciso ed affidabile. E' completamente originale.

Verrà a voi consegnato con scatola e garanzia Tempus di 12 mesi !!!

E' in foto. Molto bello !!!


The listing was ended by the seller soon afterwards as item no longer available, clearly pointing to it having been 'back doored' by some then unknown less than scrupulous person. 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/273779276932


WatchCount.com's Look-up tool reveals that the listing was live for approx. 80 minutes, during which time it only received 20 views.


March 29, 2019 at 1:29 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Much to my annoyance and utter disgust, I've spotted another blatant attempt at profiteering by the Spanish eBay seller allvintagewatches. Yesterday evening, they listed a well-worn gold-tone 7A38-7280, with a ludicrous 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of 245 Euros. They've erroneously titled the listing as '7A38-7250' (which is actually the dial part number), presumably because they couldn't read the correct model # stamping off the heavily skimmed case-back. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/264312409389


RARO CRONOGRAFO SEIKO 7A38-7250 PARA HOMBRE.

MAQUINARIA ORIGINAL SEIKO DE QUARZO CON PERFECTO FUNCIONAMIENTO Y MUY BUENA EXACTITUD COMPROBADA. BATERIA NUEVA.

FUNCION CRONOGRAFO CORRECTA CON RESET A CERO EXACTO.

CAJA DE 37MM DE DIAMETRO, APARTE CORONA Y PULSADORES.

PULSERA AJUSTABLE ORIGINAL DE 17CM (TAMAÑO PEQUEÑO)

RAPIDO ENVIO CERTIFICADO DESDE ESPAÑA.


Like many of their despicable ilk (think Timely_Classic of years gone by), this greedy would-be profiteering eBay re-seller appears to source the majority their watches from Filipino eBay auctions. So it wasn't difficult to find where they bought it. Here's just a couple of photos of the same well-worn gold-tone 7A38-7280, from an eBay auction by Filipino eBay seller badingski, which ended on 22nd April.




Despite the heavily skimmed case-back it's still possible to make out the serial number 7D7830, which of course, matches theirs. The price they paid, in winning the auction ? A mere $68. 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/303118530360

May 7, 2019 at 4:13 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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One of the most prolific (and certainly amongst the greediest) of the current crop of profiteering eBay re-sellers is the Italian simone00simone, real name Simone Pratissoli. He's been actively buying Seiko 7A's with the sole intention of re-selling them for profit for well over a year now. I've documented several examples of his blatantly shilled auctions and ludicrous Buy-it-Now listings in the various 7A38-xxx model specific threads. But I've previously been a bit lax and let a good many others slip by without passing comment. The gloves are well and truly off. 


At lunchtime today, he listed a gold-tone 7A38-7260, with a ludicrous 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of 300 Euros (and currently no option to make an offer). I'll admit I'd been waiting impatiently for him to do just that. 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/113748900033


Beautiful Seiko 7A38-7260 Vintage Chronograph Quartz in very good

Watch completely original and in really very good condition, it was really worn on rare

Return not accepted, any customs fees to be paid by the buyer.


This same gold-tone 7A38-7260, case-back serial number 880872, in well-cared for used condition and still fitted with its original Seiko tan leather strap, was listed by a French eBay seller in the third week of April, as a 7-day auction, with an opening bid price of 45 Euros.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254206016140

Montre SEIKO CHRONOGRAPH 7A38-7260



Montre SEIKO CHRONOGRAPH 7A38-7260

Boitier en plaqué or,

Pile récente remplacée par horloger

Diamètre : 39 mm Hors remontoir.

La montre Fonctionne.

Vendu en état idem aux photos.

Voir photos qui font partie intégralement du descriptif de l'objet en vente

Frais d'envoi groupé en cas de plusieurs achats.

Envoi soigné et rapide des reception du paiement.

Bonne enchères a tous et a toutes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Paiement chèque ou virement bancaire,si remise en mains propres réglement en espèce uniquement.


The auction ended on 27th April, with the 7A38-7260 selling for a mere 61 Euros after 15 bids.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254206016140

I know this, because I was the first bidder (@ 45.67 Euros). I'd added it to my eBay watching page, but decided not to follow through, for a couple of reasons. Firstly, I already own at least 4, maybe 5 of this model. One is NOS (on the same original tan leather strap) and another is virtually mint. I really didn't need another, so I thought I'd leave it for someone else. Plus the French eBay seller didn't accept PayPal - only payment by cheque or bank transfer (or cash in person). However, when I recognized Simone's encrypted eBay ID 0***0 (then 202 feedback) as the winning bidder - and knowing exactly what he planned to do with it, I was really annoyed with myself for not having followed through. 


May 14, 2019 at 10:03 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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