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This well worn-looking brown coated 7A38-6020 was listed on eBay yesterday lunchtime by an Italian seller, with a low opening bid price of 29.90 Euros. Apart from the usual rubbing wear, there's some some strange (complete) loss of both brown and black chrome coating, particularly on the clasp - possibly sweat induced corrosion. Goes without saying, the bezel numbering and dial printing are typically badly faded. The acrylic bezel inlay is also cracked - oddly at '30', rather than through the bezel pip, where they usually go. The bracelet's first (joining) link on the 12 o'clock side is parting from its fixing tube and looks like someone has attempted a repair.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/222137462762



Seiko Quartz 7A38-6020-AO cioccolatone BY giugiaro condizioni buone tutto funzionante azzeramento perfetto vetro con piccoli segni segni del tempo che hanno scolorito orologio ma non fanno perdere valore ad un orologio storico perfetto per restauro.


Just out of curiosity, I used Google to translate the seller's Italian description:


Seiko Quartz 7A38-6020-AO cioccolatone by Giugiaro. Good condition everything works perfect glass zeroing with little signs signs of aging that have discolored watch but do not lose value to a historical watch perfect for restoration.


'Little signs of aging'. :roll: Yeah right ! :lol:


June 2, 2016 at 2:18 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at May 7, 2016 at 8:39 AM

The above 'NOS' brown-coated 7A38-6020 currently offered by eBay re-seller chicagogoody for a ludicrously inflated Buy-it-Now price of $1500 continues to be automatically re-listed (every 30 days - thereby retaining the same item number). Despite having two dozen watchers, no mug punter has been fool enough to fall for it so far.


By coincidence, I happened to check my eBay watching page this morning. Guess what was almost at the top (ending soonest) ? :|


The full story on that 7A38-6020 (including the change of case-back serial number*) is documented on the previous page. ;)


*See the next partial quote below ....


June 2, 2016 at 4:35 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at June 21, 2015 at 10:25 AM

I really couldn't understand why Mike wanted it before, because he appeared to have a better example in his collection ....

One with unfaded bright orange bezel lettering. He originally posted this photo in a thread on SCWF back in January 2012:

http://www.thewatchsite.com/21-japanese-watch-discussion-forum/25671-how-about-7a-feast-sunday.html#post157217

See third from right and quote: A few that I have picked up through the years......




But the brown coated 7A38-6020 that he's now offering FS on SCWF isn't the same as he bought from maddys65 in April. 

They may both have fresh looking JWC inspection stickers in place on their case-backs, but the serial number of that one was 4D5881, whereas the one he's now selling with the same scratched / faded inlay bezel is 4O5756. So there's clearly been an element of parts swapping going on between them - if not just the bezel and / or case-backs.

I bet he's kicking himself now those NOS bezels are for sale on eBay. :lol:



In another amusing coincidence, Mike Mounce posted an updated photo of his 7A38 collection on SCWF a couple of days ago.


http://www.thewatchsite.com/21-japanese-watch-discussion-forum/229218-seiko-7a28-7a38-battery-change-day.html




His brown coated 7A38-6020 is still roughly in the same position and looks to be in pretty much the same mint-ish condition as before (but presumably now wears case-back s/n 4D5881).


June 2, 2016 at 4:48 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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This morning, while I was out, I received a PM from a forum member. I'm sure he won't mind me copying it and replying to him here:


First enjoy your article and long study of the 7A38-6020. This one is up for sale 262367670706 on Ebay as you are probably aware.

I know the seller and can do a deal at about $700, what do you think?


The eBay item number of course refers to the brown-coated 7A38-6020 with a spare NOS bezel, being offered by US eBay re-seller chicagogoody for the absolutely ludicrous Buy-it-Now price of $1500 ! :lol:


The full story of this watch begins at the top of the previous page (3) and continues almost to the bottom. To re-iterate once more ....


June 4, 2016 at 10:56 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at April 3, 2016 at 2:49 PM

To add insult to injury, this greedy would-be profiteering re-seller is offering it through eBay's GSP programme which adds another $460 onto the selling price for any potential European buyers (who might be stupid enough to even consider it). I say 're-seller', because to anyone who has been following this thread, this watch should look very familiar. That is despite the possibility the seller may have touched up the scratched bezel coating near '50' or if not, he's certainly done his best to hide it in his photographs.


It's been listed on eBay 3 times already, originally back in April last year, by Italian seller maddys65 (see top of this page), then by pmounce (Mike Mounce, who swapped the case-back to s/n 4O5756) and most recently sold for $510 in late January, by gr8sw (Peter Taubman, who to my amusement, adamantly insisted the bezel inlay numbering wasn't faded). Well now you can see just how badly it was actually faded, compared to the NOS bezel included in the ludicrous 'package' price by the current would-be (re)seller.

Pity this latest 'value-added' speculator seems incapable of fitting it. :roll:



The listing had obviously been set to automatically relist (therby retaining the same item number), but oddy it ended earlier today:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/262367670706



There is no evidence of it having sold and Goofbid's eBay Best Offer History tool only shows 3 offers made - all were rejected:



I trust I've made it abundantly clear: I have a personal distinct loathing of would-be profiteering re-sellers like chicagogoody

So let's spell it out and do the math at the same time. He paid Peter Taubman (gr8sw) $510 for this same watch. He subsequently purchased a NOS bezel from Tony Plaza (aka_nato) for $120 (let's be generous and add on the $10 postage). That makes a total outlay of $650. But he obviously doesn't have the skills to fit it himself, so hasn't really added any value to the watch. Anybody else could have bought a NOS bezel from Tony - they're still available.

So to answer your question - not worth $700, IMO. 


June 4, 2016 at 10:59 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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It seems the buyer took my advice and got a refund. :)

Because this morning it's back on eBay again - still with the same ludicrous $1500 Buy-it-Now price. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/262469096523


There is however a subtle difference with this re-listing. The would-be profiteering re-seller chicagogoody seller has re-used the same first 7 photos from his original listing in April (see bottom of previous page), but not the last two which showed the watch alongside a NOS bezel. The description now simply reads:


NOS Seiko 7A38-6020 in the very rare brown coating.


June 5, 2016 at 4:15 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The 10-day eBay auction for that well worn-looking brown-coated 7A38-6020, by the Italian seller (at the top of this page) ended a few moments ago, with bidding jumping from 182.99 Euros (which might have been a reasonable price for an example in this condition) to a hefty 251 Euros (approx. £198)  in the final seconds, as a single snipe bid came in.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/222137462762


No surprise as to the identity of the 'mystery' winning bidder - it's none other than our 'old friend' n***e (1696), a relative newcomer to collecting 7Axx's, whose previous frenetic sniping activity I've commented on in this thread in the Members' Lounge section. Once again, it seems he's little concerned with the price paid / condition of some examples he's adding to his burgeoning collection. :/


June 11, 2016 at 7:21 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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In case you hadn't already figured out, from the number of prior appearances documented in this thread, eBay Italy is by far and away the best place to look for a brown coated 7A38-6020. Here's another used example that was listed yesterday afternoon. It appears to be in better condition than some we've seen, with less rubbing wear to the brown coating and unfaded orange bezel inlay numbering.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272286028609



Vendo cronografo SEIKO 7A38 6020 Sports 100 risalente agli anni 80. 

Si tratta di un raro modello Diver da collezione con ghiera girevole con cassa e bracciale ricoperti color marrone. 

Cassa e bracciale sono in condizioni molto buone con piccole scoloriture come potete vedere dalle foto; quadrante e lancette sono perfetti. 

E' assolutamente originale in ogni parte e perfettamente funzionante (tutte le funzioni cronografiche sono ok). 

Si tratta di una vendita tra privati senza garanzia alcuna AS IS ma l'orologio è garantito essere come descritto e raffigurato nelle foto. 

Spedisco in tutto il mondo. 

For foreign buyers: 

- standard shipping cost in Europe Euro 25 

- standard shipping cost outside Europe Euro 35


June 26, 2016 at 1:17 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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That latest Italian eBay auction for a brown-coated 7A38-6020 ended yesterday afternoon, selling for 268.67 Euros (approx. £225) after 20 bids.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272286028609


July 6, 2016 at 3:07 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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There's definitely something a bit 'Irish' about this eBay listing which appeared a couple of days ago. 


I've written briefly about the brown-coated 7A38-6020's non-chrono 'little brother', the 8123-6280 on the first page of this thread - to demonstrate their similar appearance. Though why anybody with an ounce of common sense would want to pair an almost mint example with a rather tatty 7A38-6020 fitted with an obviously non-original two-tone bracelet is completely beyond me. 

Not only that, but this incompetent idiot has also managed to get the model number of the 8123-6280 wrong. 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172267371013


 


Hello. I propose this 2 verry rare, watches, in great conditions. Both was made in 80".....

Seiko 7A38 designed by Giugiaro is a VERRY rare watch, and high colectabile!!

The WATCH ARE 100% WORKING all functions ,just perfect, and the bezel bidirectional is moving perfect and verry smoth!

As you can se there are signs of his age, but has a ,,vintage patina look" 

The Seiko 100 Sports are just like NEW one , THIS ONE WAS just find in one casset.....after many years.....

It feets a new battery and it work just perfect all functions, however the BIDIRECTIONAL BEZEL IS BLOCKED....hi is rotating but verry hard so....must se what can remade at this ! 

!!!THE WATCHES TOUGHETHER ARE A WERRY RARE AND BEAUTIFUL COUPLE!!! 

YOU CAN SE THE PRICES FOR THIS WATCH..........OTHER SITES, AND OTHER SELLERS DONT SELL THIS AT THIS PRICE!!!


Diabolical spelling / grammar exactly as written in the would-be sellers description. :roll: Presumably they're not English (nor Irish either).

Item location: timisoara, default, Ireland. Timisoara is normally (by default) in Romania. :lol:


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Belated edit: After a few days, the would-be Romanian eBay seller realized their mistake - or at least the part about their location:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172267371013



Subsequently re-listed - though most of the other errors, including that of the incorrect 8123-6280 model number remain. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172273680076

July 9, 2016 at 9:57 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Hopefully, by now - at least to anyone who has been following this thread, it should be becoming abundantly clear that sightings of the brown-coated 7A38-6020, particularly on eBay Italy are anything but rare. Here's yet another example which was listed late last night. This one appears to be in fairly decent condition, although there is some loss of brown coating / rubbing wear, through to the black chrome plating underneath, visible on the edge of the bracelet and the bezel rim. The bezel inlay numbering is slightly faded (though nowhere near as badly as in some cases), as is the orange dial printing (SPORTS 100 etc.) - to almost the same colour as the gold dial printing. Yet perversely, the minute marks of the dial ring haven't faded.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/371678942390


 

Gentilmente, prima di fare offerte leggere attentamente la descrizione ed i dettagli riguardo l'acquisto, ricordo che la vincita di un'asta è vincolante per entrambe le parti

Puntando accettate le condizioni d'asta indicate - Massima Serietà fornita 

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SHIPPING IN 24/48H IN TUTTA EUROPA

CONDIZIONI STREPITOSE

PARI AL NUOVO 

SEIKO CHRONOGRAPHE Ref. 7A38-6020 

VINTAGE 1970 

CASSA IN ACCIAIO 

PER VERI COLLEZIONISTI!!!

CASSA IN ACCIAIO 

DIAMETRO CASSA 43mm. 

QUADRANTE BROWN 

DAY DATE 

CASSA CON CHIUSURA A VITE 

QUADRANTE ORIGINALE DELL'EPOCA (Vedi Foto) 

CINTURINO IN ACCIAIO ORIGINALE SEIKO 

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L'OROLOGIO E' IN FOTO ED E' STUPENDO!!! BELLISSIMO!!! FAVOLOSO!!! 

PER VERI COLLEZIONISTI!!!

DA COLLEZIONE!!!

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L'orologio anche se è usato e vissuto è in ottimo stato e il suo acquisto rappresenta, anche in questo caso, un ottimo investimento. Oltre che un piacere possederlo!!!

Non lasciartelo scappare!!!

Fai la tua offerta!!!


Despite the would-be Italian seller's enthusiastic description, with multiple exclamation marks, I don't expect there'll be any great rush to open the bidding @ 499 Euros. :roll:


July 11, 2016 at 3:50 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Firstly a couple of overdue updates to this thread ....


Indeed, there wasn't any great rush to bid on that Italian seller's 7A38-6020 .... nobody bid at all, not even the opening bid price of 499 Euros, which I thought someone might just snipe it for, in the closing seconds of the auction.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/371678942390


I was waiting to see if it would be re-listed, but it still hasn't been (yet) - then forgot to update the thread. :roll:


A couple of days later, our illiterate and incompetent Romanian seller, iliesovidiudaniel2012, whose real name is presumably Daniel Ilies Ovidiu - and who still doesn't seem to be sure of his location (see Italy below) at first glance appeared to have got lucky with his odd job lot pairing of a dog-eared 7A38-6020 and mint-ish 8123-6280.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172273680076


Regardless of the mint-ish 8123-6280, I couldn't believe anybody would be stupid enough to pay £400 for that piece of junk.

It seems they didn't. :lol: If you look at the result in an ended listing search on eBay.com, it shows sold against a Best Offer ....

So naturally I checked it using Goofbid's eBay Best Offer History tool ....




Which shows that the pair actually sold for a more realistic £265, against a reduced Buy-it-Now price of £400 (vs the original £650). ;)


August 7, 2016 at 1:34 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seems that our illiterate and icompetent Romanian eBay seller iliesovidiudaniel2012 also fancies himself as a would-be profiteering re-seller. Yesterday, he listed a 7A38-6020 with some familiar looking rubbing wear to the brown coating, with a ludicrous Buy-it-Now asking price of  £600 !! 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172297018193

 

Up for sale this loveley SEIKO CHRONOGRAPH 7A38 the bigest chronograph on his ERA!

44mm diameter 

Watch in great conditions considering his age!

Full working condition

Chronograph work and reset PERFECT!

COMPLICATION day/date , perfect 

Bezel bidirectional it work just great! 

ALL ORIGINAL 100% INCLUDDING BRACELLET 

As you can se in the pictures there are some coating missing on the bracellet and clasp! 

This is all defects! 

SE MY OTHER ITEMS PLEASE!


In case you don't recognise the watch, all you need do is scroll a little way up the page, but to save you doing so ....


August 7, 2016 at 2:07 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at July 6, 2016 at 3:07 AM

That latest Italian eBay auction for a brown-coated 7A38-6020 ended yesterday afternoon, selling for 268.67 Euros (approx. £225) after 20 bids.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272286028609



It's the very same brown-coated 7A38-6020 which sold on eBay Italy at the beginning of July for 268.67 Euros or £225.17. Apart from the matching rubbing wear to the coating, zoom in on the photos of the case-backs in the two listings, to see that their serial numbers are the same - 4D8298. £600 Quid indeed. :roll:

August 7, 2016 at 2:16 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at June 5, 2016 at 4:15 AM

It seems the buyer took my advice and got a refund. :)

Because this morning it's back on eBay again - still with the same ludicrous $1500 Buy-it-Now price. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/262469096523


There is however a subtle difference with this re-listing. The would-be profiteering re-seller chicaogoody seller has re-used the same first 7 photos from his original listing in April (see bottom of previous page), but not the last two which showed the watch alongside a NOS bezel. The description now simply reads:


NOS Seiko 7A38-6020 in the very rare brown coating.



It appears that would-be profiteering eBay re-seller chicagogoody finally managed to shift that brown-coated 7A38-6020. :roll:

Checking my eBay watching page, it appears to have sold early yesterday evening - allegedly for a reduced price of $850.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/262469096523


The way the different eBay domains display ended listings can sometimes be misleading, because that's not the sale price.

It appears he changed the Buy-it-Now price on August 10th, which I'd failed to spot previously:


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemRevisionDetails&item=262469096523



According to an ended listings summary on eBay.com, it actually sold for a Best Offer against the reduced B-I-N of $850.



Unfortunately, Goofbid's eBay Best Offer History tool has, so far, failed to pick it up what it actually sold for on this occasion. :roll:


August 22, 2016 at 12:17 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at August 7, 2016 at 1:34 PM

Firstly a couple of overdue updates to this thread ....


Indeed, there wasn't any great rush to bid on that Italian seller's 7A38-6020 .... nobody bid at all, not even the opening bid price of 499 Euros, which I thought someone might just snipe it for, in the closing seconds of the auction.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/371678942390


I was waiting to see if it would be re-listed, but it still hasn't been (yet) - then forgot to update the thread. :roll:



No great surprise - it has now been re-listed at the same 499 Euros opening bid price. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/371716953178

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Belated Edit: Subsequently withdrawn a week later - possibly sold off eBay. Your guess is as good as mine. :/


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/371716953178



August 23, 2016 at 12:06 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at August 7, 2016 at 2:07 PM

Seems that our illiterate and icompetent Romanian eBay seller iliesovidiudaniel2012 also fancies himself as a would-be profiteering re-seller. Yesterday, he listed a 7A38-6020 with some familiar looking rubbing wear to the brown coating, with a ludicrous Buy-it-Now asking price of  £600 !! 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172297018193


Meanwhile, I note that incompetent would-be profiteering Romanian eBay seller iliesovidiudaniel2012 has since reduced his ludicrous initial Buy-it-Now price of £600 down to 'only' £400 and added a Make Offer option.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172297018193


If you're one of the people watching it and considering making an offer, just remember what he paid for it - 268.67 Euros or £225.17.


August 23, 2016 at 12:26 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I think I need to review the 'rarity factor' of this increasingly commonly seen 7A38 model - a bit sharpish ! :P

Yet another used example of the brown-coated 7A38-6020 was listed on eBay earlier today by an Italian seller.

Goes without saying that it's typically speculatively well over-priced for the condition, with a Buy-it-Now price of 700 Euros. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/262599306809



Orologio Seiko 7A38-6020 Sports 100 anni 80 , sembra che sia stato disegnato da Giugiaro . Cassa in PVD o comunque trattamento simile di colore marrone misura 43mm senza considerare i pulsanti . Condizioni discrete , perfettamente funzionante anche se non conosco a pieno le funzioni dell'orologio. Le foto sono esaudienti per valutare le condizioni dell'oggetto , pertanto non accetto contestazioni o resi.


August 29, 2016 at 9:17 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I noticed the above (30-day) Buy-it-Now listing for a brown-coated 7A38-6020 was ended early by the Italian seller this morning. 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/262599306809



The error was obviously in the 'pie-in-the-sky' pricing. :roll:


It was back on eBay again, re-listed as a low-start no reserve auction a matter of seconds later.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/252548746995

September 20, 2016 at 9:52 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Here's a pretty horrible example of what once was a brown coated 7A38-6020, that probably fits just as well in this other thread.

Except I cant be bothered to post it there as well, as I've done with a previous example. Besides, this one hasn't been completely stripped of its coating - just the bezel and the top side of the bracelet, leaving the watch case and underside of the bracelet in the original chocolate brown finish. Bit of a half-hearted job - watch ruined. Listed on eBay Italy (where else ?) earlier this afternoon.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162216856756


• Usato e originale

• SEIKO SPORTS 100 VERY RARE BROWN FINISH


The less said about the seller's brief description the better. :roll:


September 25, 2016 at 9:55 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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