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Seiko7A38 at July 25, 2019 at 3:34 AM

I note that this morning, the dishonest Spanish eBay seller has made a few hasty revisions to their listing.




These included removing 'NOS' from their title and description, changing the item condition from 'New without tags' to 'Used' and as a concession, reducing their original risible 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price from 1500 to 'only' 1345 Euros. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/273942699799



Yesterday morning the Spanish eBay seller revised the listing once again, further reducing their risible 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price down to 'only' 1000* Euros. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/273942699799


*They've similarly amended their other 11 parallel listings on other eBay domains (which I'd listed at the bottom of the previous page), but on the 6 which are priced in Euros, the current price is actually 1050 Euros. :roll:


July 27, 2019 at 4:51 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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At lunchtime today, the Spanish eBay seller ended their original listing for that (not quite 'NOS') brown-coated 7A38-6020, as item no longer available - along with the other 11 parallel listings they'd created. :roll: Presumably sold off eBay in response to a 'back door' offer. :/


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/273942699799



August 15, 2019 at 10:36 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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This horrible mess, the remnants of what once was a brown-coated 7A38-6020, was listed early this morning by a New Zealend eBay seller, as a 7-day auction, with an opening bid price of $120, or the option to Buy-it-Now for a highly over-optimistic $250. The seller's description is shall we say, a touch flattering. Here's how I see it: The brown coating has been stripped from the bezel thumb grips. The once orange lettering of acrylic bezel insert is badly faded. The insert is cracked through the lume pip. The dial is badly faded to the point where some of the printing has disappeared. The hour, minute and sweep second hands are non-original replacements. The as yet unidentified well-worn stainless bracelet fitted is most definitely not original and as as the seller stated in their description, has traces of gold plating. The SEIKO JAPAN logo'd clasp is not original to the bracelet, being an aftermarket fake repro' item. All in all, one best avoided, unless you're absolutely desperate !


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223741878771


SEIKO SPEEDTIMER CHRONOGRAPH

Reference: 7A38-6020

Year of manufacture: 1970s

Movement: Quartz Chronograph

Case: Steel

Case size: 43.5mm

Water resistance: 330ft / 100m

Strap: Seiko Steel bracelet

Accessories: Watch only

The Seiko 7A38-6020 is a very rare and sought after reference from the 1970s. It features a quartz movement with chronograph functionality.

I believe this particular example may have previously had the rare brown PVD coating, which has since been stripped from the bezel and bracelet, but remains on the case. Case is intact and original and the bezel turns correctly. The bezel is in very good condition. The pushers and crown are all correct and the hands are original. The bracelet is the correct fitting for relatively unusual narrow lugs but I suspect it is a replacement and may have originally had gold plated joining links. The time telling function of the watch works well. Some of the Chrono functions work but not all - may need a service or potentially a movement transplant.

This watch is in okay original condition, although the chronograph function has some issues.

Guaranteed 100% Authentic

Shipping from Auckland, New Zealand.

Please see my feedback to see other Ebayers happy with watch purchases from me.


To briefly sum up, in the words of the Bard ....


November 9, 2019 at 3:18 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I hadn't bothered posting an update before, but the 7-day NZ eBay auction for that horrible mess, the remnants of what once was a brown coated 7A38-6020, ended a couple of days ago, without a single bid being placed. Thankfully common sense appears to have prevailed. At the time of writing, the Kiwi seller hasn't re-listed it. That's probably a good idea, because it wouldn't bear comparison ....


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223741878771

Here's a rather bettter example of how a 7A38-6020 SAA043J should look ....


November 18, 2019 at 3:02 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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This example, which has some wear to the brown coating, but is in better condition than most used examples, was listed this afternoon by an Italian eBay seller, with a 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of 599 Euros, or the option to make an offer. All that really lets it down, is that at some point in its life, someone has fitted it with the wrong case-back off a two-tone 7A38-7260. :(


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/153729815801


 

Seiko orologio uomo vintage Giugiaro 7A38-6020 quartz 40 mm

L'orologio è perfettamente funzionante in tutte le funzioni, cinturino con qualche segno di abrasione ma coevo con l'orologio, presente anche scatola (fettuccia portaorologio sostituita)

Il modello corretto è il 7A38-6020, nel corso della vita dell'orologio il fondello è stato sostituito con quello del 7A38-7260 non dispongo del vecchio fondello, il tasto di azzeramento crono è un po piu duro, va premuto con un po piu di decisione ma nemmeno troppa, lo segnalo comuqnue.

Ci sono normali segni di usura come mostrato in foto.

Le foto sono parte integrante della descrizione e mostrano l'esatto stato di conservazione dell'oggetto in vendita.

Gentile acquirente, benvenuto, perfavore prima dell'acquisto le chiedo di leggere quanto riportato sotto.

Disclaimers:

Parti meccaniche: onde evitare incomprensioni vorrei precisare quanto segue sia per gli utenti che acquistano da me sia per ebay, io non sono orologiaio e quindi non smonto gli orologi, quando dico che l'orologio funziona ma non è revisionato significa che è marciante ma appunto non ha fatto revisione, se ci sono piccole imperfezioni su componenti non visibili a occhio ma che possono venire fuori solo durante la revisione (cosa poi assolutamente normale perchè include eventuali sostituzioni) io non ho modo di vederli e quindi ovviamente di descriverli mi dissocio pertanto da qualunque difformita dell'oggetto che abbia tale caratteristica.

Immersione orologi e tenuta subacquea: essendo orologi vintage NON garantisco nessun tipo di impermeabilità, per garantire l'impermeabilità infatti deve essere fatto un cambio guarnizioni completo dalla corona al fondello + una valutazione finale da esercizio competente, cosa che io non posso fare, sconsiglio quindi di immergere bagnare l'orologio o farsi la doccia con addosso il segnatempo, mi dissocio da qualsiasi danno da allagamento.

Batteria: la batteria non è garantita, di solito non sostituisco la batteria se l'orologio è ok al controllo prima dell'impacchettamento e spedizione, è possibile che se l'orologio quartz mostra comportamento anomalo la prima cosa da fare è apprestarsi alla sosituzione della batteria.

FORMULA DI ESCLUSIONE DELLA GARANZIA E ALTRO: La Legislazione Vigente Nell'unione Europea Prevede Che Anche I Privati Siano Tenuti A Dare Garanzia Sugli Oggetti Venduti, A Meno Che Tale Garanzia Non Sia Esplicitamente Esclusa Al Momento Della Vendita. In Conseguenza Di Ciò, L'articolo Oggetto Di Questa Asta È Venduto Cosi' Com'e' Con Esclusione Esplicita Di Qualsiasi Forma Di

Garanzia Per Cui Chi Dovesse Fare Offerte Per L'oggetto Proposto Con La Sua Offerta Accetta,Incondizionatamente L'esclusione Di Qualsiasi Garanzia Per L'oggetto Stesso Salvo La Garanzia Implicita Della Veridicità Della Descrizione E Delle Fotografie. La Restituizione Dell'oggetto Sarà Concordata Tra Le Parti Solo In Caso Di Palese E Dimostrata Non Conformità Con La Descrizione e Fotografie Contenute Nell'inserzione Del'oggetto Che L'acquirente Riceverà.

Come venditore non mi assumo nessuna responsabilità inerente al vettore di trasporto, non rispondo e non posso rispondere per problemi o fallimenti di consegna del vettore trasporto pertanto non mi accollero nessun costo aggiuntivo derivante da quest'ultimo, infine ma non meno importante la maggior parte degli oggetti sono usati non tutti hanno profumo delicato ed alcuni possono arrivare da fumatori o da sgomberi, è mia cura descrivere questo tipo di "difetti" ma non accetto restituzioni per odori che a detta dell'acquirente siano diversi dalla "rosa selvatica". Chi conferma l'acquisto conferma di avere letto ed avere preso visione dei punti trattati.


November 18, 2019 at 3:13 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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With almost perfect comic timing, 2 days ago, the Kiwi eBay seller re-listed that poor excuse for a brown-coated 7A38-6020, as another 7-day auction, with the opening bid price reduced slightly to $110, but with the option to make an offer, instead of a Buy-it-Now price.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223756731697


As an extremely poor example of a 7A38-6020 SAA043, it doesn't really have any good attributes - other than the correct case-back - albeit one that's a bit worn.




Far be it for me to suggest such a sacrifice, but it could be used as a donor to rectify the previous Italian example, fitted with the wrong case-back. ;)


November 21, 2019 at 6:13 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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This brown-coated 7A38-6020 in average / well-worn condition was listed earlier this afternoon, by an Italian eBay seller, as a 5-day auction, with an opening bid price of 30.50 Euros, or the option of a Buy-it-Now price of 400 Euros for anyone impatient or foolhardy enough.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/293372208877


Seiko orologio uomo vintage Giugiaro 7A38-6020 quartz 40 mm . La condizione Usato. Perfettamente funzionante compreso il crono batteria appena sostituita.

Le foto fanno parte del corredo di vendita. Non si accettano restituzioni. Per vincitori dell asta con feedback inferiori a 5 si potrebbe annullare l ordine qualora il pagamento non avvenga entro 24 ore. Buona asta.


December 11, 2019 at 12:10 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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The above 5-day Italian eBay auction for a well-worn brown coated 7A38-6020 ended a few moments ago, selling for a surprisingly low 138 Euros after 21 bids. That's a far cry from the seller's 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of 400 Euros. :roll: I thought it might have done better than it did though, as the last time I'd checked the listing, it had attracted 50 watchers. Hey ho. :/


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/293372208877

December 16, 2019 at 11:05 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Earlier this evening, Spanish eBay seller walton-willer listed this brown-coated 7A38-6020, in rather better than average used condition, as a 7-day auction, with an opening bid price of 1 Euro. It didn't 'click' straight away, but this is of course another case of Déjà Vu. This is the same brown-coated 7A38-6020, case-back s/n 511229, which walton-willer originally listed, then as being allegedly 'NOS' back in July last year, with a ludicrous 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of 1500 Euros. 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274202066655



See my last two posts at the bottom of the previous page (for their earlier set of different photos) and updates (with incorrect assumption) at the top of this one.


January 13, 2020 at 5:20 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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The above 7-day Spanish eBay auction for a used brown-coated 7A38-6020 (same watch from August last year, re-listed by the seller walton-willer) ended earlier this evening, selling for a strong 493 Euros after 38 bids. A decent price, but a far cry from their original ludicrous 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now figure of 1500 Euros. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274202066655


January 20, 2020 at 3:37 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Parla Italiano? 8) Vuoi fare una passeggiata nel lato selvaggio? :/


A email notification from Subito just landed in my inbox. A decent looking brown coated 7A38-6020 was listed on there, less than half an hour ago. 5 small-ish photos and no price stated (other than 1 Euro). Perhaps they're soliciting offers.




http://www.subito.it/seiko-7a38-6020-cronografo-originale-napoli-332224193.htm




March 6, 2020 at 3:40 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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This Italian seller appears to be a dealer. They're listing 40 or so other watches, whose prices range from 35 to 650 Euros. So out of curiosity, I asked the question. He's looking for a reasonable 350 Euros. Says he's done his market research. :lol:



March 7, 2020 at 2:08 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Another brown coated 7A38-6020 was listed earlier this evening, by an Italian eBay seller, with a typically risible 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of 700 Euros, or the option to make a lower, more realistic offer. Ignoring the price, it's difficult to judge its true overall condition from the current selection of photos - for instance there's none showing the complete lower sections of the bracelet, which usually suffer the most coating wear. The bezel numbering looks generally unfaded, yet the once orange dial printing typically has. :/


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/264675245945

 

Seiko quartz sport 100 chronograph 7a38 6020. La condizione Usato.

Le condizioni sono ottime, il colore e marrone quindi molto raro. Funziona alla perfezione. Recentemente revisionato.


March 21, 2020 at 2:33 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at November 18, 2019 at 3:13 PM

This example, which has some wear to the brown coating, but is in better condition than most used examples, was listed this afternoon by an Italian eBay seller, with a 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of 599 Euros, or the option to make an offer. All that really lets it down, is that at some point in its life, someone has fitted it with the wrong case-back off a two-tone 7A38-7260. :(


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/153729815801


Checking my eBay watching page, I noticed that the Italian eBay seller ended his latest (30-day) re-listing for that brown-coated 7A38-6020 (fitted with the wrong case-back) yesterday evening, as allegedly being no longer available. :/


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/153849500406



March 23, 2020 at 5:46 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Yesterday evening, the more recent listing for a brown-coated 7A38-6020, by another Italian eBay seller was ended early - after a surprisingly short time, presumably because of a fairly obvious error in the pricing.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/264675245945


He re-listed it soon afterwards as a 7-day no reserve auction, with an opening bid price of 1 Euro. As of this morning, the bidding has just passed the 100 Euros mark. The question is: will the seller let the auction run normally, or will it end up getting shilled in the best Italian tradition ? 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/264678443514


March 25, 2020 at 4:37 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Of course another possibility was that the auction might not actually run for the full 7-day duration. :roll: That's the reason I'd placed a couple of bids, earlier this morning (with no real intention of following through). Sure enough, about 25 minutes ago, the eBay bid cancellation notice wafted into my email inbox.



The seller ended the listing just before 11:00am (GMT), as item no longer available.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/264678443514


In doing so, he automatically cancelled all bids. Checking the bidding history, the high bid at the time was only 144 Euros. So presumably it was sold off eBay in response to a 'back door' offer. How much ? - your guess is as good as mine. :/


Edit: Out of curiosity, I asked the question; the seller just replied. 525 Euros.



March 25, 2020 at 7:25 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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