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Seiko7A38 at March 20, 2019 at 4:03 AM

Well, if nothing else, you've certainly got to give him 10/10 for persistence. :roll:

Earlier today, the deluded would-be YJ seller sukippa99jp re-listed his well-worn 7A38-6050 once again, as a 'New' 3-day auction listing. Indeed the 10 photos are all new; the watch is now fitted with a black 2-piece NATO strap, in place of the previous olive green one. Unfortunately, he's elected to stick with his laughably over-ambitious opening bid price of 38,800 Yen.




http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/n334404651


So it continues, with him re-listing his laughably over-priced well-worn 7A38-6050 every few days - once again this week. :roll: Earlier today, his listing was joined on Yahoo Japan by another, listed as a 7-day auction, with an opening bid price of 15,000 Yen. Although this example is typically described as 'Junk' (and currently a non-runner), assuming it needs no more than battery replacement and cleaning, is potentially in better condition.




http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/o310066003




Google translates the first part of the formatted Japanese description as follows:


Rare SEIKO Chronograph 7A38-6050 watch


I really can't be bothered with the remainder. It comprises all the usual caveats. :roll:


March 29, 2019 at 11:18 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Another very familiar-looking 7A38-6050, fitted with a black leather 'Racing' strap, was listed late last night, by a US eBay seller, as a 7-day auction, with an opening bid price of $100. If I'm correct in my assumption, this particular watch has featured in this thread a few times before, starting on page 1. It first appeared on eBay in April 2012, listed by a Koren eBay seller. That auction ended early, when it was 'back doored', by the self-appointed 'Watchking1', Chuck 'Skip' Laws, who fitted it with a mesh bracelet and re-sold it for a fat profit in July 2012, much to my disgust.


It was purchased by the current US eBay seller mc_kashio, but, as you can see if you pick up the story again on page 3 of this thread, it transpired he had bought a second 7A38-6050 off eBay Germany. He unsuccessfully attempted to sell them as a job lot pair at the end of May 2015. He then sold one of them, which had suffered a damaged sub-dial mounting spigot, separately in June 2015. He never listed the other one again until last night. I believe the original serial number of this watch was 550699. The other one (he sold) was originally 550600. I'm assuming at some point he swapped either their cases or case-backs. When he last listed this watch in May 2015 (as part of the job lot pair), it had case-back s/n 550600. I can't be 100% sure, because Jay has decided to obscure the serial number in this latest listing, but I'd hazard a guess, from the slipped tool marks, it's still 550600. ;)


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/264263577169


Original Seiko first quartz chronograph with day/date windows, 1/20" measurement. Very good shape with some wear/scratched as shown. Fully functioning, band not original.

Offered as-is and described with no reserve. Please ask questions within 24 hours of auction end. Thank you.


April 1, 2019 at 12:34 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The 7-day Yahoo Japan auction for a 'Junk' 7A38-6050 'head only' ended a few moments ago, selling for ¥26,000 Yen after 13 bids, equivalent to approx. $232.75 USD / £178.50 GBP. The auction finishing time was automatically extended by 10 minutes, due to late bids placed. As often seems to be the case lately, going by the 5-digit feedback number of the encrypted winning bidder, I suspect it was won by an international buyer, using one of the proxy bidding services.


http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/o310066003



April 5, 2019 at 9:28 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The 7-day US eBay auction for a 7A38-6050, in average worn condition, fitted with a 'Racing' leather strap, ended late yesterday evening, selling for $265 after 10 bids.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/264263577169


April 8, 2019 at 12:05 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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This JDM 7A38-6050, fitted with a non-original Seiko rubber 'Dive' strap, was listed in the early hours of this morning, by an Australian eBay seller, as a 7-day auction, with an opening bid price of $10 Au. The seller starts his description by stating:

I purchased this watch from a Japanese seller ....

He did Indeed - and fairly recently too. Checking the case-back serial number, 550515, this is the same 7A38-6050, which sold on Yahoo Japan auctions as a head only 'Junk' / non-runner, on April 5th, for 26,000 Yen.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/264337384527



Seiko 7A38 6050 Chronograph JDM.

I purchased this watch from a Japanese seller, the dial / lume is in good condition and I have fitted the watch to a Seiko DB70AB strap. This "divers" 7A38 originally was sold with a leather strap based on what I have been able to research on this unusual model. All functions are working and the watch is keeping good time, the bi-directional bezel rotates in both directions and the click ball feels like its working correctly. I have replaced the caseback gasket because the old one fell apart when I replaced the battery but I haven't replaced any of the other seals, the pushers are not sticky. There are some scratches on the crystal, refer to the photos. I do not know the watch service history and I have not had the movement serviced. I am a private seller and the watch is being sold as is, please review the photos carefully as they form part of the product description. Any duties / taxes relating to importing are the responsibility of the buyer if they apply.


May 26, 2019 at 12:33 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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The above 7-day Australian eBay auction for a JDM 7A38-6050 ended in the early hours of this morning selling for $308 Au. after 18 bids. That's equivalent to approx. $213.50 US - slightly less than the 26,000 Yen / $232.75 US equivalent it sold for, as a non-running 'Junk' head only, on Yahoo Japan in the first week of April.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/264337384527

Incidentally, the auction was won by erstwhile forum member and occasional poster Carlo ('Ketap'), a known serial flipper / profiteering eBay re-seller (silversurfer365), so it'll be interesting to see whether he decides to keep this one, or if it subsequently appears listed on eBay Germany in due course.


June 2, 2019 at 3:48 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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This JDM 7A38-6050, in decent used condition, fitted with a slightly incongruous black urethane bracelet, was listed on Yahoo Japan earlier today (which is now actually tomorrow, 4th June, local time in Japan), as a 5-day auction with an opening bid price of 1000 Yen.




http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k389531658




Google translates the Japanese seller's description as follows:


■ Seiko Sports Speedmaster 7A38-6050 It is a working item.

■ Time, date, chronograph are all working confirmed. As it is JDM, Japanese or English notation can be selected as the day of the week.

■ The index of the dial, the character, the color of the day (Saturday is blue, Sunday is red) are good.

■ Bezel rotates smoothly, but is in a state where fitting is loose. There is peeling of paint in the corner.

■ There are no scratches on the glass. The needle is also beautiful, but some of the night light remains.

■ There is no genuine belt, and it is processed and installed outside goods. (Corresponding to about 22 cm around the arm) It is an

 external product, but we also attach a matte black urethane belt.

■ The battery has not been replaced. Please replace the battery when it runs out. (SR936SW)

■ There is not in the image, but if you wish, we will attach a copy of the 7A38 SEIKO genuine inspection and adjustment manual.

■ We guarantee for one week after delivery for malfunction except battery exhaustion.

■ We accept returns if it differs from the item description. (In that case we will refund the full amount you paid including the postage.)

■ ships by a Yu-pack handy version 60 size.

■ If you can utilize it, thank you.


Although the seller has obscured the serial number in his partial shot of the case-back and changed the bracelet (not the first time that's been done) it's not difficult to work out which 7A38-6050 this is. It's one that's previously featured a number of times in this thread, starting on page 1, when it first appeared in February 2012. The original YJ seller finally managed to sell it over years later in December 2018 !!


June 3, 2019 at 3:28 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at December 2, 2018 at 5:20 AM

Excuse the slightly belated update. After yet another 5-day re-listing, the above 7A38-6050, fitted with a non-original Citizen bracelet finally sold last weekend for the reduced ¥42,000 Yen opening bid price. That's equivalent to approx. $370 USD / £290 GBP. Anyway, I think I can be forgiven for being a week late posting the result. After all, it's been over 6½ years since it was first listed on Yahoo Japan (see page 1 of this thread). Ironic that it ended up selling for his original 2012 Buy-it-Now price too. :roll:


http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/d306741484




It's case-back, which coincidently bears remarkably similar light scratches in the area of the '7A38' stamping to the current seller's is serial # 540255. ;)



June 3, 2019 at 3:53 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Anyone reading this thread may have noticed that recently (not since the end of March at the top of this page), I hadn't bothered to add any further updates on the subject of other well-worn 7A38-6050, which had been re-listed ad nauseam on Yahoo Japan by the evidently deluded would-be seller sukippa99jp. That was deliberate - but I had been following developments in the background. ;)


In fact, in April, he had started to gradually reduce his opening bid price from the laughable 38,800 Yen. It came down in stages, 1000 Yen at a time, with subsequent re-listings @ 37,800, 36,800 .... 31,800 Yen - all retaining the same YJ item number. The last couple of times he re-listed it @ 30,000 Yen, but not entirely surprisingly, still no bids were forthcoming. The last re-listing ended a couple of days ago.


http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/n334404651



In an interesting turn of events (bearing in mind the other 7A38-6050 currently listed on Yahoo Japan, in much better condition), he re-listed it overnight as a new 5-day auction, with an opening bid price of only 100 Yen. Amusingly, the scheduled finishing time of his new auction (22:49 local Japan time on Sunday) is exactly one minute after the other auction by seller motov10 is due to end. What exactly he hopes to achieve by this tactic is anybody's guess. :roll:



http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/d367178880




(The photos and description appear to be the same as before).


June 4, 2019 at 10:04 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I've been keeping a watching eye on those two Yahoo Japan 5-day auctions:


http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/d367178880

http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k389531658


Bidding has been typically slack so far. Here's the postion as it was yesterday:



And as it currently stands, with 24 hours remaining:



No great surprise that YJ seller motov10's 7A38-6050 is starting to pull ahead. Doesn't bode well for sukippa99jp's well worn example. :/ Incidentally, although he presumably deliberately scheduled his 5-day auction to end exactly one minute after motov10's, both listings are set up with automatic finishing time extension, so assuming there will be last minutes bids, it's really anybody's guess how things may pan out. But I suspect that the current numbers may give some indication of the potential differential in their final selling prices.


June 8, 2019 at 10:12 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I'd forgotten to mention, previously: regarding my earlier comment ....

This JDM 7A38-6050 .... fitted with a slightly incongruous black urethane bracelet.




It's not difficult to figure out where YJ seller motov10 drew his inspiration from ....



It looks very similar to the one that Achim ('Gufi') ultimately fitted to his 7A38-6050.


June 8, 2019 at 10:40 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Overnight, by some fluke of the bidding, the well-worn 7A38-6050 re-listed by YJ seller sukippa99jp had managed to take the lead in the bidding (in value terms).



But a couple of hours later, by early morning, the status quo had been restored:




I had intended to take a couple more screen prints before the auctions ended, but I was late getting back home and only just managed to grab this one, by which time they'd both already gone into 'overtime'. Indeed, as it transpired, no more bids were forthcoming and that's how they ended.




Both those YJ auction listings were automatically extended by 10 minutes each, due to late bids placed - and more by luck than judgement, sukippa99jp's 5-day auction still ended exactly one minute after motov10's.


YJ seller motov10's 7A38-6050, fitted with the urethane bracelet, sold for 43,546 Yen after 31 bids, equivalent to $400.90 USD / £314.70 GBP. Thus making him a minimal profit on the 42,000 Yen he'd paid for it last November.


http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k389531658




YJ seller sukippa99jp's well-worn 7A38-6050 eventually made 23,000 Yen after 17 bids, equivalent to $211.75 USD / £166.20 GBP. Rather better than I expected, but still a far cry from the 38,000 he'd been trying to sell it for since the end of January.


http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/d367178880



June 9, 2019 at 10:00 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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It's funny. Sometimes you don't see a JDM 7A38-6050 listed for sale, be it on Yahoo Japan, eBay or anywhere, for as much as a year in between. Then all of a sudden, they develop London Bus syndrome. :roll:


This well-worn non-runner with a badly scratched crystal was listed earlier today as a 3-day auction, typically described as 'Junk', with an opening bid price of 1 Yen.




http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/d367481906



Google translates the Japanese seller's brief description as follows:


Thank you for your interest in the product.

Please read below and we will wait for a bid.

Seiko Quartz Chronograph 7A38-6050

There are scratches and dirt. The battery is exhausted, so I do not know if it is a movable part. It is an exhibition as a junk item.


June 11, 2019 at 9:12 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The above 3-day Yahoo Japan auction for a 'Junk' 7A38-6050 'Head Only', ended this afternoon, selling for 20,777 Yen after 24 bids, equivalent to approx. $192 USD / £151 GBP. As is frequently the case, recently, it appears to have been purchased by an international buyer, using one of the proxy bidding services.


http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/d367481906



June 13, 2019 at 2:18 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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What was it I wrote only a couple of days ago, about 'London Bus Syndrome' ? :roll: Another well-worn JDM 7A38-6050, this particular example also suffering from badly faded dial and minute ring printing, fitted with a non-original (CASIO) stainless bracelet, was listed on Yahoo Japan earlier today, as a 6-day auction, with a rather optimistic opening bid price of 25,900 Yen.




http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/f354245600



Google translates the Japanese seller's description as follows:


Rare SEIKO Seiko SPEEDMASTER Speedmaster 7A38-6050 Chronograph

There are many scratches on the windshield. Belts are made by other companies.

The chronograph function is normal.

Please make your own judgment regarding other degree.

The arm circumference is about 17.5 cm. Since it is amateur measurement, please forgive the error.

We are currently working, but if you are immobile due to battery exhaustion etc. by any chance when goods arrive, please respond by the successful bidder.

Titles and explanations are amateurs' views, so please give priority to photos.

Please be sure to bid on questions if you have any questions.

The successful bidder is limited to those who can contact within 24 hours and those who can receive money within 72 hours.

If you can not protect it, delete it by the successful bidder convenience.

Since cancellation after a bid can not be performed, please bid it in consideration. Please note.

Since it is a used article to the last, nervous one should refrain from a bid.

It ships in Yu Pack simplified version 60 size. It will be shipped on weekdays.

The newer one and the worse one of evaluation are judged here and deleted.

I need your help by a no claim and a no return.


June 14, 2019 at 10:59 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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With one thing and another, I nearly overlooked to post this result. :roll: The 7-day Yahoo Japan auction for that well-worn JDM 7A38-6050, fitted with a non-original Casio stainless bracelet, ended this afternoon, selling for the opening bid price of ¥25,900 Yen. That's equivalent to approx $275 USD / £216.50 GBP.


http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/f354245600


June 20, 2019 at 3:14 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at June 11, 2019 at 9:12 AM

It's funny. Sometimes you don't see a JDM 7A38-6050 listed for sale, be it on Yahoo Japan, eBay or anywhere, for as much as a year in between. Then all of a sudden, they develop London Bus syndrome. :roll:


Thing is, it's still sometimes possible to miss catching a London Bus - and watch it disappearing off down the the High Street. :(


Yet another 7A38-6050 Head Only was listed on Yahoo Japan earlier today, by a 'Store' seller, supposedly as a 5-day auction, with an opening bid price of 1000 Yen. This particular example was in better condition than most we've seen recently - apart from a nasty graze on the crystal. There was minimal rubbing wear to the black chrome plating of the bezel's finger grips and the bright red dial and minute ring printing appeared completely unfaded.




http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/r332434481



Google translates the Japanese seller's formatted description as follows:



Before I'd the opportunity to write it up here, the seller had already ended the listing.


http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/r332434481




Presumably it was sold off Yahoo Japan against a 'back door' offer. It does happen.


June 30, 2019 at 10:16 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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