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Seiko7A38
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I saw what potentially could have be a very nice condition (and cheap) 7A38-7240 listed on eBay Germany last week.


See: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/220967968948

Seiko Chronograph Absolut selten! Und im neuwertigen Zustand! Sammlerstück ansehen



 

Biete hier noch eine schöne Uhr aus meine Auflösung!

Eine Seiko Chronograph,sehr selten im neuwertigen Zustand.

In Stahl mit Gold durchgezogen.NR 7A38-7240. Schauen sie sich die Bilder an.

Sie wurde höchstens 3-4 mal getragen,daher noch im Top zustand.Funktioniert Top mit OG VP.

 

I placed a couple of bids on it, but really didn't need another one, because the one in my collection is pretty near mint.

I saw the auction ended yesterday around 20:50 at 68.89 Euros (approx. £57.59), which would have been a good price.

Thinks to himself - should have had another go at that, because nobody else did. No - seriously - I don't need another !! :D


Then tonight I noticed it had been re-listed:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/220973424734

With a Buy-it-Now price of 125.00 Euros (approx. £104.50). 


Something smells (bad) here. 


March 11, 2012 at 6:00 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Then tonight I noticed it had been re-listed:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/220973424734

With a Buy-it-Now price of 125.00 Euros (approx. £104.50).


This is SO funny !! :D

I received an email notification from eBay this morning - for the same item.

By then, the seller had already reduced the Buy-it-Now price from 125 down to 110 Euros.

Just went to clear out my eMail inbox and clicked on the same message at it's down to 100 Euros now.

See: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemRevisionDetails&_trksid=p4340.l2569&rt=nc&item=220973424734


Later re-listed, it was reduced futher to 90 Euros, and then to 85 Euros, little more than the original selling price. :roll:

See: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemRevisionDetails&_trksid=p4340.l2569&rt=nc&item=220976330475


Re-listed once again on 18th March:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/220979052855

With an opening bid price of 70 Euros (bearing in mind it sold for 68.89 Euros, first time around), and a Buy-it-Now of 100 Euros. :roll:

March 12, 2012 at 12:34 PM Flag Quote & Reply

7ARCool
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Such a shame people bother shill bidding, It ruins the "Ebay experience".

If I suspect I am being shill bid against, I investigate and inform Ebay. 8)


March 12, 2012 at 2:05 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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7ARCool at March 12, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Such a shame people bother shill bidding, It ruins the "Ebay experience".

If I suspect I am being shill bid against, I investigate and Inform Ebay. 8)


But do they ever do anything about it, Chris ? 


That's partly why I compiled my list of eBay ID's of known regular bidders on 7A38's (which you're on now, BTW). ;)

So at least you know when you're bidding against (or deferring to) a genuine fellow 7Axx collector - rather than a shill.

March 12, 2012 at 2:45 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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7ARCool at March 12, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Such a shame people bother shill bidding, It ruins the "Ebay experience".

If I suspect I am being shill bid against, I investigate and Inform Ebay. 8)


So what did you think about the late emergence of that bidder a***n, on that stainless 7A38-7000 on eBay Germany, Chris ?

The bidder with a feedback rating of (-1) who placed 6 bids in the last 25 minutes. :roll: Bit late to report him to eBay, wasn't it ? :/


See: http://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&_trksid=p4340.l2565&rt=nc&item=110835752257 


March 15, 2012 at 3:26 PM Flag Quote & Reply

7ARCool
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I did not bother bidding again on that watch.

Laughable the bidder with -1 feedback, LOL. :lol:

I have started noticing the same bidders on most 7A's I bid on, most are members on here!

Like you say Paul, Ebay do nothing when given info on shill bidding, this is because they make more money from this dodgy practice in my opinion.

I would say 50% of sellers get a friend to bid up their items,something needs to be done. :mad:


March 15, 2012 at 4:03 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Shilling at its best worst - or should that read: when the shill bidder gets shilled ? :roll:

Check out the astonishing appalling bidding on this NOS Cartier Ferrari Formula Chrono:

http://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&_trksid=p4340.l2565&rt=nc&item=220974711143


I've already included it (as a prime example) in this other thread in the Non-Seiko 7Axx section:

http://www.seiko7a38.com/apps/forums/topics/show/7394242-ferrari-formula-fever-when-the-red-mist-comes-down-

March 16, 2012 at 3:03 PM Flag Quote & Reply

7ARCool
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WOW, that is horrendous, you would not want to be the winning bidder, considering the shill bids added 100's of pounds to the final selling price.

I love to see a shiller win an auction, especially when they would have got a fair price if they had not got greedy.

With everyone tightening their belts and the economic gloom we are currently in, I imagine more of this behaviour will be seen, on the Ebay forums, I met a guy who purposely tracks shill bidding and wrecks the auctions, good on him I say !

March 16, 2012 at 3:34 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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It's not over, yet, Chris. There's still another day of that auction left to run ! :lol: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/220974711143

Being 'NOS with Tags' and IMO one of the more desirable versions of the red-dialed Cartier Ferrari Formula chrono's (and that's despite having 'only' a re-branded Seiko 7A38 movement inside) in the current economic climate, with 'normal' legitimate bidding, I would have expected it to make around 1500 Euros by the end of the auction. Thanks to the persistent efforts of the apparent shill bidder s***a (3) and more recently  -***r (0) the new current zero-feedback high bidder, it's already bid to well over 2000 Euros. :roll:


It's a pity this has happened, because as (only) an interested spectator, it would have been nice to know what one in such condtion might have fetched. I suspect that once the auction has ended, the seller will make a 'second chance offer' to the highest (legitimate) losing bidder. That currently looks like f***b (583). If that does happen, and I were him, I'd tell the seller how far he can shove it. :mad:

March 16, 2012 at 4:10 PM Flag Quote & Reply

7ARCool
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You would think these dodgy sellers would at least build up a few shill accounts, so shill bidding is not so obvious!

Your recommended watch placement reminds me of a classic scene from "Pulp Fiction" acted expertly by my favourite actor Christopher Walken, Hillarious!  :lol:

March 16, 2012 at 5:42 PM Flag Quote & Reply

7ARCool
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This 7a28 7040 sold on ebay a few days ago : 150771118000

But has miraculously re-appeared from the same seller : 150779538466

I need a strap for my 7A28-7040, mmm, what to do?

Nice early example with "CHRONOGRAPH" on dial, I shall make an offer! 8)

March 16, 2012 at 7:15 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Just like the 7A38-7240 which I started this thread with. I told you it goes on a lot. :roll:


That CHRONOGRAPH text on the dial as opposed to Chronograph (and no SPORTS 100), indicates it's a JDM 7A28-7040.

If your 7A28-7040 is a normal European export Sports 100 model, the bracelet on it would technically be wrong for your watch.

If that JDM 7A28-7040 is still fitted with its original bracelet, apart from a different p/n stamped, it will have a SPEEDMASTER clasp.


Edit: I had to go away and look it up. A normal 7A28-7040 SPR013J uses p/n B1075S; the JDM SSAY028 uses p/n AA58A. 8)

March 16, 2012 at 8:40 PM Flag Quote & Reply

7ARCool
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Cheers for the info Paul, As it would be for my collection the strap would be fine either way.


March 16, 2012 at 8:53 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Footnote to that one:

Re-listed once again on 18th March:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/220979052855

With an opening bid price of 70 Euros (bearing in mind it sold for 68.89 Euros, first time around), and a Buy-it-Now of 100 Euros.


Sniped (in absentia) for the opening bid price of 70 Euros by a member of this forum, I'm pleased to say. ;)

It'll be interesting to see if the seller 'plays ball' with the buyer, or starts another round of shenanigans. 


March 24, 2012 at 4:28 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Seiko7A38 at March 15, 2012 at 3:26 PM

7ARCool at March 12, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Such a shame people bother shill bidding, It ruins the "Ebay experience".

If I suspect I am being shill bid against, I investigate and Inform Ebay. 8)


So what did you think about the late emergence of that bidder a***n, on that stainless 7A38-7000 on eBay Germany, Chris ?

The bidder with a feedback rating of (-1) who placed 6 bids in the last 25 minutes. :roll: Bit late to report him to eBay, wasn't it ? :/


See: http://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&_trksid=p4340.l2565&rt=nc&item=110835752257 


Oddly enough, that same bidder ID a***n, still with a feedback of (-1) cropped up on another 7A38 auction on eBay Germany today.


See: http://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&_trksid=p4340.l2565&rt=nc&item=130679772661

 

April 19, 2012 at 1:12 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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