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Seiko7A38 at September 1, 2012 at 7:15 AM

I'm not sure if this is the same eBay seller using a different user-name, but the scenario seems rather too familiar ....

 

My interest in them was rekindled earlier this year, when a German collector offered his collection of 14 on eBay.

I've already written about this in detail in the January 2012 Auction News #1: http://www.seiko7a38.com/news.htm


Listed on eBay Germany today, by a seller with user ID srilanka20082012, who has previously listed many of these watches singly:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/140841095980

FERRARI CARTIER CHRONOGRAPH FERRARI FORMULA UHR SAMMLUNG 22 UHREN NEUWERTIG



 

22 uhren alle funktionieren 20 glieder bei jeder uhr 90%neuwertig anderen leichte tragespuren ersatzteile vorhanden glieder drücker armbänder kein einzelverkauf besichtigung möglich


Yup - a total off 22 Cartier Ferrari chrono's listed together as one lot, with a potential value of 15,000 Euros (if they were sold singly).

Opening bid price of 1.00 Euro, with no reserve set. I think I can fairly confidently speculate at the outcome of this eBay auction. :roll:


Just as I'd predicted, the eBay Bid Cancellation notice duly arrived in my email inbox a few minutes ago. :roll:



Last time I looked at the listing, yesterday evening, bidding had reached something in excess of 5,500 Euros - academic, really. :/

September 8, 2012 at 6:19 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at April 12, 2012 at 1:38 PM

What was it I wrote earlier ?


the rather O.T.T. tri-colour dial (the only one which actually carries the words 'Ferrari Formula Chronographe' on the three sub-dials)

and

If proof were needed of the comparative lack of popularity of the red tri-colour dialed version, here's a recently ended auction ....


I suppose I could equally have posted his one in the 'Crazy  Asking Prices' thread, but seeing as it's a red-dialed Cartier Ferrari:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270954951301

FERRARI- Uhr * original von Cartier bis 1989 gefertigt * NEU *NEU*



This was listed on eBay Germany yesterday, allegedly as 'Item condition: New with tags'. It does appear to be fitted the original red shark strap , albeit looking a tad dry and shriveled, but I suspect even the most ardent collectors will baulk at the opening bid price of

1250 Euros (approx. £1031). 


Some would-be eBay sellers of these Cartier Ferrari Formula chrono's clearly have no idea, not just about pricing ....

Having listed the watch a couple of times, the same seller re-listed it again, last weekend, using a very similar set of photos:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170914018925 now http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170918672293

FERRARI- Uhr * original von Cartier bis 1989 gefertigt * NEU *NEU*



Reducing the opening bid price to a mere 895 Euros (approx. £713) was a small step in the right direction ....

But to contemplate selling it using a newly-created (for the purpose ?) Zero-feedback eBay ID was just plain stupidity ! 


September 30, 2012 at 5:38 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Here's a stainless red-dialed Cartier Ferrari Formula, on the later style bracelet, which sold on eBay Germany earlier this evening:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/300784519303

FERRARI FORMULA CHRONOGRAPH VON CARTIER HERRENARMBANDUHR STAHL PVD BESCHICHTET


 

Ferrari Formula Chronograph von Cartier


Stahl PVD beschichteter Herren-Chronograph - Vergoldete Krone und vergoldeter Ring

Siehe Bilder in High Quality 

Quartz aus den 90er Jahren 

Zifferblatt: rot - mit goldfarben abgesetzten Totalisatoren, Stunden, Minuten und kleine Sekunde; Chronograph, 30-Minuten- und 100stel Sekunden-Totalisator. Signiert mit FERRARI-Logo.

Gehäuse:PVD-beschichtetes Stahl-Gehäuse mit Chronographendrücker; Durchmesser Krone ca. 40 mm. Höhe ca. 10 mm.

Werk: Quartz-Uhrwerk. 

Armband:Edelstahl-Armband mit Stahl-Faltschließe. Armband stufenlos verstellbar.

 

Eine äußerst seltene Rarität, die jedes Sammlerherz höher schlagen lässt.  Es wird garantiert, dass es sich bei diesem Objekt um ein geprüftes Original handelt. 100% Original siehe Schein auf den Bildern!

Wertanlage: Dieses Stück ist auch als Wertanlage anzusehen.


It went for 507 Euros (relatively cheap for one of these) after 14 bids. Not sure why the seller described it as PVD coated. Strange. :/ 


October 1, 2012 at 4:35 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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I thought that price was too good to be true - and also somehow suspected that the seller would be reluctant to let it go for that. 


Not a surprise then, that it was re-listed a couple of days later: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/300788982477



Ironically, the re-listed watch made exactly the same price - 507 Euros, when the second auction ended on 11th October:



October 6, 2012 at 8:22 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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There have been a number of other Cartier Ferrari Formula chrono's, including a few red dialed versions listed, and re-listed again ....

(ad nauseum) recently on eBay Germany, by a variously named sellers (whom I suspect may possibly one and the same person):

erster-bietermister-ming and srilanka20082012. Most have failed to attract buyers.

One which did apparently sell at the weekend was this:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/320997187512

★★ FERRARI CARTIER FORMULA CHRONOGRAPH ROT-SCHWARZ, SEHR SELTEN & WERTANLAGE ★★



 

CARTIER FERRARI FORMULA CHRONOGRAPH 

"GANZ SELTENES MODELL" TOP-Modell mit ROTEM Zifferblatt und schwarz-goldenen Ferrari Armband 

Hier haben SIE die Möglichkeit, diesen sehr schönen ORIGINALEN Ferrari Formula Chrono zu ersteigern. 

Er besticht durch Sportlichkeit und Eleganz zugleich und kann zu jedem Anlass getragen werden. 

Eine sehr schöne zeitlose Uhr die bereits unter Sammlern und Ferrari-Fans sehr hoch gehandelt wird und von Jahr zu Jahr im Wert steigt.

 

Details zu dieser Uhr: 

Marke: CARTIER 

Modell: Ferrari Formula 

Zifferbatt: sehr schönes FERRARI-ROTES Zifferblatt ( in dieser Zifferblattfarbe wird dieses Modell wesentlich höher im Wert gehandelt) 

Funktionen: Stunde, Minute, Zentralsekunde mit Datum-Tag auf 3 Uhr 

Gehäusematerial: Edelstahl in mattiertem schwarz ( ein Traum von Kontrast und so bei keinem anderen Modell zu finden) 

Durchmesser: ca. 40 mm ohne Krone gemessen 

Lünette: goldene Lünette mit Ferrari Schriftzug 

Band: Ferrari Edelstahlband in schwarz mattiert mit goldenen Ferrari Gliedern und Original Ferrari Faltschließe 

Mineral-Glas: hat durch die Jahre Gebrauchsspuren bekommen ( kann aber beim Uhrmacher kostengünstig erneuert werden)

Dieser Cartier Ferrari Chrono aus den 90er Jahren befindet sich in einem dem Alter entsprechenden guten getragenen Zustand und hat daher die üblichen Gebrauchsspuren, siehe Fotos. Das Armband hat sehr wenig Spannungsverlust und ist so sicher sehr selten zu bekommen. Den Gesamtzustand entnehmen Sie bitte anhand den aktellen Fotos. Lieferumpfang wie auf den Fotos zu ersehen.


The seller went to great lengths to point out the various imperfections: scratched crystal, rubbing wear to the bracelet's coating, etc.

It still sold for a comparatively reasonable 451.00 Euros (approx. £363.53) after 10 bids.


October 15, 2012 at 5:17 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Although a couple of red-dialed Cartier Ferrari Formula chrono's appear to have sold for half-reasonable prices recently ....

There are still a few optimistic sellers out there (particularly on eBay in Germany) who persist in asking crazy prices for them. :roll:

I came across this one a couple of days ago. You'll need be logged into eBay.de to view it, as the seller appears to be blocking:


http://www.ebay.de/itm/150928521534

ORIG. FERRARI FORMULA CHRONOGRAPH BY CARTIER**SAMMLERSTÜCK*1.HAND

RARITÄT !! SAMMLERSTÜCK**SUPER WEIHNACHTSGESCHENK**



 

SUPER EXCLUSIVES WEIHNACHTSGESCHENK FÜR JEDEN SAMMLER UND FERRARI FAN

 

SEHR SELTENES SAMMLERSTÜCK UND ECHTE RARITÄT !

 

ORIGINAL FERRARI FORMULA CHRONOGRAPH BY CARTIER --No. F 643 4803--

 

Es handelt sich hierbei um einen der letzten von Cartier hergestellten Ferrari Chronographen

( der Vertrag zwischen Ferrari und Cartier endete am 31.08.1991 ).

Die Uhr wurde von mir am 27.02.1992 neu gekauft und befindet sich seit Kauf in meinem Erstbesitz !

Getragen habe ich diese lediglich wenige Male zu besonderen Anlässen, hierdurch erklärt sich auch der hervorragende Zustand dieser Uhr.

 

Nach nun über 20 Jahren präsentiert sich dieses Schmuckstück in einem

 

***** ABSOLUT PERFEKTEN SAMMLERZUSTAND ***** 

 

Beschreibung: 

Ferrari Formula Chronograph, Hersteller Cartier, No. 643 4803, schweizer Uhrwerk, Kaufdatum 27.02.1991, aus Erstbesitz.

Uhr in schwarzem Stahl mit schwarzem Stahlband und Faltschließe, rotes Ziffernblatt mit gelbem Ferrari Emblem, goldene Kronen, Faltschließe mit Ferrari Emblem, Tages und Datumanzeige.

Batterien regelmässig beim Juwelier gewechselt, optisch sowie technisch einzigartiger Pflegezustand.

 

Lieferumfang : 

Ferrari Formula Chronograph

Ferrari Etuibox

Ferrari Garantiekarte mit Uhrnummer und Kaufdatum

Kaufbeleg / Rechnung vom 27.02.1992

 

Eine der letzten von Cartier hergestellten Ferrari Chrongraphen garantiert höchste Exclusivität und Wertanlage. Gelegenheit für jeden Ferrari Fan und Uhren Liebhaber !

 

Weihnachten steht vor der Tür, natürlich auch ein super exclusives Geschenk für den Liebsten. 

Gerne beantworte ich weitere Fragen zu der Uhr. 

Versand ins Ausland möglich, bitte erfragen Sie jedoch hierfür die Versandkosten.


Ferrari Fan - Buy yourself the perfect pre-Christmas present. Yours for a mere opening bid price of 1900 Euros (approx £1527). :o


October 27, 2012 at 11:11 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Have to say I really like that Paul. But not at that price. Interesting how in the 1st and 3rd photos, the hands, including the sub-dial hands appear black, whilst in the 4th they appear gold.


October 27, 2012 at 1:26 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Simon - from what I've seen, on a later style case / bracelet like that, it would definitely have the gold hands and sub-dial rings.

You may like it, but to my eye, it seems a bit of an odd combination.

According to the would-be seller's description that is a model #  F643 4803.

Compare it to the catalogue illustrations which I'd posted on the previous page:



(10) which is actually on a black leather strap is model F643 4403 and (11) with the gold-plated bezel and links is model # F643 4801.

Personally I think the 'all black' look (bar the pushers and crown) better suits the black dial, and the red dial looks better with the gold.

Regardless whether either of us like it (or not), I think we both agree it's a bl**dy ridiculous asking price. Right ? ;)


October 27, 2012 at 2:31 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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If proof were needed of the comparative lack of popularity of the red tri-colour dialed version ....


It doesn't stop sellers trying to ask ridiculous sky-high prices for them though. :roll: Here's yet another on eBay Germany:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/350575422768

FERRARI FORMULA CHRONOGRAPH DAY-DATE

guter Zustand | + Ferrari-Box & -Unterlagen




Beautifully photographed, very professionally presented listing; the watch obviously in nice well-cared fore used condition ....

But 1600 Euros ???   (approx. £1,282) !! 

November 7, 2012 at 12:25 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Can't you tell Christmas is just around the corner ? 

Not because the high street shops have been full of seasonal stock (for months).

But because the Bay is gradually flooding with Cartier Ferrari Formula chronographs. 

Jaded Ferrari fans often decide (or try to) offload their watches, and turn them into cash, in the run up to Christmas ....

So, in theory, if you've got the spare cash, and you're looking for a Cartier Ferrari Formula, now is as good a time as any to buy one.

But you still need to be careful.  Amongst the raft of common-or-garden early style red-dials out there are a couply of iffy ones. 


Currently listed on eBay Germany, with the auction still another of couple of hours to run, at 351 Euros, but reserve price not met:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130798034209

FERRARI - CHRONOGRAPH, rotes Zifferblatt (Cartier)

absolute Rarität, Sammlerstück



I haven't had the time (or been bothered) to translate the German seller's lengthy multi-coloured description ....

But this one has a non-original replacement pusher at 10 o'clock. It's most clearly visible in these last 2 photos.


Then there's this one, ending in a day or so's time on eBay in France, currently at 252 Euros after 41 bids (and no reserve):


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251179062631

MONTRE ANCIENNE chronographe 1/10S FERRARI par CARTIER quartz watch run great



Looks like a possible bargain buy, in reasonable used condition - at first glance. But hang on a minute ....

According to these extracts from the seller's French / English description:

AIGUILLES: belle état / NEEDLES: perfect

the hands are .... erm. Well, I say 


November 10, 2012 at 9:26 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Here's a rather nicer example of the same early style 'TestaRossa' model of the Cartier Ferrari Formula chronograph:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181020912851

 

FERRARI - Formula by CARTIER Chronograph m.Box .Traumhafte Sammleruhr .Rar !!!




It just sold, a few minutes ago for the opening bid price of  820 Euros (approx. £657.51) - strong money for one of these.



November 18, 2012 at 2:56 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Jaded Ferrari fans often decide (or try to) offload their watches, and turn them into cash, in the run up to Christmas ....

So, in theory, if you've got the spare cash, and you're looking for a Cartier Ferrari Formula, now is as good a time as any to buy one.


This next example rather better confirms my earlier statement:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251183379752

Cartier Ferrari Formula 1 Chronograph- Black and Gold (1988-excellent condition)





Sold in the early hours of this morning for a mere $585 (approx. £367.62) after only two bids; the listing having received 414 views.



One slight mistake the seller made in his lengthy description (that is apart from having the box as his first uploaded image) was this:

.... and the serial number is F6094801.

That's actually the sales product code F609 4801 - the serial number, of course, being the 6-digit number stamped on the case-back.

November 20, 2012 at 12:36 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Here's a black and gold-plated red dialed Cartier Ferrari Formula - the later model # F643 4801 which sold for big money this evening:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/140885480985

FERRARI CARTIER CHRONOGRAPH GOLD SCHWARZ FERRARI FORMULA TOP GERINGE AUFLAGE



FERRARI UHR IN NEU ZUSTAND 20 GLIEDER FÜR STARKE HERREN ALLES FUNKTIONIERT ZUSTAND GLAS KEINE KRATZER GEHÄUSE SUPER TOP BAND NEU NICHT GETRAGEN GESAMT EINE SUPER UHR IN NEU ZUSTAND ABSULUT ALS NEUWERTIG ZU BEZEICHNEN JEDERZEIT ZU BESICHTIGEN NACH ABSPRACHE AUF BEIDEN SEITEN SCHUTZFOLIE DRAUF BEI FRAGEN 01638670617


Or should have sold this time - for 1163 Euros (approx. £935.64) after 19 bids.


I say 'should have', because this (multi-usernamed) Austrian eBay seller 'srilanka20082012' appears to have a nasty habit of re-listing his various Cartier Ferrari Formula chrono's, over and over - if they don't make quite as much as he would have liked them to sell for.


This same watch was previously listed at the beginning of November using 2 larger photos: http://www.ebay.de/itm/140878253216




It went unsold - due, in no small part, to his opening bid price of a whopping 1999.00 Euros. 



So let's see if he's happy to let it go for what actually was a good price, this time. 


November 23, 2012 at 7:04 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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This early style Cartier Ferrari, listed on eBay Germany last weekend made me chuckle - mainly because of the seller's first photo -

The rather clumsy 'wrist shot' of a shop dummy mannequin's hand, complete with matching 'Rosso Corsa' painted fingernails. :lol:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261134526810

FERRARI - CHRONOGRAPH, rotes Zifferblatt (Cartier)




Sie bieten hier für einen seltenen Chronographen. 

Ferrariuhr/Chronograph seinerzeit von CARTIER hergestellt. 

Die Uhr ist von 1988, sie läuft ganggenau und wurde erst kürzlich beim Batteriewechsel von innen gereinigt. 

Das hier angebotene Modell hat das "Rote Zifferblatt". 

Von Sammlern sehr begehrt./Sh. auch Fotos

 

Am 28.11.12 hat der Verkäufer die folgenden Angaben hinzugefügt:

Ein "Drücker" ist rund. Wurde wohl ausgetauscht oder ist so. Kann ich nichts näheres zu sagen.


Yes - it may have been fitted with a non-original (round) replacement pusher, but these things can be found - as posted earlier today.

This is the third re-listing by 'srilanka20082012' (for one pusher only @ 70 Euros each): http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/140893445865

But, regardless of that potential extra cost - I'm sure the final seconds of the auction bought a smile to the face of the winning bidder:

Sold for a mere 381 Euros (approx £309) after 19 bids. Remember I wrote this was a good time of year to think about buying one ? ;)


December 2, 2012 at 1:57 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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By rights, the subject of this post probably better belongs in another aptly titled thread in this same forum section:

http://www.seiko7a38.com/apps/forums/topics/show/7606368 - The non-Seiko branded 7Axx Franken / Wrong Un's thread


But as this Cartier Ferrari Formula is a yet another 'rare' red-dialed version, it can fit this thread just as well, for the time being.

Particularly as it is being offered by an established 'reputable' online dealer - Philippe Boyer of chronographe.fr 


Earlier today, I received my monthly mailshot from them. Ironically, their message was titled: Encore temps de profiter de 2012

Amongst their newest offerings was this:

http://chronographe.fr/montres/chronos?num_boutique=3692&num_langue=21940&sessionid=502493442&liste_dep=1&num_categorie=11562&num_produit=233179&Npage=detail.asp



 

Montre Ferrari par Cartier modèle Chronographe en or et acier à mouvement quartz cadran blanc, sur bracelet acier et or boucle déployante signés Ferrari. 


C'est un des premiers modèles de montre signée officielement par Ferrari commercialisée par la maison Cartier - C'est un modèle rare car il est difficilement trouvable car sa production a été assez limitée à cette époque - Elle ravira tous les amateurs de la marque au cheval cabré par son élégance et son coté sportif et racé qui est représentatif de la maison Ferrari.


Son boitier en acier avec un fond vissé lui confere une étanchéité type "water resistant" à l'origine (éclaboussures) - Le cadran de la montre est ROUGE, avec des aiguilles or - Ses dimensions sont approximativement de 41mm de diamètre et pour une épaisseur de 10 mm - Le modèle est numéroté à l'arrière (visible sur la photo) - Le bracelet est noir et or - Les poussoirs sont neufs ont été changés par des adaptables - Elle est en bon état général et fonctionne parfaitement ainsi que toutes les fonctions de la montre - Ses fonctions sont heure , minute, secondes, jour date et chonos, elle fonctionne parfaitement, la pile est neuve -

 

La montre a été portée vendue d'occasion, elle date de vers 1990 - Elle est vendue dans un écrin neutre avec notice d'origine, certificat d'authenticité et facture.


Apart from the fitment of non-original round replacement pushers, as stated in the description, and the asking price of 1250 Euros ....

Anybody else care to proffer an opinion as to what else might be wrong with it ? 


December 27, 2012 at 2:35 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Sir Alan
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I would hazard a guess that the tachy ring should be red?


December 27, 2012 at 6:20 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Close, Simon - you're on the right track. ;) Look again. There are several good reasons (examples) why I posted it in this thread. 8)

December 27, 2012 at 6:25 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Sir Alan
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Well, looking at the dial batons (yellow), I'd say the hands are wrong.

Of the whole watch (shown), the hands fitted look to be the worst part.


December 28, 2012 at 5:06 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Sir Alan
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Third time lucky perchance?

Looking at the numerous 'reference' photos in this thread, it looks like this watch is a Franken made up from the dial and hands from the later model (the one with the simpler wider bracelet) in the lighter (brushed / silvered?) finish.


Looking at the hands, and the sub-dial surounds there is clear evidence of discolouration / tarnishing, probably caused by battery leakage (or perhaps water ingress).


Interesting that the seller has combined two to make one. One can only assume that both watches were sufficiently damaged to warrant this.


Note the bold ROUGE in the listing description, the seller clearly knows that the red dials are the ones that attract buyers. ;)

 

December 29, 2012 at 11:40 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Sir Alan at December 27, 2012 at 6:20 PM

I would hazard a guess that the tachy ring should be red?


Spot on - at the third attempt, Simon. Also, what you wrote in your first reply post, was also partly correct, but not the exact answer. ;)

You'd normally see that later style red dial with gold sub-dial surrounds (and hands) used in conjunction with a red Tachymeter ring.

Though it could equally well be found in any of the following case finishes: all stainless; two-tone stainless or two-tone black and gold -

(and the all-black version you fancied earlier) but the later style case with the wider lug width, single point fixing (for bracelet or strap).


An early style case and bracelet with a black Tachymeter ring like that would normally have a red dial with the dark grey subdial rings,

and of course the matching dark grey hands with yellow inserts - of which there are so many examples shown in photos in this thread.

So definitely a Franken Ferrari 'cobble' - possibly out of neccessity, or something he's nailed together from left-over components. 

Either way, the would-be seller is taking the piss advantage, particularly at that hefty 1250 Euros asking price. 

Hence the irony in the title of their mail-shot message: Encore temps de profiter de 2012 - still time to take advantage in 2012.


December 29, 2012 at 2:11 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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