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d2ok13
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well, is was 4.5 euros :D

i really like the watch and i look forward to see the ferrari logo under the back plate, after that i can take my time and money to start the reconditioning. thank ;)

May 2, 2013 at 11:53 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Even if it has been fitted with a Seiko 7A48 replacement movement (in place of the Cal. 532) that is still one helluva bargain !  

May 2, 2013 at 12:35 PM Flag Quote & Reply

d2ok13
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yep, keep in touch and i hope for good news on next week

May 2, 2013 at 12:56 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Good luck with it, George. By all means, keep us posted, but if you want to give us updates on your repair, please start a new topic.


Getting back to the original subject of this thread: red-dialed Cartier Ferrari Formula 7A38 Cal. 531's ....

I spotted this one listed by a US eBay seller, which possibly belongs in the 'Crazy' prices thread - but then we've seen a lot worse. :/


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/350786792260



HELLO HERE WE HAVE FOR BIDDING A RARE 1988 FERRARI CHRONOGRAPH, SPLIT SECONDS, DAY/DATE ASYMMETRIC 41MM GOLD AND STEEL CASEIN VERY GOOD CONDITION. INCLUDED IS THE ORIGINAL DEPLOYMENT BLACK AND GOLD STRAP WITH THE FERRARI LOGO.THE BAND STATES FERRARI IN GOLD ON THE BAND. THE FACE OF THE WATCH IN GOLD STATES FERRARI. THE WATCH IS ON BLACK AND GOLD WATCH BAND. THE MOVEMENT IS A SWISS HI GRADE QUARTZ AND THE CASE IS A SCREW TYPE BACK WITH THE PRANCING HORSE ENGRAVED. THE CROWN CHANGES THE TIME. PUSHER @10 STOPS/START SPLIT SECONDS. PUSHER @ 2 AND 4 STARTS AND STOPS THE CHRONOGRAPH. THE NICE RED DIAL IS in CONDITION AS SEEN IN THE PHOTOS. THE CLASP OF THE BAND HAS THE FERRARI LOGO AND STATES FERRARI. THE WATCH WILL FIT A 7.25 INCH WRIST. THE WATCH COME WITH 3 EXTRA LINKS AND THE FERRARI FORMULA GUARANTEE DATED 11/12/88. PLEASE SCROLL DOWN AND VIEW ALL PHOTOS.


I haven't uploaded quite all of the photos the seller has embedded in the listing ....



Note: JAPAN QUARTZ printed on the 9 o'clock subdial - as opposed to SWISS (HI GRADE) QUARTZ. :roll:




Note the pitting, the result of electrolytic corrosion on the pusher at 4 o'clock. The buttons are metal coated injection moulded resin.





The case-back of this early example has the full complement of stamping / engraving, including Ferrari Formula and SWISS CASE.


What made me chuckle about this particular listing was the eBay ID the seller had chosen to use - bearing in mind they have four:


Just goes to show how little research some eBay sellers bother to put in, before posting a listing.  


May 5, 2013 at 5:18 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Slightly for this thread, in that they're not all red-dialed versions, but still certainly worth a mention - and a drool.


http://ferrari-watches.weebly.com/chrono.html 

This is just the Cal. 531 / Cal. 532 / Valjoux 7750 chronograph part of this person's mouth-watering Ferrari Formula collection. 


There's more: http://ferrari-watches.weebly.com/  

Seems whoever this collector is, he has a grail too: http://ferrari-watches.weebly.com/uploaded-pictures.html - a solid 18ct grail !!


May 7, 2013 at 5:28 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Getting back to the original subject of this thread: red-dialed Cartier Ferrari Formula 7A38 Cal. 531's ....

I spotted this one listed by a US eBay seller, which possibly belongs in the 'Crazy' prices thread - but then we've seen a lot worse. :/


The would-be US eBay seller crazy4chopard (a.k.a. crazy4cartier) has since re-listed that Cartier Ferrari Formula a couple of times.

Their most recent iteration now bears little resemblence to their first listing:


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/itm/350797474960


Vintage 1988 Men's Ferrari Formula by Cartier Stainless Steel Chronograph High grade Quartz Watch 

 

Hello there! Here for sale we have a beautiful and authentic Vintage 1988 Men's Ferrari Formula by Cartier Stainless Steel Chronograph High grade Quartz Watch! This watch is in beautiful condition and includes the original box, signed genuine International guarantee, informational booklet, and three extra links. The watch is black with a red face (4 dials) and gold tone middle links. The watch runs and keeps time perfectly. The watch case measures 40.85mm in diameter and the watch weighs 91.5 grams or 3.22 ounces. The authenticating markings of "Ferrari Formula Stainless Steel Water Resistant Quartz Swiss Case 226365" can be found on the back of the case, " Ferrari" on side side of the clasp, and "Steel inoxs Swiss Made Modele Depose" on the other. "Ferrari" can also be found on the band. The watch has some scratching on the band, case, crystal. Two of the crowns have a few dings. Have a great day! California buyers will be charged sales tax.

Not only has the title been amended to include CARTIER, but their previous reference to SWISS HI GRADE QUARTZ MOVEMENT has been corrected. This third (re)listing also has a complete new set of photos attached (rather than embedded like the first one).

These include a better shot of the case-back printing - which also shows the pitting to the 10 o'clock pusher button:




Well somebody had to put them straight.  All they need do now is sort out their somewhat over-optimistic pricing. 


May 18, 2013 at 8:32 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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There are already more than enough examples of Cartier Ferrari Formula 7A38's in this thread to give any potential purchaser an idea of what to expect to have to pay, to get a decent example of one of the preferred red dialed versions. Many of them as turn up on eBay Germany - as did this example yesterday. Although not exactly priced to sell, with a Buy-it-Now asking price of $999 (approx. £660) ....

I still thought this one was worth mentioning for the superb clear set of attached photos and the seller's refreshingly honest description.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111083343570




 

Vintage 1988 Men's Ferrari Formula by Cartier High grade Stainless Steel Chronograph Quartz Watch

 

Here for sale we have a beautiful and authentic Vintage 1988 Men's Ferrari Formula by Cartier Stainless Steel Chronograph High grade Quartz Watch!

This watch is in beautiful condition, signed genuine. The watch runs and keeps time perfectly.

 

The watch case measures 40.85mm in diameter and the watch weighs 91.5 grams.

 

The authenticating markings of "Ferrari Formula Stainless Steel Water Resistant Quartz Swiss Case 284735" can be found on the back of the case, " Ferrari" on side side of the clasp, and "Steel inoxs Swiss Made Modele Depose" on the other. "Ferrari" can also be found on the band. The watch. The has some scratching on the band, case, crystal.

 

100% genuine. No box and papers.


Although in lightly used and well-cared-for condition, I suspect the lack of box and papers (at that price) may put off a few people. :/


May 28, 2013 at 11:54 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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If you've followed this topic or even read some of the more recent posts, you may have noticed with some eBay listings I don't always bother uploading all the seller's listing photos - if I did page loading times would be considerably slower. Other times, as in the previous case, where I think they're worthy of inclusion, I'll upload the complete set (11 images in that particular instance). But what I always do, whether I share them on here or not, is right click and save every photo from every listing I see - including those of 'Boxes and Papers'.


I've started writing up a separate new topic in this section about the Cartier Ferrari Formula chronographs, where I'm going to attempt to quantify the number of different model permutations. It's not going to be an easy task, but I now have an 'extra' ace up my sleeve.

As part of my preamble for my next post, last night I was scanning through photos of 'Boxes and Papers' where you could clearly read the F6xxxxxx Cartier Ferrari Formula model number on the warranty card. Unfortunately not that many are correct (often as not the vendor has written the serial number) nor legible. But while I was going through the first sub-folder, I came across this one again:




Yup - it 's the common-or-garden early style black and gold plated, red dialed model that I call 'TestaRossa' a.k.a. model # F6094801.

We've certainly seen plenty of examples of them in this thread - and it would appear some of them on more than one occasion, too. :/


I carried on skimming through that sub-folder and found another much more recent photo:




It's obviously the exact same warranty card: for a model # F6094801 purchased from Miller MotorCars of Danbury, CN on 11/17/88.

The photo immediately above is one that I hadn't previously bothered uploading to this thread. It comes from a recent current listing.

In fact this one - it's the 12th image in 'Crazy4Chopard's latest (now their 4th re-listing): http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/350802275139 ....

where they've greedily listed it with an over-optimistic opening bid price of $1099 or a 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now option of $1429:roll:


The previous photo with the watch in it's box, including the same warranty card has already been posted - on page 2 of this thread.

It's from an eBay auction listing by a private US seller that ended on 20th of November 2012. My closing comments there read:


Sold in the early hours of this morning for a mere $585 (approx. £367.62) after only two bids; the listing having received 414 views.

 

One slight mistake the seller made in his lengthy description (that is apart from having the box as his first uploaded image) was this:

.... and the serial number is F6094801.

That's actually the sales product code F609 4801 - the serial number, of course, being the 6-digit number stamped on the case-back.


His real mistake, as it turns out, was letting his watch go for a comparatively low figure to yet another profiteering scumbag dealer ! 


May 29, 2013 at 7:00 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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There are already more than enough examples of Cartier Ferrari Formula 7A38's in this thread to give any potential purchaser an idea of what to expect to have to pay, to get a decent example of one of the preferred red dialed versions. Many of them as turn up on eBay Germany - as did this example yesterday. Although not exactly priced to sell, with a Buy-it-Now asking price of $999 (approx. £660) ....

I still thought this one was worth mentioning for the superb clear set of attached photos and the seller's refreshingly honest description.


So many of these speculatively over-priced Cartier Ferrari Formula chrono's (not just the red-dialed versions) are re-listed over and over, time after time at the same price, for months, sometimes years on end. Quite frankly, I sometimes get fed up of adding / deleting the previous listing off my eBay watching page. That one listed by a German seller at the end of May made for a refreshing change, in that not only was it nicely photographed and honestly described, but it achieved 'closure' after a relatively low number of re-listings.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111083343570


His initial listing at $999 garnered but a single offer of $689, which was declined. He then relisted it @ $899:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111091325483


That re-listing received 4 offers, the highest of which was $750 which surprisingly he also declined - to re-list it @ $869:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111099484872


The third re-listing received 5 offers, but the highest of them was only $500, so when that ended, he re-listed it again ....


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111108066644


That re-listing had only received two offers, the highest of which was $620, before the seller ended it early ....

To re-list for it the fifth time as a 10-day auction with an opening bid price of only $0.99 cents and no reserve.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111112910963


It finally sold on Sunday evening, for $759 (approx. £502.50) after 29 bids. The winning bidder appears to be relatively new to eBay.

http://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&_trksid=p2047675.l2565&rt=nc&item=111112910963

 

July 16, 2013 at 11:39 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The would-be US eBay seller crazy4chopard (a.k.a. crazy4cartier) has since re-listed that Cartier Ferrari Formula a couple of times.

Their most recent iteration now bears little resemblence to their first listing: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/itm/350797474960


10 more re-listings later, it finally sold on 30th July for $1000 (against a best offer):


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/350842674784

August 7, 2013 at 9:37 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Then you get the illiterati who can't even manage to spell Ferrari correctly in their listings. 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281043138682

Brand: Ferarri 

Model: Forumula 1 

Movement: Quartz Chronograph 

Box: No Box / No Papers 

Crystal: Sapphire

 

More Info: This listing is for an Authentic Mens Ferarri Chronograph watch. It features a stainless steel case that has been coated black by PVD. It has gold accented center links as well as bezel and pushers. The watch is running well and keeping good time. It has been inspected and certified by our master watchmaker to be authentic Ferarri. Also we believe that this watch was produced by Cartier for Ferarri. The bracelet will fit up to a 7" wrist comfortably not needing any links. The watch case is 41mm across.


A nice clean-looking well-cared-for example of the F609.4801 'TestaRossa' model - typically ambitiously over-priced @ $1250, but missed by a good many people including myself, because of the incorrect spelling: not only the title, but throughout the description.


August 7, 2013 at 9:47 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I've observed over the years I've been watching them, that a high proportion of these Cartier Ferrari Formula chrono's get re-listed ....

even when, on the face of it, they have been bid to and theoretically sold for a reasonable price, like this one was just a month ago:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111112910963


Because this morning, it's back yet again.  


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111143219903


August 14, 2013 at 5:35 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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It didn't sell that time around and was was re-listed once again, this time for $600 .... for which it appears to have finally sold (again):


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111150293128


Coincidentally a black-coated red-dialed 'Testa Rossa' Ferrari Formula chrono' sold on eBay Germany a couple of days previous:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141040515729


This one was an auction listing, starting at 1.00 Euro. The UK Sterling conversion of their two final selling prices was remarkably close. 


August 29, 2013 at 6:12 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Is it really over two months since I last updated this topic ? :/

Well in truth, nothing much has changed. There are still lots of over-priced Cartier Ferrari Formula's (both with the desirable red and other colour dials) being re-listed on eBay, over and over, by speculative would-be sellers - and also a good number of watches that appear to have sold - only to be re-listed later, which to my mind points to shill bidding, rather than genuine non-paying bidders. 


Last week, I spotted a NOS example, listed on eBay Germany, that I actually thought worth mentioning, for a change:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151161964945




Note that the papers being supplied with it were not correct for the watch. They've been filled in as being a model # F6524.801 (the later style bracelet black / gold red-dial version is # F643.4801), whereas this is the early 'TestaRossa' version model # F609.4801.


Regardless, it sold as a Buy-it-Now, for the 745 Euros asking price, on Sunday morning:


November 11, 2013 at 12:33 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Coincidentally, and in no way related, other than it's the same 'TestaRossa' Ferrari Formula chrono', model ref. F609.4801 ....

The day before that listing appeared there was a nice little thread started by 'Sami', a.k.a. Micheal on Uhrforum.de:

http://uhrforum.de/m-altes-fundstueck-cartier-ferrari-chrono-t154357 - where he re-discovered his old Cartier Ferrari Formula.


November 11, 2013 at 1:25 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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As I've observed in previous years, during the seasonal run up to Christmas there were loads of Cartier Ferrari Formula chrono's listed on eBay by hopeful would-be sellers. No bargains to be had and those auctions which looked like they might be bid to something like a sensible / reasonable price (for example the middle one) were ended early. Here's three in a row from my eBay watching page:



Some, like the third one down had been re-listed over and over from earlier in the year - that one since the first week of August. :roll:


December 30, 2013 at 6:16 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Needless to say, as always, there were a few speculators sharks listing them with ridiculous pie-in-the-sky asking prices. :roll:

This one on eBay Germany with an opening bid price of 2500 Euros first appeared on 20th December. It's just been re-listed:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291046832558



Another one, with a Buy-it-Now price of $3500 appeared on eBay in the States this morning and prompted me to update this thread.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/161186264568



The seller's description reads:

 

RARE OPPORTUNITY TO ACQUIRE SUCH HISTORICAL TIMEPIECE. 

ORIGINAL FERRARI WATCH MADE BY CARTIER IN 1980S.

THIS IS THE TOP OF THE LINE UP "CHRONOGRAPH VERSION" AND AS I WAS TOLD IT WAS RETAILED AT $5000 BACK THEN. SINGLE OWNER & COLLECTOR SINCE BRAND NEW TILL ABOUT 3-4 YEARS AGO. I PURCHASED A FEW WATCHES FROM HIM. I NEVER WORE IT PHOTOGRAPHED THEN AND PUT IT AWAY. NOW IT IS FOR SALE. 

BOX AND PAPERS ARE ORIGINAL WITH THE TAG. 

DO NOT PASS ON THIS.

$3500 or make offer.


I really dunno why I bother adding listings like these to my eBay watching page. :roll: I'm certainly going to pass. :lol:


December 30, 2013 at 6:45 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I haven't added anything to this thread in a long time - for a simple reason, time - but mostly because it's been the same speculatively over-priced watches being re-listed over and over, ad nauseam. Occasionally though, you'll see a low start no-reserve eBay auction.

There's one currently on eBay Germany. Here's a straight copy and paste of my post from the 'pusher' thread in the eBay section:


Originally posted (by myself) May 12, 2014 at 11:14 AM


Here's an interesting example, listed on eBay Germany - one of the more desirable stainless two-tone red-dialed Ferrari Formulas.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/161302476234

The seller's brief German desciption:


Angeboten wird ein Ferrari Chrono von 1987 mit Box und Papieren. Aus der Formula Serie von Cartier. Funktion einwandfrei, Drücker links oben wurde mal ersetzt. Guter Zustand mit Tragespuren siehe Bilder die auch Teil der Beschreibung sind. Habe eine zweite Uhr bekommen und deshalb wird diese wieder verkauft.Versand D 6,90€, EU 30 Euro, Schweiz und den Rest der Welt bitte anfragen.


Which Google translates (badly) as:


Offered is a Ferrari Chrono 1987 with box and papers. From the Formula series of Cartier. Function properly handle was replaced times the upper left. Good condition with wear marks see pictures that are also part of the description. Did get a second clock and therefore please inquire this verkauft.Versand D € 6.90,  EU € 30, Switzerland and the rest of the world again.


Although the seller has sort of disclosed the fact that it's fitted with a (non-original) replacement pusher, it's not the best of English. :roll:

The photos certainly are worth studying. At first glance, everything looks to be in order ....



The photo above clearly shows the non-original pusher. But what's also interesting is the well-worn condition of the other two pushers. I'd known for some time now, that these fragile buttons were made of metal skinned resin injection mouldings (the same technique was used on certain Orient J39 watch cases), but this is the first time I've seen such an obvious instance of them wearing right through.


May 12, 2014 at 6:36 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Hardly worth mentioning, but yet another stupidly speculatively over-priced Cartier Ferrari Formula 'TestaRossa' Cal. 531 came up in my eBay saved favourite search notifications this morning - listed on eBay Germany. Yours for a mere 2490 Euros (over £2K !!) 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221438436708


Nothing special really, yet another used example of probably what is almost certainly the most commonly-seen variant. :roll:



But this one is being offered by a (online, if not official) Ferrari dealer http://www.isert24.de, so what would you expect ? 



May 13, 2014 at 7:07 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Sir Alan
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Thanks to Paul and this thread, I picked up the red dialled, silver cased example a week or so ago. I've been after a red dialled one of these ever since, and I'm really, really pleased with it.


I always intended to swap the dial / hands into this:



which I've just done to give this:


 

which is how a Ferrari watch should look. 8)


Fear not for the donor watch, I have plans to get this back up and running and looking very good ....


May 31, 2014 at 9:13 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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