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Seiko7A38 at September 13, 2019 at 7:10 AM

Seiko7A38 at May 23, 2019 at 4:38 AM

There have been an unusually high number of stainless red-dialed Cartier Ferrari Formula's listed and sold on eBay recently, particularly model # F6104801. But I suspect this example, listed yesterday evening by a US eBay seller, will be hanging around unsold for a long time. Not only is it in no better than average well worn condition, without box or papers, but the deluded would-be seller is asking an absolutely ridiculous $2525 as a Buy-it-Now ! 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/392301211614


Over the last 4 months the US eBay seller had made a number of revisions to the listing. Most were unusually changes to the Postage Terms, but there were also 4 reductions made to their original ludicrous 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price, which by mid-July had bought it down to 'only' $1800. :roll:



In fact, looking at the final iteration of the listing, it appears they were later offering it through eBay's dysfunctional GSP programme (which wasn't originally an option).


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/392301211614



For anybody foolhardy enough to contemplate it, that would have added nearly $540 in charges to the 'reduced' $1800 Buy-it-Now price ! :o


Checking my eBay watching page, it appears to have finally sold, late last night.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/392301211614

The eBay Purchase History reveals that there was only ever one offer tendered.



The alternative 'True Selling Price' link reveals it sold for an offer of $1500 !! :o


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemVersion&item=392301211614



As I've written many times - all it ever takes is one. Clearly suffering from not only the 'Red Mist', but a distinct lack of due diligence. :roll:



I make no apologies for the lengthy double quote. :P Just carrying forward most of the relevant information from the previous page. ;) That red-dialed Cartier Ferrari Formula, in little better than average well worn condition, which supposedly sold last month for $1500, against a sole offer, was back on eBay again, re-listed by the US eBay seller late yesterday evening. Presumably common sense (on the part of the buyer) must have prevailed. :)


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/401914406632


October 8, 2019 at 3:00 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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I'd meant to write this up earlier, when I first saw the listing. This Cartier Ferrari Formula Cal. 531, model # F6434801, in decent used condition, was listed by a German eBay seller as a 10-day auction, with an opening bid price of 650 Euros.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/113914862849



Verkauf im Auftrag meiner Eltern: einen sehr gut erhaltenen sowie voll funktionstüchtigen Ferrari by Cartier Herren Chronographen (die Damenvariante findet ihr in meiner anderen Auktion)

Ferrari Formula by Cartier Damen Uhr/ Original Identifizierungsnummer: 335846

Kaufdatum: Anfang der Neunziger

Mitte der 90iger Jahre wurde die Uhr generalüberholt!

Zustand: sehr guter Zustand!

Batterie läuft noch, keinerlei Kratzer auf dem Glas, geringe Abnutzungen am goldenen Uhrenkranz, Armband schließt und öffnet perfekt, alle Chronographfunktionen arbeiten perfekt.

Armbandmaterial: Edelstahl schwarz/gold

Durchmesser/Umfang des Armbands bis zum jeweiligen Bandanstoss der Krone beträgt 21cm! Also maximal weites Armband, welches noch gekürzt werden kann.

Gehäuse: Edelstahl /vergoldet / wasserdicht

Privatverkauf daher leider ohne Garantie (aber mein Versprechen, dass die Uhr einwandfrei in Ordnung ist - checkt meine vielen positiven Bewertungen!) Keine Rücknahme.

*********************************************************************************************************************************************************

ENGLISH VERSION / DESCRIPTION

Sale on behalf of my parents: a very well preserved and fully functional Ferrari by Cartier men wristwatch

You can find the women´s version in my other auction

Ferrari Formula by Cartier Men Watch / Original Identification Number: 335846

Date of purchase: early 90s

In the middle of the 90s the watch was overhauled!

Status: very good condition!

Battery is still running, no scratches on the glass, minor wear on the golden clock wreath, bracelet closes and opens perfectly, all chronograph functions work perfectly.

Bracelet material: stainless steel black / gold

Diameter / circumference of the bracelet up to the respective lug of the crown is 21cm! So maximum wide bracelet, which can be shortened.

Case: stainless steel / gold plated / waterproof

The Case is in a good condition - inside better than outside

Private sale, therefore unfortunately no guarantee (but my promise that the clock is perfectly fine - check my many positive reviews!). No return.


The auction finished a few moments ago, selling for 785 Euros after 19 bids.


http://ebay.co.uk/itm/113914862849


I'm not sure if it holds any significance, but the winning bidder, who also placed the opening bid and 13 of the 19 bids in total, has 100 % activity with the seller. :/

October 16, 2019 at 10:18 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Do you ever get that uncanny feeling of Déjà Vu ? I know I do - far too often. :roll:

Late this afternoon, this eBay notification dropped into my email inbox:



It was weird - because before I even clicked the link I had that feeling of Déjà Vu.


It's another Cartier Ferrari Formula Cal. 531, model # F6434801, in decent well cared-for condition, listed by a German eBay seller with a typically grossly over-optimistic opening bid price of 1250 Euros. Especially in the light of the fact it's a ONE day auction - Yes only 24 hours - 8 hours of which have already expired !!


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/303327540003



Ferrari Cartier Chronograph, rotes Ziffernblatt. Zustand: Gebraucht. Versand mit DHL Paket bis 2 kg.

Vermutlich beim Batteriewechsel ist ein Kratzer auf der Bodenrückseite entstanden (siehe Foto), ansonsten befindet sich die Uhr in einem sehr guten Zustand und wurde nur selten getragen.

Privatverkauf, deshalb keine Rücknahme, Garantie oder Gewährleistung.


As I habitually do, I right-clicked and saved the seller's 10 photos. But with each 'new' photo that I saved I got the feeling of Déjà Vu. So before posting anything, I scrolled back through the last few pages of this thread, to see if I'd posted about it before. I hadn't. Intrigued, I then searched through my photo archives and found almost exactly the same set of photos, which I'd saved on October 13th 2018.


As they were already suitably captioned (but included 'Oct2018' in their filenames), that's what I've posted above. Oddly, the German eBay seller has only uploaded 10 of his photos to this current listing, versus the full set of 12 from this previous listing last October. The 'extra's are #5 and #8 (in the order that I've posted them). ;)


October 19, 2019 at 1:19 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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To no great surprise, the German eBay seller's 1-day auction for his Cartier Ferrari Formula Cal. 531, model # F6434801, ended with no bids placed - unsold again.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/303327540003


Evidently, even though I'd saved his photos, I hadn't bothered to take a screen print of the listing last time. But I had a search through my old emails and found the eBay notification from last year: It was dated Saturday 13th October 2018, which ties in with the day / date shown on the photos of the watch - SAM 13.



As you can see from the thumbnail, he used the same primary image. His opening bid price last year was an absolutely ludicrous 1545 Euros. Obviously the link in that email no longer works, because the original eBay listing has long since disappeared into the ether, so I can't be certain that was also a 1-day listing.


While I was writing up this post, the German eBay seller briefly re-listed it, but then after just 6 minutes, ended that re-listing as item allegedly no longer available. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/303328854719



If he remains true to his very strange form, I predict that we should next expect to see it re-listed again on Saturday 17th October 2020:lol:


October 20, 2019 at 5:08 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Evidently out to prove my prediction wrong, at the weekend, German eBay seller michaelh6709 re-listed his Cartier Ferrari Formula Cal. 531, model # F6434801 once again, as a 3-day auction, with an opening bid price of 1049 Euros.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/303402631730


It ended a few moments ago, with no bids placed - still unsold.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/303402631730

Edit: He finished off with his usual flourish, briefly re-listing it, then ending it as NLA. 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/303406200324



December 17, 2019 at 5:00 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I don't usually expect to see any 'bargain-priced' Cartier Ferrari Formula's at this time of year, but there was this red dialed Cal. 531, model F6094801, which sold on eBay Germany recently for a very reasonable price, that deserves a mention here.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/193236827392

Cartier Ferrari Formula Cartier Chronograph Rot. Gold Schwarz Bicolor


 

Cartier Ferrari Formula Cartier Chronograph. Zustand: Gebraucht. Versand mit DHL Paket bis 2 kg.

Versicherter Versand.


It was originally listed in the penultimate week of November, as a 10-day auction, with an opening bid price of 383 Euros.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/193219973334

Strangely, nobody elected to bid on it. Perhaps it was the lack of customary Ferrari logo'd presentation box and papers, that deterred potential buyers. :/ The German eBay seller duly re-listed it, in the same format. Second time around it attracted 2 bids and sold for a very reasonable 385 Euros.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/193236827392

December 17, 2019 at 5:42 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The run up to Christmas is what I call the 'Silly Season'  - particularly on eBay Germany. It's unlikely you'll ever see anything sillier than this. 


At the beginning of December, Austrian eBay seller srilanka20082012* whose strange antics have featured in this thread on numerous previous occasions over the years, listed what appeared to be his entire collection of Cartier Ferrari Formula watches (including an 18K gold 7750 chrono'), lighters, pens and brochures as a 10-day no reserve auction with an opening bid price of just 1 Euro. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/143459739407



Ferrari formula uhren sammlung Schreiber feuerzeug pens cartier Prospekte . Zustand: Neu mit Etikett. Versand mit Versicherter Versand.


Having seen him pull similar (if not quite so outrageously excessive) stunts many times before, I placed a low bid, just for the heck of it, in full anticipation of the arrival in my inbox of the inevitable eBay bid cancellation notice.



It lasted 4 days, before he pulled the listing. The highest bid was only 100 Euros !


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/143459739407



*Incidentally, srilanka20082012 appears to have recently created another alias:

ferrari_formula_montre See: https://www.ebay.co.uk/usr/ferrari_formula_montre


December 17, 2019 at 6:51 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I'd meant to write this up last week, but with one thing and another, just simply ran out of time. A couple of weeks ago, a decent looking example of the Cartier Ferrari Formula Cal. 531, model # F6094801 was listed on Catawiki by an Italian seller, with an opening bid price of 1 Euro. The alleged 'Expert's estimate was a slightly over-optimistic 900 - 1000 Euros.


http://www.catawiki.com/l/33582761-ferrari-made-by-cartier-formula-chrono-men-1980-1989



I did admittedly place a few low-ish bids on it, but had absolutely no intention of following through. The auction ended last Sunday evening, with the Cartier Ferrari Formula selling for 800 Euros (+ 9% Catawiki commission).


http://www.catawiki.com/l/33582761



January 24, 2020 at 7:02 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Here's an intriguing one, with an unusual twist ....

Last weekend, Austrian seller ferrari_formula_montre (a.k.a. srilanka20082012) listed an allegedly NOS unworn Cartier Ferrari Formula Cal. 531, model # F6434801 on eBay Germany, with a 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of 1700 Euros, or the option to make an offer. I didn't bother taking a screen print at the time, but here's how it would have looked (minus the buttons):


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/312954779138



Ferrari cartier ferrari formula uhr chronograph hau top mit stahlband Zustand: neu sehr guter Zustand uhr funktioniert alles mit box und beschreibung.


Now although this seller is obviously an avid collector of Cartier Ferrari Formula watches and related ephemera, because of his distinctly dodgy eBay tactics and somewhat erratic behaviour, quite frankly I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. His favoured modus operandi is to end listings as allegedly no longer available, cancelling all bids in the process.


I added the item to my eBay watching page, half expecting it to be ended in the usual manner. Much to my amazement, when I was scrolling through it earlier today, I spotted this listing had dropped down to the bottom of page 6 and was now tagged as eBay note: This item is out of stock - implying that it had sold.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/312954779138


I checked the Purchase History, to confirm whether it had sold against a best offer:



Indeed it had. But when I took the next logical step of checking the alternative 'true selling price' link, it showed he had sold it for only 1 Euro ! :o


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemVersion&item=312954779138


He obviously didn't - and is continuing to avoid paying eBay commission on the full selling price. Caveat Emptor !!


January 25, 2020 at 8:03 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Sometimes, I really do wonder why I bother adding items to my eBay watching page, only to watch them being re-listed over and over. :roll:


This stainless two-tone red-dialed Cartier Ferrari Formula, model # F6104801 was listed by a German eBay seller, in the first week of December 2019. It was typically ridiculously speculatively over-priced, as they often are during the run up to Christmas, with a 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of 1460 Euros.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/114002794399



To no great surprise, it remained unsold and the seller eventually ended the listing on 11th January, because of an error - presumably in the over-optimistic pricing.


Rather surprisingly, the German eBay seller re-listed a few hours later as a 7-day auction with a somewhat more realistic opening bid price of 500 Euros.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm//114061638606

 



Original Ferrari Formula, hergestellt von Cartier Herrenuhr.

Rarität. Originalität wurde uns bestätigt. 

Die Uhr wurde im Originalzustand der 70er/80er belassen, was diese für Kenner und vor allem Sammler sehr interessant macht. 

Original Ferrari rot (selten). 

Die Uhr funktioniert einwandfrei (Batterie wurde erneuert), was ebenfalls selten bei diesem Alter des Chronographen vorzufinden ist. 

Anhand der recherchierbaren Referenz Nr., dürfte es sich um eine der ersten Modelle dieser Serie der späten 70er/Anfang 80er handeln. 

Dies macht die Uhr sehr speziell und ist eine Rarität - ein sog. "Oldtimer".

Der Ferrari Schriftzug ist sogar noch lesbar. 

Schätzung der Uhr von 3 unabhängigen Verständigen vorab. 

Referenz Nr. 115749

Edelstahl/Gold

Original Box. Original Garantiekarte unbeschriftet. 

Abgabe unter Ausschluss der gesetzlichen Sachmängelhaftung.


I thought it might possibly have attracted a single bid @ 500 Euros. But No.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/114061638606

The German eBay seller re-listed it almost immediately, same 7-day auction format, with the same opening bid price of 500 Euros .... and continued to do so to no avail.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/114072549863

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/114083993241

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/114094282924

They'd re-listed it yet again yesterday lunchtime, with typical teutonic efficiency. But checking my eBay watching page, I noticed they've ended this most recent 7-day auction re-listing after a little over 24 hours, as item allegedly no longer available. 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/114104627467



So who knows ? :/ Sold off eBay in response to a 'back door' offer ? Or withdrawn and put back in the drawer, ready to reappear on eBay in time for next Christmas, stupidly over-priced like last year ? Your guess is a good as mine.


February 9, 2020 at 12:29 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Clearly out to prove my assumptions wrong, yesterday evening, the German eBay seller k-u-n-t-e-r-b-u-n-t re-listed his Cartier Ferrari Formula Cal. 531 once again. This time as a 5-day auction with an opening bid price of 126 Euros. Why only 126 Euros, which is less than a tenth of his original ludicrous 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price (from the first week of December) only he knows. Perhaps there was also the option of a Buy-it-Now price, but now that an initial bid's been placed, it's gone. :/


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/114111474001


February 13, 2020 at 4:48 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The above most recently re-listed German eBay 5-day auction for a Cartier Ferrari Formula Cal. 531 ended a few moments ago, selling for a mere 167 Euros after only 6 bids. A proverbial bargain for the winning bidder, assuming the seller does actually honour the transaction - bearing in mind his earlier expectations.


February 17, 2020 at 3:30 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Here's another Cartier Ferrari Formula Cal. 531, which I'd intended to write up last week, but simply ran out of time. If nothing else, it serves to demonstrate that, even if comparatively sensibly priced for the condition, these things can take sometimes rather longer to sell than you might expect.


This one-owner model # F6094801, in average worn condition, was listed by a US eBay seller in the last week of September 2019, with a Buy-it-Now price of $800, with the option to make an offer. It was offered to potential buyers outside USA through eBay's dysfunctional GSP programme. Checking my records, this was the third example of this model listed on eBay that month.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/333342813169

 

Original owner. CARTIER FERRARI FORMULA CHRONOGRAPH WATCH TWO TONE DAY & DATE - WORKS PERFECTLY. Condition is Pre-owned.


Checking the item revision history shows that although the seller made a couple of tweaks to the listing, he didn't amend the pricing throughout the listing duration.



It finally sold on 12th February, not for the full $800 Buy-it-Now price, but ....


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/333342813169

As revealed by the alternative 'true selling price' link, for a best offer of $700:


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemVersion&item=333342813169


PS - During the 4½ months the listing was live it received some 1980 views.


February 18, 2020 at 6:11 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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