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NoDak
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Hi Paul, It's Gabe O. in VA.  We'll have to catch-up one of the days.

Elsewhere, I have my eye on a Filipino-located 7A28-7050 on the Bay and was wondering if you had any thoughts on it.  I'm trying to avoid a similar disappointment as I had with my 7A38-704A.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/160777251692

I think Watchcooking had a 7050 several months back and I was wondering if you still had the info from that auction (condition/selling price) and possibly an anticipated range for this example.

Thanks - Gabe O.

April 6, 2012 at 8:37 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Hi, Gabe - and Welcome Aboard (at last). :D Hopefully we'll be joining you at some point - check the 'Database' tab. ;)

I didn't immediately recognise the email address you registered with, so I sent you a PM - which you can ignore now.


Give me a few minutes and you'll get a full and frank reply. 

In the meantime, you may want to compare what you're thinking about bidding on with this one: http://jimmyfu.com/watchsold/7a28.html


First off, I don't tend to follow 7A28's anywhere as near as closely as I do 7A38's, and so I don't often add them to my eBay watching page, nor right-click and save the listing photos - unless it's something of particular interest. I have a vague recollection of José Sotto ('Watchcooking') listing a 7A28-7050 on eBay, but I went back through the first 10 or so pages of his feedback, to the end of last year, and didn't find it - so I'm sorry, I can't really comment on / compare that one. :(


Other than José Sotto, whose eBay listing descriptions are always scrupulously honest, quite frankly I'd be wary about buying a watch from any of the other Filipino sellers. Apart from the fact that some of them are 'economic with the truth' in their listing descriptions ('deception by omission' seems to be the norm), many sellers also use the trick of multiple, but very small photos - 'Clm1002' and 'Restoredwatches' spring to mind. Although he's omitted to mention a couple of things, at least this seller is giving you nine clear decent-sized photos to base your judgement on.

I don't know this particular seller 'collectvintage_watches'. He's relatively new to eBay (compared to some of the other Filipino sellers). He only registered on eBay in May last year, and his feedback is currently only (45).

One thing José Sotto told me, a while back - is that watches you might buy from the Philippines are not necessarily just 'secondhand' - they often have had maybe 4 or 5 owners - and so are frequently 'tired' as a result.


Look hard at those photos in the listing for that 7A28-7050 you're considering. That watch is very tired. Look at the black-ness around the bracelet link hinges. That's a sure sign of heavy wear in the bracelet pins. The original matt silver anodized coating  is worn off almost every surface. The bezel inlay printing is worn away. The orange plastic pusher buttons are worn rounded, and one appears to be cracked. As is often the case with watches coming out of the Philippines, due to the bright sunlight, the hands have faded from their original deep orange to a pale yellow. The lume on the main hands has blackened too - a sure sign of moisture ingress at some point. About the only saving grace of this watch is that (unlike many ex-Filipino watches), it still appears to have a good number of bracelet adjustment links left. I count 7 links on one side and possibly 9 on the other, so it would certainly still fit a 7½" wrist - maybe even bigger. That's probably the only positve thing I could say about it, in all honesty.


This watch may end up selling relatively cheaply - maybe in the region of $200 - $250, because of it's less than perfect condition.

All I'm saying is that if you have set your heart on this model, there will always be much better examples to be found. Be patient. ;)

April 6, 2012 at 8:45 AM Flag Quote & Reply

NoDak
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Yeah, it's been a while.  I was tied-up on the projects we discussed previously and, more importantly, I was put into watch exile by the Mrs. after my last couple purchases.  However, an itch left unscratched...


The jimmyfu one really puts the Bay one in perspective; I had thought the Bay one was pretty decent, with the missing black paint on the lettering and the occasional scuffs being the only defects.  After comparing the two, my novice 7A eyes see:


1)  Chrono hands have faded to yellow from orange

2)  The lume has vanished from the hour/minute hands.  On a side note, where does that material go?  Is it floating around inside the watch?

3)  The black mark/discoloration on the Split Timing pusher

4)  The crowns are not the same.  Does that mean the Bay watch has a non-factory crown fitted?

Also,

5)  What is that additional flush-mounted pusher just counter-clockwise from the crown?

6)  So all that noted and back to my original post (to which I'm sure you have a wonderfully informative reply brewing), what would a watch like jimmyfu's go for?  What is a fair range on the Bay one?  What would it take, if it's possible to get the Bay one fixed up? (Hands replaced, pusher cleaned?, etc.)

April 6, 2012 at 9:27 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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I think you answered the questions for yourself, while I was typing the rest of my reply (in the previous post), eh Gabe ? ;)


I'm sorry, but I honestly don't know that particular 7A28 model well enough to make accurate replies to a couple of your questions.

But, if you do fancy a 7A28-7050, I suggest do your own homework properly first. They're not particularly rare, as some sellers might have you believe. NOS examples turn up fairly regularly, particularly on eBay in Italy (because it was a 'Guigiaro' model), but often as not, with ridiculous asking prices. Yahoo Japan auctions is another place you'll find them cropping up. None on there at the moment.

April 6, 2012 at 9:44 AM Flag Quote & Reply

NoDak
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I forgot to explicitly thank you for the jimmyfu link which cleared a lot of things up.  THANKS PAUL!


On a summarizing note, I do like the 7A28-7050 and wouldn't mind finding an NOS or nearly NOS at some point in the future.  However, there are still so many 7A models that I haven't seen yet that might be even more to my liking, so maybe I'll hold off on the NOS plunge until that exhaustive 7A catalogue gets made and I can make the most informed decision possible :).


Regards - Gabe O.

April 6, 2012 at 10:34 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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If you're already in trouble with the missus, and decide to go the NOS route - you'll need to convince her you've found a bargain. ;)

In which case, I'd shop around till you've found a 7A28-7050 at a reasonably affordable / sensible price and then show her this one:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm//270900414664

VINTAGE SEIKO CHRONOGRAPH CALIBER 7A28 - 7050 BY GIUGIARO



The (totally unrealistic) asking price on that one was $2400 !!  :lol: Check out the 'Craziest Prices' thread, if you haven't already. ;)

April 6, 2012 at 11:14 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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I think Watchcooking had a 7050 several months back and I was wondering ....


Funny you should have mentioned that (and omitted the 7Axx cal. number), Gabe. 

José Sotto (a.k.a. 'Watchcooking') listed one overnight: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/370601674805

and, in doing so, made the all-too-common mistake (which I'll admit to making myself, sometimes):

VINTAGE SEIKO SPEEDMASTER GIUGIARO QUARTZ CHRONO 7A38-7050 RARE 


In fact, it looks like he's totally screwed the listing up, because the first line of his description starts:

Here's a HTF Seiko quartz Chronograph, 7A38-705A....42mm


This seller is currently away until 09 April 2012. José's on holiday - probably  gone fishing. I suspect he was in a rush to schedule his next batch of listings, before he went, and so he used his previous listing for a 7A38-705A (item # 370597128359) as a template. :roll:


I wouldn't say that José's example of a 7A28-7050 is any better - in truth, it's probably worse, overall. The dial and hands look slightly better, but it's fitted with an incorrect replacement bracelet, which looks like a Seiko p/n B1424. It also gives the general impression of being very tired. It'll be interesting to see what these two go for, in comparison, but personally, I'd pass on both of them.

April 9, 2012 at 4:39 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Here's half a dozen photos from each listing, for comparison:


collectvintage_watches - http://www.ebay.com/itm/160777251692



Watchcooking - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/370601674805


JimmyFu (Sold) - http://jimmyfu.com/watchsold/7a28.html




April 9, 2012 at 5:52 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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This watch may end up selling relatively cheaply - maybe in the region of $200 - $250 ....


Seems that I was possibly a little over-enthusiastic in my guesstimate. :roll:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160777251692 - that 7A28-7050 made only $183.50 (approx. £115.71) after 14 bids. :(


It'll be interesting to see what José Sotto's example makes by comparison. Sometimes it amazes me the prices he manages to achieve.

April 10, 2012 at 10:37 PM Flag Quote & Reply

jair1970
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Knackered or not, OK knackered, that's still pretty cheap for that.

I imagine Jose Sotto's good reputation combined with worldwide shipping should ensure a better price for his offering.

April 11, 2012 at 4:23 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Seiko7A38 at April 10, 2012 at 10:37 PM

This watch may end up selling relatively cheaply - maybe in the region of $200 - $250 ....


Seems that I was possibly a little over-enthusiastic in my guesstimate. :roll:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160777251692 - that 7A28-7050 made only $183.50 (approx. £115.71) after 14 bids. :(


It'll be interesting to see what José Sotto's example makes by comparison. Sometimes it amazes me the prices he manages to achieve.

Incredible how he does it. 

The eBay auction for José Sotto's 7A28-7050 just ended.

Despite the incorrect '7A38' in his listing title, and being on a non-original bracelet, it still made $255 (approx. £160.53).

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/370601674805 - which is slightly better than the price I'd expected the other one might achieve. :roll:

April 15, 2012 at 4:28 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Another example which suffers from a combination of the same problems as the previous two was listed on eBay in Italy earlier today:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170825180472

orologio seiko chronograph




April 15, 2012 at 4:47 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Sold this afternoon for a mere 56.00 Euros (approx. £45.89) after 20 bids. The price was probably a reflection of the watch's overall poor condition, especially the dial and hands, the fact that it was on a non-original bracelet, combined with a poorly titled auction listing and a vague description, and coming from a low-feedback (10) seller in Italy. Possibly someone picked up a bargain, but I doubt it. :/

April 22, 2012 at 8:53 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Seiko7A38 at April 6, 2012 at 11:14 AM

If you're already in trouble with the missus, and decide to go the NOS route - you'll need to convince her you've found a bargain. ;)

In which case, I'd shop around till you've found a 7A28-7050 at a reasonably affordable / sensible price and then show her this one:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm//270900414664

VINTAGE SEIKO CHRONOGRAPH CALIBER 7A28 - 7050 BY GIUGIARO



The (totally unrealistic) asking price on that one was $2400 !!  :lol: Check out the 'Craziest Prices' thread, if you haven't already. ;)


The price on that one has now dropped to something slightly more realistic - 'only' $1350 (approx. £831.43). :o

See: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270966362587 - it must be 'Special Offer' week in Italy - $1000+ discount today only. :lol:

Just goes to show how some of these Italian sellers asking such ludicrous prices must pull their numbers out of the air. :roll:

April 30, 2012 at 5:01 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Incidentally, that 7A28-7050 sold a week later, on May 8th, for another even lower 'special offer price' of just $1000 (approx. £621.23):

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270966362587

May 13, 2012 at 4:18 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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