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Seiko7A38 at March 31, 2019 at 11:08 AM

This 7A38-701B 'Vulcan' in what appears to be decent, lightly worn condition, was listed yesterday evening, by a UK eBay seller as a 10-day auction, with an opening bid price of £150. The seller describes it's condition as 'Excellent' and 'Rarely worn', but has to be said it looks a little grubby in places.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/192875296105


At the risk of almost repeating myself ....

I hadn't bothered updating the thread before, but the day after he'd listed it, the UK eBay seller of the 7A38-701B 'Vulcan' added another photo to his listing:


On 31-Mar-19 at 17:49:39 BST, seller added the following information:

Additional photograph of the face in detail added.




Surprisingly, like the US eBay seller in February (on the previous page), he didn't bother to re-order his photos to make this much better photo the primary image. :/


During the first 3 days of the 10-day auction there appeared to be what can only be construed as some blatant shill bidding going on. Twice it was bid to £700, before a large number of bids were retracted. Nearly all the bidders concerned had either 100% (or close to 100%) activity with the seller. One such possible shill bidder who placed a single bid of £680 on 1st April did not retract their bid, thereby effectively setting the seller's reserve price.


It all became academic when the 10-day auction ended on Tuesday evening, with the 7A38-701B 'Vulcan' selling for a very strong £1019.67 after eventually 13 bids. That's almost Seiko 7A28 RAF Gen. 1 money ! :lol:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/192875296105

April 11, 2019 at 3:53 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at March 7, 2019 at 12:27 AM

It's back again this morning - re-listed overnight.  


Indeed, the clearly deranged and embittered Australian eBay seller aussiewatches continued his 'hit and run' tactics, re-listing the fraudulent 'Vulcan' a total of four times during the latter part of the week. All of these were supposedly 30-day listings, but typically ended as 'no longer available' after varying intervals.


Re-listed Wednesday 6th March – duration approx. 25¼ hours:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/123678531416


Re-listed Friday 8th March – duration approx. 9¼ hours:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/123680735316 


Re-listed Saturday 9th March – duration approx 4 hours:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/123683385794 


Re-listed Sunday 10th March – duration approx. 37 hours:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/123684788830 




As I've done with all the other 7A38-xxxx model specific topics that I've updated recently, I'm just adding a brief mention in passing. 


Time to draw a belated line under this one. In fact, the line was crossed and drawn 3 weeks ago, when bitter deranged Australian eBay seller aussiewatches, latterly masquerading as seiko7A38 forum, real name Dempsey W***** finally received a long overdue, well deserved ban for his trouble. But before he got banned, he did manage to create two more abusive and fraudulent listings for 7A38 'Vulcans'. 


This one was created on Tuesday 18th June and removed by eBay Trust & Safety on Thurday 20th June afternoon, by which point I'd decided enough was enough. It followed his usual format, with the same ignorant mistake in the title and using the same stolen photo (belonging to Australian collector Tim Johnston) as all those in the above quote. (There were two more besides - on 16th March and 14th April).


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/123806157025


Finally in a last gasp stand, he actually managed to 'get it right' - if only by copying the title of this topic verbatim. This bogus listing for a 7A38-701B 'Vulcan' appeared briefly early on the morning of Friday 21st June, before being promptly removed by eBay Trust & Safety, after less than an hour. His eBay account had a restriction placed on it and was subsequently banned on 2nd July. This listing used another different stolen photo, from an eBay listing by UK eBay seller bigmacnofat, dating way back to November 2011, which can be found on the first page of this thread.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/123809880593

July 25, 2019 at 1:17 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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My real reason for updating this thread is that this afternoon, I was idly googling images of 7A38's and stumbled across a couple of interesting Instagram posts. Yeah - I know what I've written about eschewing 'Soshul Meedya', as a general rule, but sometimes you have to make an exception, sit up and take notice ....


I first spotted this image, which if you click on the link actually turns out to be a video, rather than a (wrist shot) photo. It was uploaded 6 days ago on 19th July. Note the errant case-back gasket peeking out @ approx 21 seconds in.


https://www.instarix.net/media/2091359752177979470



Whereas the poster is to be congratulated at finding 2 almost mint examples, his doing so changes absolutely NOTHING regarding 'all the theories and legends'. :roll:


That post lead me to this one on another Instagram offshoot:


https://sometag.org/hashtag/seiko7a38/




O.K., so I may have wrongly assumed (as have many other collectors), that based on all previous examples seen to date, that this model was only produced between August and December 1983. So one of his was manufactured in February 1985. :/ So what ? :roll:


Here's his Instagram account, with a few more photos of his two 7A38-701B's:


https://www.instagram.com/duca_david/?hl=en



July 25, 2019 at 1:21 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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This 7A38-701B 'Vulkan', in average worn condition, was listed yesterday evening, by a German eBay seller, as a 7-day auction, with an opening bid price of 1 Euro. It's suffering from a couple of common maladies: some loss of black enamel from around the rim of the Tachymeter bezel insert and a typically stretched original p/n Z1118S bracelet. The seller initially omitted to included the model number in his listing, but added it to the description late last night.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/401849947476


Seiko RAF Vulkan Bomber Chronograph rar Vintage Military.

Zustand: Gebraucht.

Versteigere hier eine sehr seltene Seiko die ich geerbt habe sie wurde getragen und hat auch Gebrauchsspuren auch Kratzer auf dem Glas und Armband.

Bitte bieten sie nur wenn sie mit dem Zustand dieser Uhr einverstanden sind.

Diese Uhr ist sehr selten und auch schon etwas älter aus den 80er Jahren.

Papiere oder Verpackung sind nicht mehr vorhanden.

Dies ist ein privat Verkauf daher keine Garantie oder Rücknahme.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Am 17.08.19 hat der Verkäufer die folgenden Angaben hinzugefügt:

Seiko 7A38-701B


August 17, 2019 at 2:32 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The above 7-day German eBay auction for a 7A38-701B 'Vulkan' ended a few moments ago, selling for a respectable 555 Euros after 26 bids. The winning bidder ID v***u (644) is the encryted form of silversurfer365, belonging to erstwhile forum member 'ketap' (Carlo). 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/401849947476

August 23, 2019 at 2:22 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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This 7A38-701B 'Vulcan', with alleged RAF provenance, in well-worn condition and suffering from a non-functional chronograph, was listed late yesterday evening, by a UK eBay seller, as a 3-day auction, with an opening bid price of £350. 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274039821930


Seiko 7A38-701B (A3). Also called as Seiko Vulcan. I purchased this watch from UK seller who told that he worked in RAF for 30 years and this watch was given to him by his senior who flew Vulcan in 1991 at what they called air day post party. But I have no proof of that as that was the message I received from it’s previous owner. :) Watch time is working but I haven’t checked time. But chronograph functions are not working, so definitely it needs a service. Watch is used so you can notice watch glass and bezel insert has scratches. Watch bracelet is original Seiko SQ reference Z1118 for 7A38 watches, but I don’t have any document to verify if it’s belongs to Vulcan or any other 7A38 model. So it’s up to buyer to verify it before buying. I will never accept returns for any reason. So please ensure you got all details and verify it before buying it. Dispatched with Royal Mail 1st Class.

Once again I will never accept returns. So please make sure you checked all you need before you buy. Have a nice day.

Also I will return remaining postage fees if postage charge for your location is less than what you have paid.


October 6, 2019 at 9:23 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The above 3-day UK eBay auction for a partly functional 7A38-701B 'Vulcan', in well worn cosmetic condition, ended a few moments ago, selling for £435 after 5 bids.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274039821930


October 8, 2019 at 6:04 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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I'm gradually getting caught up with my 3-day backlog of posting, but even though I've had a couple of days to mull it over, I'm still not sure that this model-specific thread is actually the right place I should be posting this. :/


My initial normal reaction on seeing something like this, would have been to add it onto this thread: Heads Up on yet another 7A38 Franken(s) - Part 2 !!


This '7A38-701B in Black and Yellow' was first listed by a UK eBay seller early on Tuesday afternoon, as a 10-day auction, with an opening bid price of £300, which had it been a pukka yellow dialed 7A38-701B, might have been a sensible figure. The seller ended that listing at 6:31pm on Tuesday evening - I'd assumed because of a pretty obvious glaring error in the listing.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/193216476245


He re-listed it almost immediately, but looking exactly the same as before !! :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/193216922478


Following the exchange of several messages between myself and the eBay seller, who seemed completely unaware that the watch wasn't quite as it should be - and gave full disclosure, he made a number of revisions to the title and description.




One of the seller's last messages on Tuesday evening included:

Thanks for your help. I don't want to mislead anyone. Cheers.

So that by the time I said Goodnight, the revised listing ended up looking like this:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/193216922478


 

SEIKO 7A38-701B (A3) Vintage Watch fitted with 7A38-7010 dial. Black and Yellow

I have been informed watch is fitted with a black dial out of a 7A38-7010, thus making it a frankenwatch.

The watch is in good working order and keeps excellent time however the 'seconds' hand does not move so it will need a service. The chronograph feature seems to be working but I don't know how to use it.

The watch is in great condition with age related wear.

The crystal is in great shape with some wear but nothing that stands out at a glance.

It is fitted with a similar watch strap which looks the part as the original strap has a few links missing and is too small for my wrist.

The original SEIKO SQ Z1118 watch strap is included and will only fit a small wrist.

The auction will run to end.

Many thanks for looking.


It's obviously (at least to me) fitted with the dark grey / black 702L dial from the less colourful sister model 7A38-7010 SAA001J. But it's not a straight-forward drop-in of a replacement dial / movement. The hands could possibly be from a 7A38-7010, but they're not completely correct for that model: all three sub-dial hands are all white, whereas the constant seconds hand of a 7A38-7010 should have a silver boss. Plus the movement has slightly faded black day / date wheels with white lettering, which might indicate that it came from the original 7A38-701B. Who knows ? Either way, the seller stated he found it like that. Let's see if anybody bites. :/


November 21, 2019 at 8:54 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Whilst researching my own watch, the so called 'mythical' yellow-faced RAF Vulcan I came across your website. My own 'yellow face' 7A38-701B was issued by the Royal Navy to its helicopter pilots in 83/84 of which I was one, I still wear it but as others have mentioned the second hand and stop watch have never worked. The serial number 394018. How do I find more info on this type of watch and indeed how do I get these second hands to work?!

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January 19, 2020 at 11:53 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Whoa there Kevin. :o That's a rather contentious statement in your first post ! :/

At least you're not an ex-RAF Vulcan pilot or navigator. That particular part of the myth was debunked a long time ago. ;)

January 19, 2020 at 12:21 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Phil
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More info on the military connection please Kev 8)

January 22, 2020 at 2:10 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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I try to search the Italian classified site Subito.it at least once a week. I don't usually bother posting any 7A38's I might come across, because 9 times out of 10, they're exactly the same ones listed on eBay by Italian sellers. I ran a search this morning and immediately spotted something different, right at the top of my search result, which was listed yesterday lunchtime ! :o



Yes - that's a 7A38-701B 'Vulcan', bottom left in that job lot listing !


http://www.subito.it/abbigliamento-accessori/orologi-seiko-vintage-roma-326986663.htm




There's only the one photo:




And the description doesn't tell you much. There are currently no prices stated. :roll:


Edit: The seller subsequently revised his description, adding in the prices.

Unfortunately the 7A38-701B 'Vulcan' is now annotated as 'suspended'. :roll:



January 27, 2020 at 6:33 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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This lunchtime, I've traded a few messages via Subito with Vincenzo, the Italian seller. The watch isn't actually sold (yet), but as written temporarily 'suspended'. He tells me that he has received a few offers on the 7A38-701B 'Vulcan' - including one cheeky lowball offer of 600 Euros 'for the two chrono's' (meaning the 7A38-701B and the stainless 7A38-7190 shown top left in the job lot photo).


He also sent me a photo of the 7A38-701B 'Vulcan' alone, but it appears to be a high resolution crop / zoom from the original group photo.



The watch appears to be in decent used condition, apart from a shallow ding in the rim of the bezel near 'ETE' of TACHMETER and another graze near 120 km/h.


January 27, 2020 at 8:21 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Yesterday evening, the Italian Subito seller, Vincenzo, sent me two more photos of his 7A38-701B 'Vulcan' .



As you can see from the first one, the hands have not moved since his group shot. Evidently the battery needs replacing. In one of his messages, he told me that it has a 52xxxx prefix serial number, but was unwilling to divulge the full number. At the time of writing, he still hasn't stated a price, so is presumably still open to offers.


January 28, 2020 at 4:31 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Hi Paul, thank you for sharing this. Its a favourite model for 7a38 collectors however not sure if the chrono are running good? Condition looks acceptable though.

January 28, 2020 at 5:55 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Not just the chronograph - nothing is working at the moment. The battery needs replacing (as I wrote above). This morning, the seller, Vincenzo, has sent me a couple more messages through Subito.it. He has suggested a price of 700 Euros. He has also given me his email address, which I'm not going to publish here, but if anyone wants it, drop me a brief PM* and I'll happily forward it. From there, you're on your own - I will not act as intermediary in the sale.


*Belated Edit: Vincenzo has since joined the forum. Please PM him (not me).

January 28, 2020 at 6:31 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Good morning everybody, I'm Vincenzo from Roma, Italia.

First of all I apologize myself for my English, I'll do my best.

Fortunately the watch works very well. It was enough to change the battery... :D

January 31, 2020 at 5:43 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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