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Seiko7A38
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I've seen many examples of the orange and blue dialed versions of Seiko's MACCHINA SPORTIVA GIUGIARO 7T32-6H60 on eBay and various watch forums over the years. Can't say they appeal to me (at all). But I don't think I've ever seen this 'Panda' version before:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181242750121

SEIKO Men's MACCHINA SPORTIVA GIUGIARO Design 7T32-6H60 CHRONO Sport 200 UNWORN




Serious money for a 7T32, too - opening bid price of $525 !! :o


October 23, 2013 at 1:42 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Graham
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I have just acquired this 7T32 - 6H10 and was wondering if anyone has any idea what it is worth?



November 8, 2013 at 5:30 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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No idea, quite honestly, Graham. :/

But most used dressy two-tone 7T32 models (there are literally hundreds of variations) sell on eBay for around the 50 Euros mark.

Check out this search on ended sold listings for 7T32's.


The blue dialed version of the 7T32-6H10 is still available, new, from Sky Watches in Singapore - they're asking $285 for them ! :o


http://www.skywatches.com.sg/seiko_Chronograph/Seiko5.htm



November 8, 2013 at 6:07 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Jimmy
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Hello everyone, here's my 7T32-6J40.  I do not know if it's rare or common but I've grown attached to it over the last decade or two.  It has stopped working unfortunatelly (new battery makes it work for about a day or two) and I can't find replacement parts anywhere so I am lost at the moment.  I purchased this about 16 years ago when I was a high-paid single batchelor and could afford such novelties.  Quite the opposite now, 3 kids, single income and a mortgage.  Still, a man needs a watch...

I have noticed a lot of "authentic" titanium seiko watches selling on ebay shipped from Hong Kong for around $160, are they okay ?

Or am I better off continuing to look for the quartz movement to fix mine, and if so, where do you suggest I could look?



November 12, 2013 at 12:30 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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G'dday Jimmy - and welcome aboard. I wouldn't say that your 7T32 is particularly rare or unusual. It's not one that I instantly recognise, but there are literally hundreds of different 7T32 case / bracelet / dial variations. I'm not sure exactly which watches you're referring to by 'Seiko watches selling on ebay shipped from Hong Kong for around $160', but again there are thousands of genuine NOS (new old stock, end of line) watches in the $150-$200 range, being offered on eBay by Hong Kong and Singapore 'hub' sellers all the time.


What you do about your 7T32 is entirely your choice. If it has sentimental value, and you'd like to resurrect it, then by far the simplest solution is to fit a replacement NOS movement. There's an eBay seller in Wellington, NZ - goes by the username thomasbangalter303, who is listing them at the moment: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Seiko-7T32-NOS-Movement-/121213648369 His asking prices are certainly not the cheapest; I've seen NOS 7T32 movements sold on eBay as low as $50 before, but as a source, he is reliable and trustworthy. I've bought a couple of NOS 7A38 movements from him in the past. :)


Edit: I just looked at your photo again. I guess you've (or someone else) has had the dial / movement out already. :/ Your Tachymeter ring is misaligned. '60' should be at the top (above the '12' baton). There's usually a small moulded plastic lug / corresponding cut-out in the edge of the dial, that is supposed to locate them.

November 12, 2013 at 5:22 AM Flag Quote & Reply

GeorgeClarkson
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Hi Jimmy, I have a couple of 7T32s that I bought on eBay, you can find the relative threads here in the "Bend it, Mend it - Mods & Wreckers", or even in this same section. I have disassembled the movement several times, managing to reassemble it perfectly, and noticed some things along the way:

  1. taking out of the equation a non-working circuit board (assuming it works perfectly, that is) the fact that the watch works for a couple of days, then stops, is probably due to lack of oil / debris on the seat of the step motors or another gear
  2. the movement sports some plastic gears, which could have been damaged during a service or normal use. This causes the watch to work until the gears "grip" on one another, then it would "jump" on the broken/bent tooth of a gear causing the watch hands not to move anymore. This is probalby not the case, since the watch would sto at least once a day, or after a complete revolution of the hands.
On one of my threads you should find some pictures of the opened movement.

As Paul pointed out, anyway, someone has already serviced (or tried to) your watch: the tachymeter ring should look like this (this is again the same battered 7T32-6A50):


Let me warn you: opening the movement to check the integrity of the gears is not so difficoult, closing it is. You are better off buying for cheap money a battered 7T32 watch off eBay with working movement and swapping it altogether, as Paul suggested.

 

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November 12, 2013 at 2:15 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Jimmy
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Thank you both, I appreciate the help.  Without a doubt, I would like to fix my watch, I have become attached to it over the years and it is perfect blend of prestige vs simplicity.  I had not noticed the tachymeter was misaligned, I have gone as far as taking the back off and replacing the battery myself but I have given it in to shops/traders to attempt to fix.  Very early on, I had the battery replaced without knowing about a pressure-test and a few months later, I totally forgot to remove my watch whilst scuba diving, I remember the alarm going off underwater although it wasn't set to go off.  I'm guessing salt water got inside.  This may in fact be the "debris" and lack of oil that garacs1 mentioned in his post above.

To remove the dial movement altogether, I'm guessing I need to unscrew the two crowns whilst holding the screw part inside by using very small pliers, is this correct? I can see how fiddly this can be.

I will look around for the 7T32 movement replacement.  I did email the guy in Wellington a while ago, he has the 7T32 but not the dial to suit, I presume I would need to buy the movement for $90 and take off the dial from my watch, which is behind the hour / minute / second hands and possibly behind the other three smaller arm moments? Sounds difficult but perhaps a challenge?!

November 13, 2013 at 12:33 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Hi Jimmy.

No, unscrewing the two crowns is NOT the way to do it. If you unscrew the case-back you'll see two small holes in the back-plate near where the threaded crown stems engage the movement. Inside both of them is a tiny release lever which you need to depress.



Both should be marked with a small arrow and 'PUSH' as indicated above. For the release lever to become active (and visible), both crowns should be pulled out to the first click position. I suggest you set the main hands to '12' before attempting to remove the movement. It's been a while since I've worked on a 7T32 myself, but check out this old thread on the RLT watch forum:

http://www.thewatchforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=22197 My (somewhat belated) post is here on the second page.


You'll also find several topics on amateur repairs to the Seiko 7Txx series in the Workshop section:

http://www.seiko7a38.com/apps/forums/show/6682693-bend-it-mend-it-mods-wreckers


As far as pulling and replacing hands goes (which you'll need to do to transfer your dial), there's this topic:

http://www.seiko7a38.com/apps/forums/topics/show/7214274-you-need-hands-and-sometimes-need-to-pull-them-off-


PS - If you decide to tackle the job yourself (as opposed to taking your watch and the NOS replacement movement / donor watch to a watchmaker for the 'swap'), please could you start a new topic in the 'Bend it, Mend it' section rather than continuing here. Thanks. ;)


November 13, 2013 at 2:53 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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I don't regularly search on eBay for 7T32's. More often than not they often annoyingly pop up in the various eBay suggestions.

As did this 7T32-6H99 sample case, this morning, which certainly is a bit different from the everyday run-of-the mill 7T32:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/231097379859



The main part of the case appears to be plastic, with the bezel and case-back each held on by 4 self-tapping screws - a la G-Shock.

That probably accounts for the (only) 50 metre rating, compared with the usual Sports 100 or Sports 150 you'll see on most 7T32's.

See: http://forums.watchuseek.com/f21/7t32-get-why-261012.html and quotes:

I saw a 7T32-6H99 but the plastic exterior stopped me in my tracks!!

but little problem is that it says "SQ 50" at 3 oclock and caseback reads WR 5bar.


November 21, 2013 at 7:41 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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I'm sure Lawrence has already mentioned this Orient sub-brand before. If it wasn't in this or another thread in the non-Seiko branded section, it may have been in one of his many PM's. Anyway, this came up in my eBay saved favourite search notifications this morning:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/360804912929




Nothing particularly unusual about the design - it could be one many similar Seiko 7T32's, but you don't see this dial logo very often:



Edit: At least not on Seiko 7T32's Orient HFA's, anyway. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_&_Country_Surf_Designs 


December 2, 2013 at 4:59 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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I've remembered - not the actual thread (or PM which Lawrence may have sent me), but the Town & Country Surf Design in question.

It was an earlier listing of this re-branded Orient N945 (possibly from October or earlier) which was still unsold at the end of November:


http://www.ebay.com/itm/151173654427



Looking at the way this thread was headed at the top of page 2 (distinctly) - that's where it might well have been posted ....

If I hadn't restored order. 

In the meantime, one final word on the subject of N945's. I found an earlier listing by the Japanese eBay seller for another:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/110741749602

Which included this photo of the movement:




So the Orient re-branded version of the Seiko N945 movement is a HJA00. 8)


December 2, 2013 at 6:33 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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If you've read the RACER J39 by Orient Watch Co. thread in the next forum section down, then you'll understand why the appearance of this particular Racer 'Team Collection' branded 7T32 on eBay Germany last week raised a knowing smile from yours truly. 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321301302935

RACER Orient Herren Armbanduhr Chronograph / Chronograf




It is one half of the 7A38 / 7T32 photo-shopped 'mash-up' image which was used on the second page of Racer's placeholder website:




The other half (or at least the case, bezel and crown / pusher arrangement) being my recently acquired Racer / Orient J29027-70.

Hence my riddle: Question: When is a 7T32 not a 7T32 ? Answer: When it's a actually a 7A38 ! 

Well, apart from being a Breit-Bling lookalike '7A38' (J39), it now seems it was also genuinely a 7T32. Or should I say a HFA00.


Must admit that I did think about having a go at winning the auction for a while, but then common sense kicked in and reminded me that I really didn't want any more 7T32's - even rarer versions, like this. No matter how cheap they came. Not even for the novelty value. 


That auction ended earlier this evening. It sold for a mere 26 Euros:

January 26, 2014 at 4:07 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Spotted another of these Breitling-esque Racer 7T32's on Milanuncios.com, while searching for more Racer J39's - without success. 

Obviously the same case style, but oddly this one has a slightly incongruous combination of gold-plated watch case with a stainless bezel - and what looks like a chocolate brown coloured dial, but this time, without the TEAM COLLECTION logo. It's NOS too.

Funnily enough, the seller is the same person who supplied my 3 NOS Racer J39's last August.


http://www.milanuncios.com/relojes/reloj-racer-chronograph-wr-new-51595534.htm



Pity about the over-optimistic 150 Euros asking price and the butchered case-back. :roll:


March 6, 2014 at 7:58 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Spotted this unusual (and not unattractive) NOS Orient HFAE02 7T32 listed by an Israeli seller this morning:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221389986670





It clearly has 'nautical pretentions' from the 'sailcloth' strap. But what caught my eye were the humongous screw-down pushers. :o

Unfortunately the designer doesn't appear to have continued with his overkill for the two crowns, rendering them totally pointless. :roll:


March 9, 2014 at 8:35 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Certainly rare, even in Japan, but what the Japanese eBay seller of this G-Shock wannabe may not have sussed is that it's a 7T32.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/21295324056


Screw-on case-back is stamped with model # Y182-6000, which is found on Seiko Oceania's database (along with other Alba variants).

The S.Epson Corp. Y182 calibre designation is used on most re-branded 7T32's - including Lorus, Pulsar and Yema. Although it was allocated a different part number, the jade green sweep hand appears to be the same part used on the 7A38-7040 and 7A38-7050.


March 18, 2014 at 1:53 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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As I've written before, I keep stumbling across these Orient HFAxxx 7T32's during my searches on eBay for J39 7A38's.

Here's another quite attractive model in Titanium - a HFAE018 currently listed by a Bulgarian seller.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281307470608



The photos are good and the description appears honest and straight-forward, with only one small 'faux pas':


Movement: Original high grade in house Orient quartz multifunction alarm chronograph movement with date, signed with Orient Watch Co., LTD. Japan No Jewels HFA00.


Ahem. I don't think so. :lol:


April 13, 2014 at 4:43 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Must have been in another thread where I mentioned it recently, but such things as SOLID 18ct Gold Seiko 7T32's do exist.

Here's one I spotted on eBay Italy. Looking at the dates on the photos, it must have been re-listed a good few times already.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261472593325

SEIKO

crono alarm cassa in oro 18 kt 

cronografo suoneria datario 

vetro minerale 

diametro cassa mm 39 spessore mm 9 

l'orologio è nuovo con scatola originale 

ma senza garanzia.fondo di magazzino 

Prezzo di listino € 2.850,00 

vendita con scontrino fiscale



Edit: Well maybe it wasn't quite so recent. It was in this thread where I mentioned the solid 18ct gold 7T32-6C70 over a year ago. :roll:


May 6, 2014 at 3:22 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Intrigued by the existence of another 18ct gold 7T32, I sent the eBay seller a message asking for the full 7T32-xxxx case-back number.

They replied this morning 7T32-CK06. I tried to look it up on Seiko Oceania's database, but nothing found - nor anything like that. :(

I reported back to the seller and just received another reply:


I'd already noticed, from their composite eBay listing image that the dial appeared to be distinctly lacking in printing - only SEIKO.




But as can be seen more clearly, from this head-on shot, there isn't even any dial part numbering (or anything else) at the bottom.



The case-back is equally devoid of stamping, but oddly has 'CHRONOGRAPH' at the top. Are we looking at a very expensive fake ?


May 8, 2014 at 6:23 AM Flag Quote & Reply

fmc000
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Yup, it just looks fake to me. Dial, caseback, date font, strap size, all fishy IMHO. Seiko Oceania does not report any reference in solid Gold for the 7T32, by the way. Also, in Italian you would probably say "Oro 18 Ct." without the K but this is clearly not necessary.

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May 8, 2014 at 8:38 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Does seem a lot of trouble to go through, just to fake a 7T32, doesn't it ? :/


Sorry, to correct you on that other point, Fabio, but you may have missed my belated edit to an earlier post:

Edit: Well maybe it wasn't quite so recent. It was in this thread where I mentioned the solid 18ct gold 7T32-6C70 over a year ago. :roll:


Because the 7T32-6C70 (in fact 2 variants of it) are shown on Seiko's database as 18K Yellow Gold:



Funnily enough, that one does have Chronograph under SEIKO and the tiny dial part numbering printed at the bottom of the dial:


May 8, 2014 at 11:13 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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