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Strictly for posting about dodgy non-Seiko (or their derivatives) contemporary (meaning 1980's and 1990's) quartz chronographs. :P

An absolute classic to start off this topic:

Wrist watch, Seiko chronograph, man or boys

Very nice looking stainless steel wrist watch but without the band. Band opening is 3/8" wide or 5/16". I know nothing about this watch except it has a new battery and keeps excellent time over these past few days. It has a silver color face with gold color hands. No scratches on face or top body. The back has slight wear around the edges.. It reads around the face edges; "start/ stop"...."timer/ chrono"...."Tachymeter". What all of that means ....

I haven't a clue. My 10 year old grandson might know. All the little buttons push in and out. The stem does also. Sorry the pictures are no better. This was among my Mother's things when she passed several years ago.

Sub-dial markings; crown and pusher layout is pure Citizen Cal. 35xx (no date nor alarm, so which ?). But get the wonky SEIKO logo !

I suspect this Seiko-logo'd franken fake may have been based on another re-branded Cal. 35xx chrono (rather than a Citizen per se).

Note the similarity of the watch case and bezel (but not the pushers) to the 'Columbus' 3510 on the left of Michael Rothe's group shot:

January 14, 2013 at 1:46 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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I found another of these Feiko / Citizen Cal. 35xx lookalikes while searching eBay this morning. Same model; a little more complete:

Seiko Chronograph Wristwatch Silver w/ Gold Trim Runs great

Runs good and keeps perfect time. Very clean . New band installed. New battery installed. Silver tone with gold trim. FREE SHIPPING!

SEIKO is actually printed level on this dial (with QUARTZ underneath). But check out the non-central hands on 2 of the sub-dials ! :lol:

Not only is it pretty obvious (from their proximity to the sub-dial surfaces) that these chronograph hands are completely non-functional, but if you compare their positions (all the same in this seller's photos), they're fixed in almost exactly the same place as the first similar Feiko I posted, back in January. Yet from the rubbing wear / corrosion at the bases of the pusher buttons, these do appear to move.

Being a slight variation of the first Feiko I flagged, the design of case and bezel are again very similar to Michael Rothe's 'Columbus'.

But I've since found a closer match to the fake dial - as used in the Bulova Marine Star 3530, one of which came up on eBay in April.

June 16, 2013 at 6:19 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Knowing full well that this was a Feiko (even if a period 'vintage' fake - a poor one at that) I sent the seller a message through eBay, asking him what numbers (if any) were stamped on the case-back. Purely in the interests of furthering my research you understand. :P

He was quite straight-forward and open in his replies, and even asked if I thought he should withdraw the listing. I left the decision to him, just saying that he ought to disclose the watch's shortcomings in his description. Which he's since done. It now reads as follows:

Runs good and keeps perfect time. Very clean . New band (non- Seiko) installed. New battery installed. Silver tone with gold trim.

Sub dials are non functional but are there for decorative purposes. Rear case cover is totally blank, no markings at all.  FREE SHIPPING!

June 17, 2013 at 11:08 AM Flag Quote & Reply


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I've seen 100% original copies in Thailand better than this person is trying to sell. But I was tempted by the free shipping.

June 18, 2013 at 4:58 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I couldn't be bothered to start another thread, especially seeing as the first 'thing' I posted was branded Seiko anyway. :roll:

This came up as a 'suggestion' on eBay. Note the 4 pusher (one crown) configuration. It must be the mythical 7A32 !! :lol:

Unfortunately, none of the 3 head-on photos are particularly large, or clear, so you can't quite make out the sub-dial markings:

But the right-hand sub-dial hand is a mile off-centre .... and the case-back engraving / stamping is clearly 'all wrong'.

May 30, 2014 at 12:34 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Another slightly post for this topic, but there's an amazing variety of older fakes still out there, waiting to catch the unwary.

This afternoon I ran a search on Yahoo Japan on Yema. This 'thing' came up in the results:

I knew it wasn't a 7Axx / N7 / N8 of any kind, but the design looked typically 80's, so I took a closer look ....

The giveaway being in two sub-dials graduated to '60' and the (translated) sellers description:


You will watch a French manufacturer, Quartz Chronograph Yema Corporation.

Button and dial the dial becomes decoration, function of the chronograph is not attached. I think that it becomes very, rare type. We are currently operating normally. There is a small scratch on the belt or case, but the glass is beautiful. Magnitude of the case 3.6cm × 3.6cm to 19cm will be a maximum belt. When I got, I am heard Movement's Seiko. I hope in a no claim no return.

At least the non-functional chrono' hands are fitted in the centres of the sub-dials on this one. :lol:

September 14, 2014 at 10:22 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Well spotted!

Found it a bit of a fishy one but did not bother to hit the translate button. .... Most of it is gibberish anyway.

Still it was no 7A28 or 7A38 based so I did not bother!

September 15, 2014 at 8:13 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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It's since been re-listed (same YJ item #). Opening bid price now reduced from 5000 to 2000 Yen. Do I hear 1000 Yen anybody ? :lol:

September 16, 2014 at 3:18 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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