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Seiko7A38 at December 23, 2017 at 10:26 AM

This job lot pairing of a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 and 7T27-7A20 RN Gen. 2 was listed yesterday evening by a German eBay seller, with an optimistic Buy-it-Now price of 1850 Euros.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/152838283728


The German eBay seller of the 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 / 7T27-7A20 Gen. 2 job lot pairing also ended his listing a few days early, yesterday evening, having reduced the Buy-it-Now price twice, earlier in the month by a total of 200 Euros. Whether they sold off eBay individually, or as a pair and what they might have gone for is anybody's guess. :/



January 18, 2018 at 2:00 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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This 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 'head only', in average worn condition, with typically bent fixed bars and a possible chrono' fault, was listed at lunchtime today with a Buy-it-Now price of £650 (and currently no 'make offer' option). Note that it's only a 3-day listing - see description.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162859915213



Here is my 1990 Seiko RAF pilots watch. I’ve had it a couple of years, but I now have my sights on an other watch. This is keeping good time . I have tried all the resets on the watch and left hand minute hand is not re setting. It still moves round when setting the watch. It was working fine before I put it in the drawer. As I said, the watch is keeping good time. I’m off to Australia on Monday so it’s a 3 day auction. Any questions just ask.

Check my feedback to see I am a trusted seller. If you decide to buy, payment must be made immediately, so I can post on Monday.


January 19, 2018 at 1:41 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Over the course of the three days, the seller made a number of revisions:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/ViewItemRevisionDetails&item=162859915213



.... including adding this patently correct statement to the description:


Ok folks I am an idiot! If you had read earlier description, I said the chrono hands were not all returning to the 12 position, they are! All hands sweep back to 12 position now. After pressing the correct button at 4 o’clock position, all hands now sweep back to 12. Amazing what you forget!

I have also revised the price.


Indeed he had, increasing the Buy-it-Now price from £650 to £800. 

The listing ended on Monday around lunchtime with the watch unsold.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162859915213

January 28, 2018 at 4:20 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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This 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 was listed yesterday evening by a US eBay seller, with an over-optimistic Buy-it-Now price of $1359. Supposedly 'mint condition' it has all the usual minor dings and only slightly bent fixed bars. The seller cites '1995', but the Seiko case-back serial number beginning 01xxxx shows it was manufactured in January 1990 and no great surprise, the suffix of the issue number also ends in 90. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/142670765871


Up for sale is a super rare 1995 Seiko Gen 1 RAF watch on new genuine Phoenix NATO strap. This watch is an exceptional, original and unpolished condition. Difficult to find like this considering it was actually issued. It was completely overhauled (see pics) in 2017 and runs excellent. I've owned a few of these and a lot of them are well worn with major dings, dents and scratches, but not this one. All issue markings are clear and visible, lug bars are pretty straight. Dial is perfect as are the hands. Functions as it should and ready to wear for many years to come. Do some research, these are the best military grade quartz watches out there. Collector watch that is increasing in value. My only reason for selling is I need to clear out some space in my collection.

Bid with confidence, as I have 100% positive feedback. Thanks for looking!


January 28, 2018 at 4:25 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I sometimes wonder why I even bother adding these speculatively over-priced examples to my eBay watching page, because you can almost predict the outcome with some certainty. :roll: Another one eBay didn't collect their commission on. :/


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/142670765871



January 30, 2018 at 2:02 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Heres another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 listed at lunchtime today, by a UK eBay seller, as a 7-day auction with a somwhat over-optimistic opening bid price of £850. Note it's being sold as a 'head only', without a strap and going by his description, the seller's primary image has been 'borrowed' from elsewhere. His own two photos of the watch aren't up to much. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/25340685549


This is a very rare item issued primarily to Royal Air Force pilots and navigators from October 1984 until November 1990.

This Gen. 1 chronograph in a stainless steel case. It carries the highly-regarded, 15-jewel, quartz 7A28 Seiko movement.

Without original strap, few light marks on face.

The picture with a strap comes from manufacturers site as better quality pic.


February 3, 2018 at 2:24 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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The above 7-day UK eBay auction for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 ended 15 minutes ago, selling for the opening bid price of £850.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/253406855491


February 10, 2018 at 8:25 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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This 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 'Head Only' Project watch was listed late yesterday evening by UK eBay seller 24699510 with a Buy-it-Now price of £750 or the option to make an offer. If you've been following this thread, then you'll no doubt recall his offering a number of similar 'Project' watches last year. It has to be said, whether it's ineptitude or sheer laziness, as a frequent dealer in military watches, he seems totally incapable of rectifying the simplest faults with his offerings, but has no qualms about asking top price as if they were fully working examples.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/273035684703


Seiko RAF Gen-1 1988

Hello & welcome to my auction of a RAF pilots Seiko Chronograph, the watch is fully original direct from a MOD release sale.

All features work well except the 1/10th second timer sub-dial, the sub-dial hand does engage when the chrono is started, it is not totally dead but just judders & cannot be reset.

Superb like new condition dial hand-set & re-haut.

Crown works well time-setting & in chrono reset mode.

All the pushers work & their gaskets show no sign of leakage, top right pusher is a little sticky & will need a clean or maybe a new spring.

No signs of rust or corrosion to the movement or inside the battery holder, or around the inside of the pushers or around the top-plate.

Better than average condition case.

The crystal has small scratches.

Case-back gasket present.

A new 20mm Grey NATO strap will be included.

All in a nice condition fully original watch, a easy project to fix the 1/10th register or would be worth sending to Seiko.jp for a service (full movement service, year warranty, new gaskets crystal & battery is only around £100)

Trade's & Buying-

I buy & collect military watches, if you would like to trade your old military watch for one of mine or just want to sell your watch please get in touch with a brief description / picture or two + your price.

Interested in any watch (WWII-1990's) military issued any condition considered, also just watch parts straps boxes & ephemera

Also military clocks & vintage military inspired pilots or divers watches - Longines Lemania Hamilton Blancpain JLC IWC Smiths etc


Blah, Blah, Blah ....


February 13, 2018 at 6:48 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The above eBay listing for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 'Project' ended about an hour ago, when the seller accepted an offer made earlier this morning.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/273035684703



As revealed by WatchCount.com's look-up tool, that offer was for £650.



As confirmed by the eBay Purchase History:



February 13, 2018 at 8:31 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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This 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 was listed early yesterday morning, by a UK eBay seller,  with a risible 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of £1125 - and currently no option to make an offer. Note the seller's smartass choice of eBay user ID - prices4u2nv (prices for you to envy). No envy here - just mild bemusement ! :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/142689714987


Here is a serviced British Military SEIKO 7A28-7120 stamped 9855/90, meaning it was Gulf War era issued in 1990.

The watch is in superb and original condition, considering where it has been. The case has a few tiny marks but unless these were pointed out you really can't see them. The movement works exactly as it should, all functions start/stop and reset as designed. Following a complete overhaul, clean and new battery, the watch runs perfectly. The pushers are clean and not sticky, and the dial is superb with original hour/minute and subdial hands. These are becoming harder to find in this condition. The watch is offered with 12 months mechanical guarantee. Comes on a black NATO strap.

Movement: 7A28 chronograph, continuous Seconds, 1/10seconds, 60 seconds, 30 min.

6645: British MoD RAF Wristwatch, 99: NATO code for UK, 7683056: Nato Specification MSN number, 9855: I.D number, 90: issued in 1990.

Case: 37mm.

Lugs: 20mm fixed bars.

The watch is for sale elsewhere so may end early. More pictures on insta if you see the last picture.


February 15, 2018 at 5:35 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Speaking of speculatively over-priced offerings ....

Remember that job lot pairing of a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 and 7T27-7A20, that was listed on eBay Germany, just before Christmas ? (If not just scroll back up to the top of this page). Well it's back again - re-listed yesterday evening. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/152907818901


February 15, 2018 at 5:42 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at December 14, 2017 at 11:52 AM

There was another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 listed on eBay this morning by another UK seller. This one has a Buy-it-Now price of £995 (or best offer).


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/332487071631


At the risk of repeating myself (hence the partial quote from the previous page) ....

'Another' grossly over-priced 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 was listed this afternoon by a UK eBay seller, with a 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of  £995 (or the option to make an offer). The first thing that caught my attention was the seller's slightly unusual user ID: queeng1st. If you run a search on the forum on it, you'll soon realize this is yet another instance of Déjà Vu. This watch was previously listed just before Christmas and theoretically sold against a best offer for £700 the following day. But there's rather more to it than that. This one also appears to be a definate case of Caveat Emptor

This is actually a re-listing of the previous, but with a different primary image. Whether it's a new photo of the same watch, taken by the seller, or one 'borrowed' from elsewhere is anybody's guess.


The description is exactly the same as the previous listing:

Description

Early 1980s Seiko Generation One Military Issue (RAF) Quartz Chronographic Wrist Watch

The 7A28-7120, called the Gen 1. The Gen 1’s case is simpler than all commercially available 7A28 models. Matte, blasted finish, integrated unmarked bezel. Military guidelines, stamped “Circle P” on the dial, indicating the use of Promethium a Radioactive element. Collectable military wrist watch from the Falklands era.

Working condition.

No returns accepted, please carefully read description and look at photos.


Just to make sure this was the same watch, I clicked on the photo of the case-back (something I hadn't done with the previous listing while it was briefly live). Both the previous and this re-listing use the same photo:



Had I looked at it before, I certainly would have commented on it. Note there is no mention in the seller's description that the military markings have been obliterated. But does that Seiko case-back serial number 816450 ring any bells with anyone else ? Try running a search on the forum on 816450 and you'll see why.  ;)

Apart from having featured in this thread before, when it previously sold back in November last year after a speight of shenanigans (see page 31 for more details), this 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 also has it's own aptly titled separate thread.

February 15, 2018 at 3:33 PM Flag Quote & Reply

ewand
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Here's a serviced Gen 1 over on OmegaForums - £1k does seem to be a fair price given its condition, but no takers as yet (and I've no connection with the seller):


https://omegaforums.net/threads/seiko-7a28-7120-gen-1-serviced-1yr-guarantee.70962/#post-903794


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7a38-7190 (Dec 86), 7a28-7270 (Jul 87) & 2x 7a28-7120 (Gen 1 RAF) - Jan & June 1990

February 24, 2018 at 9:37 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Earlier this evening, regular UK eBay seller britishmilitarysurplus listed another non-running 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 as a 3-day auction, with his customary opening bid price of £400. For once, on this occasion, it's not fitted with his trademark 'Bond' NATO. :o


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/273081577753



British Military Surplus

SEIKO Generation 1 - Pilot Watch

Genuine Issue Military Watch

Issued in 1986 - Been in Active Service

The Watch is Sold with No Warranty and No Guarantee

The Watch is not currently running - the watch will need a new battery and The Watch WILL NEED A SERVICE

The Watch is Sold as Untested


February 24, 2018 at 5:25 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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A couple more typically over-optimistically priced 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's were listed yesterday evening by eBay sellers from across 'The Pond'.


Firstly from a seller in California, asking $1195 as a Buy-it-Now. (This may be one we've seen before - I don't have time to page back through the thread to check, but the seller's eBay username mbear1234 sounds rather familiar).


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/173180221250


Up for sale is a Seiko 7A28-7120 Miltary Watch. It’s in beautiful condition and there case is untouched. All original parts. Normal wear from use. Service history unknown. All functions working correctly and keeping great time. Sold as pictured.


Then there's this 'head only' offered by a Canadian eBay seller, with a ludicrous 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now asking price of C$2500 Canadian Dollars.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/323100233237


For sale is an honest, beautiful Seiko 7a28-7120 Gen 1 RAF. This is a watch issued to the Royal Air Force and I believe was dated 1989. I'm sure this watch no longer needs any introductions if you're interested in this piece.

The dial is in great condition, pretty much perfect.

Hands are in great condition, pretty much perfect as well.

Case is in very good condition, some scratches and small dings as expected from a 20-30 year old watch, but nothing major.

7a28 movement runs very well with a new battery. Chronograph function is running flawlessly as well. Service history unknown.

Crown works as it should.

Crystal has scratches, but honestly unnoticeable unless looked for. Also easy to replace since it's very generic style.

Head only sale!

Please let me know if you have any questions.


Only one question from me: how did you manage to dream up that price ? 


February 26, 2018 at 4:33 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I knew there must have been a (wrong) reason for my remembering the username of that US eBay seller - mbear1234. If I'm not mistaken, he's just pulled the same stunt again ! He ended the listing in the early hours of this morning because of another alleged error. 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/173180221250



But hang on a minute ....

Checking eBay.com shows he sold it (twice) within the following 30 minutes.




Ignore the different thumbnails (it's the same watch) - it looks like he uploaded a new photo and made that the primary image for the two subsequent re-listings.

(Times shown in the above eBay.com ended listing summary are PST - not GMT).

For UK (GMT) timings, click on these two links:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/173182761599

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/173182788709


According to WatchCount.com's Look-up tool, it sold both times for $975:




If you check the eBay Purchase History (which I can't be bothered to upload screen prints of), it appears he accepted an offer of $975 from the same buyer twice, within the space of 15 minutes - so something fishy about that one ! 


February 27, 2018 at 2:51 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Meanwhile the latest 3-day auction by UK eBay seller britishmilitarysurplus, for a non-running 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, ended a few moments ago, selling for £504 after 4 bids. After the previous rigmarole, it made a pleasant change, to see a straight-forward auction sale, ending in a mini-snipefest ! :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/273081577753


February 27, 2018 at 2:54 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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This 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 was listed this afternoon, by a UK eBay seller, with an opening bid price of £100 (and no reserve).


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232689038580


Up for auction is my SEIKO GEN 1 MILITARY RAF / ROYAL NAVY GHRONOGRAPH WATCH, 1984. All in original condition, I don’t no much about this watch to give it justice, all I can say it’s had a new battery, keeps time, it’s good condition for a 34 year old watch, this watch aswell as some others was left in my grandfathers attic, as far as I no, it’s the original strap, here is a web site that will tell you all about this watch, www.wornandwound.com, hope that helps, happy bidding.


March 6, 2018 at 3:43 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Yesterday evening, regular UK eBay seller britishmilitarysurplus listed another 7A28-7120 in his customary manner, as a 3-day auction with an opening bid price of £400. In this instance, it would probably be wise to read his description, which he edited this morning (presumably copying the additional text from elsewhere), because it now appears to contradict itself. 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/401504059703


British Military Surplus

SEIKO Generation 1 - Pilot Watch

Genuine Issue Military Watch

Issued in 1988 - Been in Active Service

Good condition Seiko Royal Navy Helicopter Pilot’s watch.

Just serviced with a new battery, crystal and Original nato strap. Some marks to the case from normal military use.

The watch was originally issued in 1984 and due to being a military issue, has usual marks on it as one would expect. It is a very desirable and highly collectible watch due to the fact that it is a practical and functional watch and the choice of the British Armed Forces for use with the helicopter pilots.

Another thing adding to the collectability is the rarity of the watch, there were issued in no doubt in many numbers but not many survived life outside the armed forces where servicemen were required to give watches back once retired from the forces, on some occasions they could buy them if they wanted to keep them but not many servicemen took up this option. Genuine military issue item for the UK armed forces.

It is made in Japan with Japanese made quartz movement. It has a sandblasted all stainless steel case with fixed bars for operational security reasons. The dial is mat black with subsidiary seconds at the 6 position, the thirty minute elapsed timer at 9 and the 1/10th second elapsed timer at the 3 position. When the chronograph is activated, the 10th second timer moves straight into action in a very fast rotation. The inner bezel has sixty second markings, and the chronograph sixty second recorder is the sweep hand. . Width is 38 mm excluding crown and 40 mm including crown and pushers. Lug to lug is 43 mm and thickness is 9 mm.

The Watch is Sold with No Warranty and No Guarantee

The Watch is currently running However due to its age The Watch WILL NEED A SERVICE

The Watch is Sold as Untested


March 9, 2018 at 4:38 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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I nearly missed spotting this 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, which was listed by a UK eBay seller 4 days ago. For some reason, it wasn't picked up by any of my four 'Gen 1' saved searches and as I tend to only search manually on just 'Seiko 7A28' about once a week - I only just found it. :roll:


It does appear to be in rather better condition than your average abused 'Gen 1', with only minor nicks around the bezel and remarkably straight fixed bars - but  £1200 Quid ? 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/183112408608


Vintage 1990 First Gulf War "Operation DesertStorm" Gen.1 British Military RAF Issued Pilot's Chronographs with Broadarrow and Correct Military Issue Numbers 6645-99 7683056 on back

Procured from Seiko UK by the RAF and issued initially to Royal Air Force pilots and navigators but later also issued to Royal Navy Helicopter Pilots.

Superb condition and a wonderful addition to any collection.

Keeps perfect time and comes with leather strap pictured with.


March 10, 2018 at 6:42 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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