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Seiko7A38 at July 1, 2018 at 10:53 AM

This 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 'head only' was listed earlier this afternoon, by a UK eBay seller, as a 5-day auction, with a sensible opening bid price of £400.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/302790162141



The above quoted 5-day UK eBay auction for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 'head only' ended a few minutes ago, selling for £540 after 10 bids.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/302790162141


July 6, 2018 at 9:21 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, listed by a UK eBay seller, popped up in my saved search notifications early this morning. Not sure why it's only just appeared on my radar, because it was supposedly a 10-day auction - but now one with only 7½ days left to run. Looks like the seller completely edited it just before Midnight last night. :/ Nobody else can have seen it before either, because the first bid was only placed @ 6:30am this morning. Hence the reason bidding is still at only £5.50 (up from the £0.01 opening bid) after 2½ days. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/273347000505



Vintage Seiko RAF Gen 1 7A28-7120, Military Issue 1984, Quartz Chrono, Working

For sale is this Seiko RAF Gen 1 chronograph on a new canvas strap. This is a very early watch dating from 1984, and these were issued to the RAF from October 84, so this is incredibly rare and in such good condition too. It is quite common to find the later ones, but 1984 versions are very rare. Very sad to let this one go, but needs must.

Seiko stamped a “circle P” on the dial, indicating that Promethium – a mildly radioactive man-made element – was used to illuminate portions of the dial and hands. On the caseback are stamped the NATO stock numbers, as well as the watch’s individual issue number and year of issue. The broadarrow symbol indicates that the watch was property of the Crown and did not belong to an individual soldier or sailor.

Like all Seiko 7A28 models, the Gen 1 has a well-designed, functional chronograph with the stopwatch indicators arranged efficiently around the dial. The 3:00 o’clock register measures 1/10thsof a second, while the large center hand ticks incremental seconds. The 9:00 o’clock register records chronograph minutes up to 30. Time is displayed with standard center hour and minute hands and a continuous seconds hand in the bottom register.

Overall in excellent condition for an actual watch used in the RAF, a few light marks but nothing that can easily be seen with the naked eye. The most isible marks are the rubbing on the caseback (very common, as these come with fixed lugs and nato straps) - it has spent the last few years with a caseback sticker to prevent further rubbing. I've worn it on occasion, but not very frequently and it has been incredibly well looked after in my purview. The original mineral crystal has a scratch near the 3pm, but as it was original I didnt have the heart to get an aftermarket crystal on it for £20. I prefer the originality rather than polished looks.

Battery and seals replaced approximately 2 years ago, and the watch is usually kept with the crown pulled out to preserve battery, and the hands at 10:10 position as shown in the photos.

Starting the auction at 1p, with no reserve. Best wishes.


July 12, 2018 at 5:23 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Yesterday evening, UK eBay business seller britishmilitarysurplus listed another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 in what appears to have become his now standard format: 3-day auction listing with a £400 opening bid price and 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now option price of £1000. The almost inevitable outcome predicitable as always ....


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/273353352216


British Military Surplus

SEIKO Generation 1 - Pilot Watch

Genuine Issue Military Watch

Issued in 1990- The Watch is NOT currently Running - due to its age it will need a service

Good condition Seiko Royal Navy Helicopter Pilot’s watch.

Some marks to the case from normal military use.

The watch was originally issued in 1984 and due to being a military issue, has usual marks on it as one would expect. It is a very desirable and highly collectible watch due to the fact that it is a practical and functional watch and the choice of the British Armed Forces for use with the helicopter pilots.

Another thing adding to the collectability is the rarity of the watch, there were issued in no doubt in many numbers but not many survived life outside the armed forces where servicemen were required to give watches back once retired from the forces, on some occasions they could buy them if they wanted to keep them but not many servicemen took up this option. Genuine military issue item for the UK armed forces.

It is made in Japan with Japanese made quartz movement. It has a sandblasted all stainless steel case with fixed bars for operational security reasons. The dial is mat black with subsidiary seconds at the 6 position, the thirty minute elapsed timer at 9 and the 1/10th second elapsed timer at the 3 position. When the chronograph is activated, the 10th second timer moves straight into action in a very fast rotation. The inner bezel has sixty second markings, and the chronograph sixty second recorder is the sweep hand. . Width is 38 mm excluding crown and 40 mm including crown and pushers. Lug to lug is 43 mm and thickness is 9 mm.

The Watch is Sold with No Warranty and No Guarantee

The Watch is Sold as Untested


July 15, 2018 at 12:03 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The above 3-day auction for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, by regular UK eBay business seller britishmilitarysurplus ended a few moments ago, selling for £471.01 after 3 bids - all of which were sniped in the last 10 seconds.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/273353352216


July 17, 2018 at 2:26 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Well it may have got off to a delayed start, but that 10, sorry 7½-day eBay auction for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 by UK seller code-bk201 certainly made up for it in the last few days. The auction ended an hour ago, with it selling for £868 after 46 bids, rather better than some other recent eBay auction selling prices. Now I could be sarcastic here and say: it's surprising what a difference the random placement of a completely irrelevant plastic model Spitfire in the primary image can make .....

But as it was the RAF's 100th Anniversary celebrations (and Flypast on 10th July), I suspect the seller knew exactly what he was doing.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/273347000505


July 19, 2018 at 2:55 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Another not very rare 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 was listed yesterday evening, by a UK eBay seller as a 7-day auction, with an opening bid price of £99. Apparently these are quite sort after, too. 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/132710687568



Seiko RAF Gen 1 7A28-7120, Military Issue 1988 Quartz Chrono

Hi, here I have for auction is this very rare and sort after Seiko RAF Gen 1 chronograph on a new canvas strap, dating from 1988 these were first issued to the RAF in 1984.

Seiko stamped a “circle P” on the dial, indicating that Promethium – a mildly radioactive man-made element – was used to illuminate portions of the dial and hands. The case back is stamped with the NATO stock numbers, as well as the watch’s individual issue number and year of issue. The broad arrow (Crow’s foot) symbol indicates that the watch was property of the Crown.

This Seiko Gen 1 7A28 model keeps very good time, the chronograph functions all work well with stopwatch indicators arranged efficiently around the dial. The 3:00 o’clock register measures 1/10thsof a second, while the large centre hand ticks incremental seconds. The 9:00 o’clock register records chronograph minutes up to 30. Time is displayed with standard centre hour and minute hands and a continuous seconds hand in the bottom register.

Overall the watch in excellent condition with a few very light marks as you would expect for its age but nothing that can easily be seen with the naked eye, the mineral crystal is also in very good condition, new battery has been fitted and comes with two new NATO straps.

Happy to answer any questions the best I can and please not time wasters.

I have uploaded a video showing the various chrono functions working here

Will only accept payment by PayPal or cash on collection.

I start the bidding low to give everyone the opportunity to own this lovely rare chronograph, good luck & Happy Bidding.


July 20, 2018 at 12:36 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Those of you who maintain an eBay watching page will have noticed a recent change in format. I can't say I like the new look personally, but it does have one useful new feature - the ability to create custom lists within your watching page.




I've created a suitably entitled list: Stupidly over-priced 7A28 RAF Gen. 1's :P


The original eBay listings for all six of these 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's (which still remain unsold) have all been covered in previous pages of this thread. This is their current status at the time of writing. 3 of them are due to end within the next 48 hours and no doubt will continue to be re-listed ad nauseam. For the purposes of this summary, I've sorted them in ascending Buy-it-Now price (£ GBP) order:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/302806359225 aguiloco Spain 1200 Euros (£1,072.36)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223031228342 blarney_store USA $1450* (£1,106.79)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223074457332 (re-listed 25/07, now reduced to $1375)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/323315960088 mahc1234 Canada C$1975 (£1,148.32)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/113152097439 m-altieri Italy 1350 Euros (£1,206.41)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/113165899857 (same as above, re-listed 24/07/2018)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/283063350912 fe-shop-japan $2180 (£1,664.00)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/222946482533 japanese.shop $2436 (£1,859.40)


*Plus approx $427 in eBay GSP charges on top !!


July 23, 2018 at 1:40 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Yesterday evening, those six were joined by yet another ridiculously speculatively over-priced 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 listed by another US eBay seller. Unlike those others, this one isn't actually listed as a Buy-it-Now, but as a 7-day auction listing - with an opening bid price of $2000 AND a reserve price set !! :lol: On top of that, were anybody actually foolish enough to contemplate bidding on it, they might need to factor in eBay GSP charges of nearly $594 on top !! :o


I note with some amusement (see below) that the would-be seller appears to be laboring under some delusion about their alleged 'rarity' too. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/283067636076

                                                        


SEIKO 's British Air Force RAF' s GEN. 1 (7A28- 7120) chronograph watch.

SEIKO was requested to manufacture from MOD (UK Ministry of Defense)

This item became the British Army's first quartz clock.

The "P" mark on the dial indicating that promethium is used as a luminescent paint.

The number released by the British army is limited, even in the UK is rare.

On the back lid

SEIKO STAINLESS STEEL WATER RESISTANT JAPAN S

7A28-7120 A0

6645-99

7683056

Broad Arrow Mark

8784/89

954063


July 23, 2018 at 2:36 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I was just scrolling through my eBay watching list, deleting a few items, so I could make room for more crap that I have absolutely no intention of buying, when I noticed that one of those listings for speculatively over-priced 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's, which I'd recently summarised, had ended yesterday evening. It's the one listed by US eBay seller blarney_store, which they'd only just re-listed yesterday morning, in doing so, reducing their original 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-now price of $1450 down to 'only' $1375.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223074457332


WatchCount.com's Look-up tool reveals it actually sold for an offer of $1300.




As confirmed by the eBay Purchase History:

As I've written many times before: all it ever takes is one.  


July 26, 2018 at 11:08 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Ho Hum. Here I am, taking another poke at 'stupidly over-priced' 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's and one goes and sells for over £1000 as an auction.  


The 7-day auction by UK eBay seller sturty849 ended yesterday evening, selling for £1049 after 28 bids. I think it's time I got my coat. 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/132710687568

July 27, 2018 at 2:29 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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If I was paraniod (or actually cared), I might get the notion that military-minded punters are deliberately ganging up on me, just to prove me wrong. 


This morning, another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 from my 'stupidly over-priced' summary sold - the one first listed at the end of May (see top of previous page) by Spanish eBay seller aguiloco - went for his Buy-it-Now price of 1200 Euros.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/302806359225

As confirmed by the eBay Purchase History:



I had already noticed that the 7-day US eBay auction listing by would-be seller tech6214 is ending in a couple of hours. If anybody is stupid enough to place an opening bid @ $2000, let alone bid it up to the reserve price (whatever that might be), not only will I get my coat, but I'll eat my hat as well !! :P


July 29, 2018 at 10:36 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Earlier in the week, I added another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 to my eBay watching page - and also to my custom 'Stupidly over-priced 7A28 RAF Gen. 1's list. This one is listed by another US eBay seller, but this time a Bricks and Mortar retail establishment (they have overheads), which probably goes some way to explaining, if not justifying, the ludicrous 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now asking price of $1750 ! :o


Incidentally, since I took my screen grab of the listing, when it first appeared, 3 days ago, the seller has changed the primary image, by re-ordering his photos. I'm sure readers will understand when I say that I really can't be arsed to do another.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/332742880806

Seiko RAF British Military 7A28-7120 Quartz Chronograph

Very good UNTOUCHED, UNPOLISHED pre-owned/issued condition! First generation (C-1987) RAF British Military issue with Broad Arrow and contract numbers stamped clearly on the caseback. Housed in a 37mm stainless steel case. It features a black chronograph dial with luminous hour markers and hands. The dial is signed “Seiko P” (the P indicates promethium used for luminous).

We installed a fresh caseback gasket and a new battery and the watch is ticking right along, keeping good time. Otherwise, it remains untouched. Its chronograph functions are working smoothly. It comes on a genuine leather military style strap, also in very good condition.

Please view photos carefully before purchasing, as photos are a part of the description. Photos are of the actual item.

Pieces of Time, LLC (est. 1992) is a retail watch store located in Newington, CT.

If you have any questions, please feel free to contact us.

Our retail hours are Wednesday-Friday, 10am – 5:30pm EST, and Saturday 9am-1pm EST.

Take a look at the pictures, they tell a story!

FREE ONE-DAY US SHIPPING with insurance and tracking.

INTERNATIONAL SHIPPING: Cost varies by location, please wait for invoice.

Since we will ship within the US at NO charge, we will split the cost of any overseas shipment.

WE WILL COMBINE SHIPPING ON MULTIPLE ITEMS

(Please wait for updated invoice if purchasing multiple items)

Thanks For Bidding And Good Luck!


August 4, 2018 at 7:28 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at June 19, 2018 at 10:47 AM

Here's yet another speculatively over-priced 7A28-7120 RAF Gen 1, listed earlier this afternoon, by an Italian eBay seller, with a 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of 1350 Euros. Dunno about the 'rarissimo' bit. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/113079027759

LE FOTO PARLANO DA SOLE

DESCRIZIONE

Seiko military vintage chronograph RAF British 7A28-7120

Misura: 35 mm (esclusa corona)

Materiale: acciaio

Movimento: quarzo

Quadrante: nero

Condizioni: ottime

Scatola: no

Garanzia originale : no

Contattatemi per ulteriori informazioni.

Spedizione tracciabile o consegna a mano a Milano.

Contattatemi per ulteriori informazioni.


Since eBay Marketing implemented their ended listing re-direct policy, a month or so back, my task of keeping these threads updated with results, etc. has become increasingly difficult. So any eBay seller who makes it more difficult by 'playing hide and seek games' with their already speculatively over-priced listings, are going to get very short change indeed from yours truly. I'm talking about the sellers who end their listings early as item allegedly 'no longer available' and then turn around and re-list them again. One such who was already starting to annoy me was the would-be Italian eBay seller m-altieri.



The most recent re-listing by Italian eBay seller m-altieri didn't last very long at all. Less than a day in fact. :roll: He ended it late yesterday evening @ 23:08 (UK time):



Strangely enough, this 'new' listing by 'another' Italian eBay seller massimvitr9, for what appears to be exactly the same 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, was miraculously listed yesterday evening @ 23:07 (one minute before). To all intents and purpose: photos, description, title including 7A28-712 (without the '0') are almost identical. The main significant difference from m-altieri's previous listings is that the risible 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price has now gone up from 1350 to 1455 Euros. Not content with that; the shipping cost has been increased from the previous hefty 50 Euros to an extortionate 80 Euros. :o


I don't know who he thinks he's fooling, but he really does need to try harder. 
@ Massimo Altieri (or whatever your real name is): Sei uno stupido segaiolo. 

August 7, 2018 at 10:44 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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It's not as if any further proof were really needed, was it ? ..... 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/173455256751



August 9, 2018 at 10:26 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 listed by US eBay seller piecesoftime sold in the early hours of this morning. Not for their 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of $1750, but still a very respectable ridiculous price (IMHO). 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/332742880806

WatchCount.com's Look-up tool reveals it actually sold for a whopping $1500 ! :o



As confirmed by the eBay Purchase History:

August 9, 2018 at 10:29 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Here's another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 to add to my custom 'stupidly over-priced' eBay list (as well as my watching page). Though I really don't know why I bother. It was listed this afternoon by a Japanese eBay seller fe-shop-japan, who I'm sure have featured earlier in this thread. They appear to be a proxy seller who employ some rather outrageous mark-ups. This latest 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 they're offering is ludicrously over-priced @ $1980 USD.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/273397925276

Item Description

【Case】

There are fine thin scratches on the bezel.

There are thin scratches on the side and back side.

 

【Bless】

We have attached unused nylon belt made by CASSIS company.

 

【Windshield / dial plate】

It is in a very beautiful state.

 

【Notices】

It is a commodity with battery replacement and machine inspection completed.

Specification and contents of the product

brand

Seiko

Genre

Mens watches

Model number

Ref. 7 A 28 - 7120

size

Case diameter: 37 mm

Arm rotation maximum: 23 cm

Material

Case: SS

Breath: Nylon

Color

Dial: Black

Case: Silver

Breath: Green series

accessories

· Our warranty card

· Box (our product prepared)

Movement: Quartz

Operational status: Normal operation

Battery replacement: August 2018


The first thing I did on seeing that stupid price was to open up XE.com currency exchange website in another tab. They currenly show $1 USD equivalent to almost exactly ¥111 Yen. Actually it's ¥110.999. ;) So $1980 USD equates to approx. ¥219,780 Yen at today's rate.


I hadn't recently searched '7A28' on Yahoo Japan auctions, but it took me a only matter of seconds to find the source of the original listing / description. It was listed yesterday, by a YJ 'Store' seller bestbuy_net, for 7 days, with a 'Prompt Decision' Buy-it-Now price of ¥138,000 Yen.



http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/w249999985



You'll note it shows a price of ¥127,778 Yen in the footer. Adding 8% Japanese Sales Tax makes up the ¥138,000 Yen total Buy-it-Now price. Using the same exchange rate of $1 USD = ¥111 JPY, according to my calculation (and XE.com) that's equivalent to a rather lower $1245 USD ! :o


August 9, 2018 at 2:21 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Here's another non-running 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, listed yesterday evening by regular UK business seller britishmilitarysurplus. Not quite his usual format, this one's a 5-day listing rather than 3, same £400 opening bid price or Buy-it-Now option for £1000 (which nobody ever takes) and it's just a 'head only' - no NATO strap included, let alone his almost customary 'James Bond' NATO.



British Military Surplus

SEIKO Generation 1 - Pilot Watch

Genuine Issue Military Watch

Issued in 1990- The Watch is NOT currently Running - due to its age it will need a service

Good condition Seiko Royal Navy Helicopter Pilot’s watch.

Some marks to the case from normal military use.

The watch was originally issued in 1984 and due to being a military issue, has usual marks on it as one would expect. It is a very desirable and highly collectible watch due to the fact that it is a practical and functional watch and the choice of the British Armed Forces for use with the helicopter pilots.

Another thing adding to the collectability is the rarity of the watch, there were issued in no doubt in many numbers but not many survived life outside the armed forces where servicemen were required to give watches back once retired from the forces, on some occasions they could buy them if they wanted to keep them but not many servicemen took up this option. Genuine military issue item for the UK armed forces.

It is made in Japan with Japanese made quartz movement. It has a sandblasted all stainless steel case with fixed bars for operational security reasons. The dial is mat black with subsidiary seconds at the 6 position, the thirty minute elapsed timer at 9 and the 1/10th second elapsed timer at the 3 position. When the chronograph is activated, the 10th second timer moves straight into action in a very fast rotation. The inner bezel has sixty second markings, and the chronograph sixty second recorder is the sweep hand. . Width is 38 mm excluding crown and 40 mm including crown and pushers. Lug to lug is 43 mm and thickness is 9 mm.

The Watch is Sold with No Warranty and No Guarantee

The Watch is Sold as Untested


August 15, 2018 at 3:52 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Another, fully functional, 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 was listed yesterday evening by a UK eBay seller, as a no reserve 7-day auction with an opening bid price of £450.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/183381288397


Owned by me for the last 10 years. Recently serviced by TWR Watch Repairs. Omega Certified Watch Repairers.

The classic Gen. 1 RAF-issued Seiko chronograph.

Of course used but in full working order.

You can read more about these amazing watches here:

http://home.earthlink.net/~nederick/SeikoChronoRevuVulcF.htm

I’m selling a Gen 2 RAF Chronograph as well. Check my other listings.


August 16, 2018 at 4:39 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I had to do a double-take yesterday evening. UK seller britishmilitarysurplus listed another non-running 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 'Head Only'. I thought it was the same listing at first. But it's subtly different, in that this is a 1988 issued watch, whereas his other current listing is for a 1990. This one's only a 3-day listing (his normal default choice of duration). So funnily enough, this auction will also end on Sunday evening, 20 minutes after the other one. Anybody like to predict the almost inevitable outcome ? :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/273406689087


I'm not even going to bother comparing or re-posting the description. I think it's fairly safe to assume he just substituted 1988 for 1990 in the previous one.


August 17, 2018 at 10:05 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The outcome of those two eBay listings by UK seller britishmilitarysurplus for non-running 'head only' 7A28-7120 RAF Gen.1's wasn't too difficult to predict. The first 5-day auction ended about 20 minutes ago, selling for £549 after 6 bids (5 of which came in the customary last 5 second snipe-fest):


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/302844037311


The second 3-day auction (subject of my previous post) ended a few moments ago, in a similarly predictable manner, selling for £631.11 after 7 bids. All 7 bids, by 7 different bidders, were presumaby automated snipe bids, came in at exactly the same time, 5 seconds before the auction ended @ 8:40:18PM.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/273406689087


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