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Yesterday evening, regular UK eBay business seller britishmilitarysurplus listed yet another non-running 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1. His usual format: 3-day auction listing with an opening bid price of £400, or the option to Buy-it-Now for £1000. :roll: The outcome predictable as always. I've only bothered copying and pasting the first couple of sentences from his standard template listing description.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/302906991235


British Military Surplus

SEIKO Generation 1 - Pilot Watch

Genuine Issue Military Watch

Issued in 1990- The Watch is NOT currently Running - due to its age it will need a service

Good condition Seiko Royal Navy Helicopter Pilot’s watch.

Some marks to the case from normal military use.


October 4, 2018 at 5:30 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The above 3-day auction listing for a non-running 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 by regular UK eBay seller britishmilitarysurplus, ended a few moments ago in the usual predictable fashion. Right up until the final 8 seconds, no bids had been placed, then 4 snipe bids came in from 3 different bidders, the first placed and highest of £496.01 taking the win.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/302906991235


October 6, 2018 at 3:23 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 was listed earlier this afternoon, by the oddly named UK eBay seller princesslear1dawn, with a Buy-it-Now price of £850.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/113294232928


This watch is in full working order and has been recently serviced and had a new glass fitted.

This RAF-issued Seiko military generation 1 watch is considered to be one of the most sought among military watches and this is not surprising as the model is relatively scarcity as well as of a higher grade movement and build quality.

A now rare sought after watch, an ideal addition for any collector.

Dated: 1990

1st Generation

Dial: Original Promithium Luminous Military Dial with Three Sub-Dials.

The case excluding the crown and pushers measures 37mm across and has an inter-lug width of 20mm.

As it is required by the MoD, all Seiko military models fit fixed strap bars.

The watch has had active service watch from the military and therefore has some slight marks the casing

Includes new grey strap.

The images are of the watch you will receive.

The watch will be posted out on a fully tracked and signed for service with DPD.

This watch is in full working order!


October 7, 2018 at 11:05 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I suppose I should also mention this other 'new' listing for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 - if only to allay any reader's concerns that I might be falling down on the job. ;) It appeared in the early hours of this morning, listed by yet another of these would-be profiteering unauthorised 'proxy' Japanese re-sellers - vintage.and.used_japan (a business seller with a feedback rating of just 1). :roll: Their 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price is a typically ludicrous £1710 !! 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/362452068971


This recently created eBay ID vintage.and.used_japan is obviously yet another psuedo for used.and.vintage_japan and japanese.shop, who both also listed it the same time, in the early hours of this morning, on eBay.com and eBay.com.au


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/123409441078 (used.and.vintage_japan)  $3194 Au

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/323486652180 (japanese.shop) asking $2249 USD


They may well be connected to another such would-be profiteering Japanese re-seller fe-shop-japan, whom I'm pretty sure I'd mentioned previously in this thread.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/283181301284 - asking a slightly higher $2340 USD


Of course, this is the same grossly over-priced 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, which has been re-listed yet again by the original Japanese seller sabit505 on Yahoo Japan.


http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/m282474094


October 7, 2018 at 1:17 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at August 28, 2018 at 6:43 AM

Just to confuse matters further, the same 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 (currently listed on Yahoo Japan with an asking price of 165,000 Yen) was listed a second time on eBay overnight, with a marginally less ludicrous 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of $2249 and FREE shipping ! I'm assuming this eBay ID japanese.shop is another proxy seller, same as fe-shop-japan - possibly in some way connected.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/323417992997


Yeah - I thought that all sounded vaguely familiar. Double déjà vu ! :roll:


October 7, 2018 at 1:47 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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That 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, which was listed this afternoon, by UK eBay seller princesslear1dawn, sold quickly, earlier this evening for the £850 Buy-it-Now price.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/113294232928

As confirmed by the eBay Purchase History:

October 7, 2018 at 3:11 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 was listed yesterday evening by UK eBay seller skytwang, as a 7-day auction, with an opening bid price of £499. And I do mean 'another' in the literal sense ....


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/142964777023



This listing is for a 1990 MoD issued Seiko Generation 1 (Gen 1) 7A28-7120 military aircrew chronograph.

The watch is in very good condition and full working order.

As an issued watch it has some small marks to the case, but overall is in very clean condition - please refer to the photographs to assess cosmetic condition for yourself. The case back bears the correct issue marks. The face and hands in excellent condition and the glass is perfect. The crown/stem and pushers all operate correctly and positively.

The hacking function works and the watch resets correctly from the crown. The chrono functions all operate and reset correctly, with the sweep second hand, tenth of a second sub-dial and minute sub-dial all correctly returning to the zero position. The chrono adjustment function for all three also works to adjust the reset positions if necessary.

As you would expect the watch keeps excellent time.

The watch is fitted with a new green NATO style strap.

If you want to know more about this watch type, I can recommend http://home.earthlink.net/~nederick/SeikoChronoRevuVulcF.htm. The instructions and technical manual can also be downloaded from this site.

Please carefully check the photographs before buying to assess condition. The photographs form part of the description.

Note that this is a vintage watch and waterproofing/water resistance has not been tested and cannot be guaranteed.

UK postage is by Royal Mail Special Delivery, hence the cost.

INTERNATIONAL SHIPPING

I will ship to North America, Oceania and Europe. Due to restrictions placed by Global Shipping Programme, which prevents the sale of Seiko products between EU and other regions, I am unable to offer GSP on this item.

Fully insured shipping costs should be available via this listing if you select your region. If you have any difficulty seeing the shipping costs, please contact me and I will be happy to quote shipping.

IF YOU ARE A BUYER FROM ONE OF THESE REGIONS PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU KNOW THE SHIPPING COST BEFORE BIDDING. DUE TO THE COST OF INSURANCE SHIPPING COSTS ARE HIGH.

Buyer pays any imports duties and customs fees.

Any questions, just ask.

Thanks very much for looking!


On the face of it, this seems a slightly strange strategy, when their previous eBay listing for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 remains unsold. It's a Buy-it-Now listing with an asking price of £845, still with a week or so left to run - and 60+ watchers. Full details are posted on the previous page. Link to the summary below.


October 8, 2018 at 8:36 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Yesterday afternoon, the oddly named UK eBay seller princesslear1dawn listed another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1. The Buy-it-Now price of £850 is the same as their previous one which sold remarkably quickly last week.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/113300470301


This watch is in full working order and has been recently serviced and had a new glass fitted

This RAF-issued Seiko military generation 1 watch is considered to be one of the most sought among military watches and this is not surprising as the model is relatively scarcity as well as of a higher grade movement and build quality

A now rare sought after watch, an ideal addition for any collector

Dated: 1989

1st Generation

Dial: Original Promithium Luminous Military Dial with Three Sub-Dials

The case excluding the crown and pushers measures 37mm across and has an inter-lug width of 20mm.

As it is required by the MoD, all Seiko military models fit fixed strap bars.

The watch has had active service watch from the military and therefore has some slight marks the casing

Includes new grey strap and a nice watch box

The images are of the watch you will receive

The watch will be posted out on a fully tracked and signed for service with DPD

This watch is in full working order!


October 11, 2018 at 12:38 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Checking my eBay watching page, I noticed that the newest of the multi-named unauthorised proxy Japanese eBay re-sellers had ended their recent listing for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, late last night, because the item was no longer available.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/362452068971



Sure enough, checking Yahoo Japan revealed that the original seller's most recent re-listing had also ended - it finally sold for their ¥165,000 Yen asking price. That's equivalent to approx. $1470.50 USD / £1117.50 GBP.


http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/m282474094



October 13, 2018 at 4:59 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Following a link, posted in a completely unrelated thread on TZ-UK, I stumbled across another non-running 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, which is coming up for sale later this month. It's Lot # 8 in Gardiner Houlgate's Watch Sale auction, which takes place @ 10:00am on 24th October in Corsham, Wiltshire. Opening bid price is £180 and the auctioneers estimate is a conservative £300 - £500. Plus of course, there are the other additional costs to bear in mind: 20% Buyer's Premium commission, another 3% charge for bidding online and 20% VAT payable on top of the hammer price - so with 21 people already watching it, it's extremely unlikely to end up being anybody's bargain. :/


http://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/gardiner-houlgate/catalogue-id-srgard10100/lot8



October 13, 2018 at 5:28 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The 7-day auction for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, by UK eBay seller skytwang, ended 20 minutes ago, selling for £700 after 10 bids.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/142964777023

October 14, 2018 at 3:00 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at September 21, 2018 at 12:26 PM

Here's yet another eBay listing for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 with a £1000+ price tag. :roll: Listed this morning by a UK business seller - a Geordie Lass, allegedly, with a Buy-it-Now for £1100. Obviously makes not a jot of difference whatsoever, my bitching about these stupid 'pie-in-the-sky' asking prices, because it seems there's nearly always some mug punter daft enough to pay them.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/192665068277


Admittedly, I hadn't bothered updating my previous post, but the UK eBay seller 527suzanne had revised their listing, a number of times last month, eventually reducing the Buy-it-Now price down to a rather more realistic £800 by the end of the month. But surprisingly it still remained unsold. They ended the listing earlier this evening, because of an error - presumably in the pricing. :/



They had me confused for a minute, because they appear to have created a new listing earlier this evening - this time, a 7-day auction with an opening bid price of £750, an hour before they cancelled the previous one.*


*Belated Edit: I just remembered, the clocks go back (to GMT) this weekend - so that apparent 'discrepancy' of one hour makes sense now. :) Brane Fade. 

October 24, 2018 at 3:58 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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This other UK seller forpik also had me scratching my head for a moment. Earlier this evening, they listed two 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's - both 1988 issue and 'Head Only' with similar Buy-it-Now prices of £990 and £909. I had to do a double take at first - although the screen grabs came out looking slightly different.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232978694435



http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232978699175



The descriptions of the two watches are quite similar.


The significant difference being the second one has had its fixed bars replaced.


Judging by the foreign sounding spelling mistakes in the formatted part of the description, it would suggest that English is not the seller's first language. 


October 24, 2018 at 6:50 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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The first of those two 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's listed by UK eBay seller forpik sold on Monday afternoon for the £990 Buy-it-Now asking price.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232978694435

As confirmed by the eBay Purchase History:


October 31, 2018 at 9:41 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Yesterday evening, Spanish eBay seller aguiloco listed this 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 with a Buy-it-Now price of 1400 Euros (and no option to make an offer). When I first saw the listing, I had to do a double take, because the photos looked so similar to the one which he sold at the end of July (for 1200 Euros). I checked the case-back serial numbers and this is another different watch (the previous was 1989 issue).


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/302940181613


If you are looking for this watch you don't need a history lesson about the 7A28 movement or the military issued Seiko watches so I'll go directly to the point.

The watch is an original unmolested example, only the glass has been replaced for a sapphire one because of a deep scratch, also a new battery and a gasket set, should be water resistant but I don't have the equipment to test it.

The stainless steel case still in great shape, has a few marks and scratches, keeping the original satin finish. Please study the photographs as they are the best description.

Dial and hands are perfect, no stains or paint loss.

All functions working as it should. when I got it some chronograph hands didn't move all the time so I cleaned and oiled it with Moebius oils, working like a champ since, check the 6s photograph with all hands moving.

These are the numbers stamped on the back:

6645-99

7683056

5680/88

814205

Comes on a grey and black NATO strap.

For buyers outside Europe, you are responsible for any import duties charges, I always declare a low value anyway so it unlikely to pay extra charges on delivery. By default, I'll use private shipping companies like TNT or DHL with fast delivery and good tracking info, for them I'll need your phone number and some ID number for the export documentation if you live outside the European Union.


October 31, 2018 at 9:52 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Hardly worth mentioning really, other than to comment on the bare-faced cheek of this UK eBay seller grebit17. An almost empty 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 watch case (less the all-important MOD stamped case-back, which has gone AWOL). Yours for a mere £250 ! 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/264018575374


Vintage Seiko Gen 1 Military Chronograph Watch Case 7a28-7120. All original buttons are present and work well.

Very good condition for age with a few age related marks (Please see photos for details),

UK postcodes only.


November 2, 2018 at 12:11 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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To my amazement, that empty 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 watch case sold yesterday.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/264018575374

WatchCount.com's Look-Up tool reveals it actually sold for an offer of £200.



But whyever would anybody want one - unless perhaps it was needed to restore a watch like that which featured early in this thread, with badly bent lugs. Hmmm. :/


November 4, 2018 at 3:10 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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It does annoy me when eBay sellers keep messing around with their (re)listings, particularly on something like 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's where I actually have no real personal interest (in buying one). See my last post higher up the page, dated 24th October, regarding UK eBay seller 527suzanne, for example ....


They re-listed it again, and again, finally reducing the opening bid price to £400 ....

Before ending that early because of another alleged error yesterday evening. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/192709626018


I really sometimes do wonder why I bother. 


November 4, 2018 at 3:22 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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On Monday evening, UK eBay seller skytwang ended their other unsold listing for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 'because the item is no longer available'.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/142977108981



Another inconclusive result. :roll:


November 7, 2018 at 6:44 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at August 26, 2018 at 10:10 AM

Here's another speculatively over-priced 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, listed on eBay at lunchtime today, by UK seller mwwatches with a 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of £950 and currently no option to make an offer. :roll: Not the best of examples: this one has more than it's fair share of minor dings and rubbing wear to the bezel and is suffering from manky hands lume.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/163221847836


It took a few months, two re-listings and price reductions, but the above quoted 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1, first listed by UK eBay seller mwwatches at the end of August, finally sold yesterday morning, for their reduced £775 Buy-it-Now price.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/163356097051


As confirmed by the eBay Purchase History:


November 11, 2018 at 4:22 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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