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Seiko7A38 at November 4, 2013 at 2:09 AM

Another fixer-upper 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 with a chronograph fault, which I'd suspect will probably turn out to be a relatively easy fix.

Fitted with a leather strap, rather than the customary NATO. Opening bid @ only £49.99 - the 7-day auction should be worth watching.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/350916930350




Vintage Military Seiko Chronograph wrist watch. The watch is working but the chronograph is not, the reset pusher does not seem to work so the watch may need a service to rectify these issues. The dial is signed: Seiko P Japan 7A28-714L T. The case back is stamped: Seiko Stainless steel Water resistant 7A28-7120 6645-99 768056 10692/90 013424 Japan. Case diameter measures 37mm. We post packages on either Monday or Thursday or on nearest day once payment has been received. A very good quality wrist watch to add to a collection.


I was out yesterday evening, so please excuse the slightly later than usual reporting of these couple of results. :P


The eBay auction for that tidy-looking 7A28-7120 RAF Gen, 1 'fixer upper' on a leather strap ended @ 9:00pm yesterday evening:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/350916930350


It culminated in something of  a mini snipe-fest, selling for £304.99 after 25 bids. Won by a member of this forum, if I'm not mistaken. ;)


November 11, 2013 at 11:25 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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You'll notice I wrote 'couple of results'.

There was another 'fixer-upper' 7A28-7120 RAF Gen.1, listed on eBay last week, which I hadn't mentioned in this thread previously:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291007695335


Collectable Seiko pilots/navigators quartz battery watch has a 0995/90 and 7A28 under the Nato stock number believe to be as used in the Gulf war sold as spares or repairs the black nato band is brand new one any questions please ring me on 07949671782 Mark.


I'm not sure how I failed to spot it when it was first listed back on October 31st - I presume it was something connected with the seller having amended his listing description on November 7th (note '7A28' is in a different font), but it didn't come up in any of my various searches until there were less than two days of the 10-day listing left to go. At which point there was still only one bidder @ just £50.


As the watch head looked fairly tidy, if a little dusty, in the seller's 3rd listing photo ....




I decided to have a punt at it - just for the sheer hell of it, really.  But because I knew I was going to be out for the evening, I set up AuctionSniper and left it to do the dirty business for me. You can tell how badly I wanted one of these (not), because I bid under £200.



It sold for £204.67 (just a Fiver over my maximum bid) after 8 bids. Am I upset at being out-sniped. Yeah, heart-broken, right. :D


November 11, 2013 at 11:31 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at November 10, 2013 at 9:38 AM

Once again would-be eBay seller Wheesht!'s 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 goes unsold. Perhaps he'll decide to keep it (again) this time. :lol:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/200983285692


Purely for the record, this time around he received (and subsequently declined) 3 offers for the watch, the highest of which was £480:


http://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsLogin&item=200983285692



The listing received some 273 views over the course of this 7-day listing, and best I can tell, at peak 25 people had been watching it.


Edit: It was back again, re-listed within a matter of minutes after the previous listing ended: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/200986030544



Not wishing to rub salt into the wound, but .... 

eBay seller Wheesht's 7A28-7120 RAF Gen 1 (which he was originally asking £595 for, you'll remember) finally sold yesterday teatime:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/200986030544




Bearing in mind that this greedy would-be seller had previously declined (more than generous) offers £500 in October and £480 more recently, (against previous listings), I'm sure we'd all be interested to know what figure he finally agreed to accept, wouldn't we ? 


http://www.goofbid.com/ebay_best_offers_tool.html?gbo_username=Wheesht!

November 14, 2013 at 6:53 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at November 11, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Seiko7A38 at November 4, 2013 at 2:09 AM

Another fixer-upper 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 with a chronograph fault, which I'd suspect will probably turn out to be a relatively easy fix.

Fitted with a leather strap, rather than the customary NATO. Opening bid @ only £49.99 - the 7-day auction should be worth watching.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/350916930350




Vintage Military Seiko Chronograph wrist watch. The watch is working but the chronograph is not, the reset pusher does not seem to work so the watch may need a service to rectify these issues. The dial is signed: Seiko P Japan 7A28-714L T. The case back is stamped: Seiko Stainless steel Water resistant 7A28-7120 6645-99 768056 10692/90 013424 Japan. Case diameter measures 37mm. We post packages on either Monday or Thursday or on nearest day once payment has been received. A very good quality wrist watch to add to a collection.


I was out yesterday evening, so please excuse the slightly later than usual reporting of these couple of results. :P


The eBay auction for that tidy-looking 7A28-7120 RAF Gen, 1 'fixer upper' on a leather strap ended @ 9:00pm yesterday evening:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/350916930350


It culminated in something of  a mini snipe-fest, selling for £304.99 after 25 bids. Won by a member of this forum, if I'm not mistaken. ;)


Yep - that was me :P


I went for this as it looked to be in very good condition, and I do like getting things working again.


When it arrived none of the pushers were working. Hmmm, not a good sign.


Opening it up revealled a very clean movement and there was no evidence of battery leakage or moisture. I took the back plate, PCB and 710 spacer block off and everything looked in tip top shape. That's good, but why aren't the pushers working?


Removing the pushers revealled the problem - caked on dirt, at least 1mm of it in each of the pusher wells. :roll:


I guess given its provenance as a military watch, this one got out and about a bit.


It needed a new crystal, so the case and pushers got a good ultrasonic clean while I was at it. Then the pushers were greased and re-fitted and everything works perfectly. 8)


Here we go:


November 16, 2013 at 2:54 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Yes, I thought that one might turn out to be an easy fix, Simon. ;)


The other 7A28-7120 'fixer-upper' (which was sold 'as spares or repairs') isn't turning out to be such a bargain buy after all ....

as we know from this thread. But I suspect that one may turn out be in even better cosmetic condition, going by the seller's photo.

November 17, 2013 at 2:41 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Now I'm definitely no expert on 7A28-7120 RAF Gen 1's (see seller's description). But I do have an exceedingly good memory. :P

As soon as I saw this new eBay listing created early this morning, it struck a chord.

Not for the watch in particular, but the eBay seller's username - antroadrunner.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/380773683688



VINTAGE SEIKO GENERATION 1 MILITARY ISSUE MEN'S WRISTWATCH. 

I AM NOT AN EXPERT ON THIS ITEM BUT MAY HAVE INTERESTING MILITARY HISTORY. 

EXCELLENT WORKING CONDITION. USED NATURALLY AGED CONDITION. 

SEE ALL PHOTOGRAPHS - SOLD AS SHOWN. NICE SOLID MILITARY STAINLESS STEEL WATCH.


If you're wondering why I happened to remember his user ID - read through page 1 to get a flavour of what this chancer gets up to. 


November 18, 2013 at 3:18 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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I'll never understand the logic of eBay sellers who set up auctions with a 99p opening bid price but set the reserve price much higher.

Still, at least the reserve on this 7A28-7120 RAF / RN Generation 1 listed yesterday is set at a reasonably sensible £250 for a change:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121225853776



Good condition Seiko Royal Navy Helicopter Pilot’s watch. The watch was originally issued in 1989 and due to being a military issue, has usual marks on it as one would expect. It is a very desirable and highly collectible watch due to the fact that it is a practical and functional watch and the choice of the British Armed Forces for use with the helicopter pilots. Another thing adding to the collectability is the rarity of the watch, there were issued in no doubt in many numbers but not many survived life outside the armed forces where servicemen were required to give watches back once retired from the forces, on some occasions they could buy them if they wanted to keep them but not many servicemen took up this option. I was fortunate enough to forget to return mine hence the serial number being removed and the back case covered with blue paint. Genuine military issue item for the UK armed forces. If it is good enough for them, it is certainly good enough for everyday use. These are getting increasingly harder to find and as a result the prices are climbing. It is made in Japan with Japanese made quartz movement. It has a sandblasted all stainless steel case with fixed bars for operational security reasons. The dial is matt black with subsidiary seconds at the 6 position, the thirty minute elapsed timer at 9 and the 1/10th second elapsed timer at the 3 position. When the chronograph is activated, the 10th second timer moves straight into action in a very fast rotation. The inner bezel has sixty second markings, and the chronograph sixty second recorder is the sweep hand. This is comfortable to wear, and an excellent watch. Width is 38 mm excluding crown and 40 mm including crown and pushers. Lug to lug is 43 mm and thickness is 9 mm. Watch needs new battery, casing rubber gasket and possibly a new winder spindle.


Pity about the ruined case-back though.


December 1, 2013 at 6:37 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Hi all,

I don't know much about Gen 1 & 2 models, so please excuse my ignorance. I'm hoping you can shed some light on something that's confusing me: I've seen a few Gen 2 watches on ebay; they're labelled as issued, but don't have the issue numbers on the back.

Does that mean they're not issued? Are those numbers essential, and do they effect the value?


The picture of the watch on ebay:



The expected issue numbering:


December 5, 2013 at 6:48 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Simple. The 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 was only ever issued by MOD stores to military personnel.

The later 7T27-7A20 RAF Gen. 2 was also available commercially - for sale to the general public.

So if it isn't stamped with the NSN / issue numbers (as in your second photo) - it isn't an issued watch. The seller is being dishonest.

I don't normally follow the prices of Gen. 2's, but as a rule of thumb, I'd reckon to pay about half the price for the 'civilian' version. ;)

December 5, 2013 at 6:56 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Makes perfect sense. I've seen a few Gen 2's on ebay without the issue numbers, but labelled as "issued", so I was getting confused. Lying son of a guns :)

Thanks a lot for the info.

I'm currently looking for a Gen 1 & 2, but finding issued ones in good condition at a reasonable price is proving to be problematic!

December 5, 2013 at 7:39 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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I don't want to get into any kind of prolonged discussion about 7T27-7A20 Gen. 2's here (because that's not the subject of this thread)

But the first photo you posted comes from this recent UK eBay listing:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-MILITARY-ISSUE-USED-SEIKO-Gen-2-PILOTS-CHRONO-WRIST-WATCH-/151178367974

Look again closely at that photo and you'll see traces of the original NSN and issue numbers - they've almost been worn away by the action of the NATO strap chafing on the case-back, but they are there. ;)

December 5, 2013 at 7:51 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Getting back on topic - asking and selling prices for 7A28-7120 RAF (or RN) Gen. 1's ....

The eBay auction for that RN 7A28-7120 with the obliterated serial numbers / blue painted case-back ended a few moments ago:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121225853776



Yup. Yours truly was the high bidder @ £123 - less than half the seller's £250 reserve price. Thought someone might have outbid me.


December 7, 2013 at 8:54 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Another somewhat over-optimistically priced auction listing for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 appeared on eBay a little over 24 hours ago.

Once again the would-be seller's somewhat unusual choice of user ID rigsbydidjones struck a chord in my memory.

I'm obviously spending far too much time looking at these things. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171189958620



Seiko Gen 1 RAF Watch up for sale.


Excellent condition and in full working order , as it was checked over by Prestige Time Services last year where a new crystal was fitted , new gaskets and cleaned.


Issue number - 6691 / 88 


Please examine pictures to satisfy yourself with condition. 

Payment within 72 hrs of auction finish , will be posted recorded delivery when payment has been received. 

Thanks for looking !


Apart from having been an avid watcher of Rising Damp back in the day, the reason I remembered the user ID rigsbydidjones was that, back in September he'd listed that 'pranged parts watch' on eBay:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171119283428


Perhaps that's what he's based his current opening bid price on - thinking this one must be worth at least 10 times the price. :lol:


December 7, 2013 at 9:10 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I was looking at the recent listing, £515 Gen 1. Looks to be in good condition. I know you said the seller is being over optimistic, but do you think it's actually overpriced and not worth paying that amount for it?

December 12, 2013 at 3:16 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I do, but then that's my own personal opinion, simply because I don't believe any of these watches warrant such prices.

IIRC, I wrote something similar about this one:

December 12, 2013 at 5:26 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at November 6, 2013 at 4:07 AM

I hadn't bothered mentioning it previously, but ....

In a similar vein, though not so blatantly greedy, patriotic flag-waving seller naiscs2005 had reduced his B-I-N price from £550 to £525:

It still went unsold: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121188879474



In his current 30-day re-listing, the Buy-it-Now price has been further reduced to £500:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121208882630


I hadn't previously posted an update on that particular listing but it did subsequently sell for £500:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121208882630

 

Suggest you read back through the previous pages - particularly the saga of Mr Wheesht! and his 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1. Athough the replacement crystal in his watch wasn't fitted squarely, it appeared to be in a similar cosmetic condition - best as one can tell from photos. His original asking prices were: £590 / £595 - but it finally sold for £450.  I'd recommend you sit on your hands for a while. ;)


December 12, 2013 at 5:29 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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But don't worry if someone else caves in and goes for it at the opening bid price of £515. There'll always be plenty more. ;)


Here's another 7A28-7120 listed as RN rather than RAF, with an opening bid of only 1p and no reserve:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261353107060



Presenting Seiko Generation 1 RN Helicopter Pilot’s Watch – Military Issue 1988

 

This is a stunning watch

 

Has been well kept with light use The watch will be well packed, and comes with the NATO strap and presentation box as pictured.

 

The watch is 1988 issue and this is reflected on the reverse which has the code:7073/88

 

there are some issues with the chronograph function as follows:

-the second counter of the chronograph (which is actually the second hand on the main dial) is in reset position at 56 minutes

-the minute counter of the chronograph is in reset position at 8 minutes and currently does not appear to progress once the chronograph is engaged

 

These are the issue as at the point I am testing this watch - I have only ever used it for keeping time of which it has never had any issues

 

I would expect a very basic service might allow this watch to be brought to full functionality but based on the above this watch is sold as seen so please ask any questions prior to placing a bid on the auction. and please check out my feedback for full assurance of a smooth, genuine sale.

 

The watch was originally issued in 1988 and due to being a military issue, has usual marks on it as one would expect. It is a very desirable and highly collectible watch due to the fact that it is a practical and functional watch and the choice of the British Armed Forces for use with the helicopter pilots. Another thing adding to the collectability is the rarity of the watch, there were issued in no doubt in many numbers but not many survived life outside the armed forces where servicemen were required to give watches back once retired from the forces, on some occasions they could buy them if they wanted to keep them but not many servicemen took up this option. Genuine military issue item for the UK armed forces. If it is good enough for them, it is certainly good enough for everyday use. These are getting increasingly harder to find and as a result the prices are climbing. It is made in Japan with Japanese made quartz movement. It has a sandblasted all stainless steel case with fixed bars for operational security reasons. The dial is mat black with subsidiary seconds at the 6 position, the thirty minute elapsed timer at 9 and the 1/10th second elapsed timer at the 3 position. When the chronograph is activated, the 10th second timer moves straight into action in a very fast rotation. The inner bezel has sixty second markings, and the chronograph sixty second recorder is the sweep hand. This is comfortable to wear, and an excellent watch. Issue numbers on the case back are as follows 6645 -99, then 7683056, the broad arrow mark, then under that, 7073/88. Width is 38 mm excluding crown and 40 mm including crown and pushers. Lug to lug is 43 mm and thickness is 9 mm


Lousy photos and possibly some easily remedied chrono' faults - might be worth someone (capable of basic repairs) taking a gamble.  


December 13, 2013 at 8:39 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at December 7, 2013 at 8:54 AM

Getting back on topic - asking and selling prices for 7A28-7120 RAF (or RN) Gen. 1's ....

The eBay auction for that RN 7A28-7120 with the obliterated serial numbers / blue painted case-back ended a few moments ago:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121225853776



Yup. Yours truly was the high bidder @ £123 - less than half the seller's £250 reserve price. Thought someone might have outbid me.



That 'RN' with the obliterated serial nos / blue painted case-back is back re-listed again too: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121235128596

December 13, 2013 at 8:46 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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There'll always be plenty more ....


Another opportunist eBay seller looking for a Monkey (in more ways than one) for his 7A28-7120 RAF and / or NAVY Gen 1.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310820364913



Seiko Military Issue Chronograph Watch Generation 1 RAF/NAVY 7A28-7120 89' Model


Seiko Military Issue Chronograph Watch 

Generation 1 Model

Serial No; 8472/89 (meaning it was the 8472th issued that year, 1989)

Model: 7A28-7120 

The watch is in a Excellent used condition. 

All functions working as they should. 

Watch Glass has no marks scratches & Case only has very minimal wear.

This was obviously very much looked after & cared for (please inspect photos carefully). 

New Renata battery & case back gasket fitted using Seiko's own silicon sealing grease throughout. 

Comes with a new, never worn genuine military issue 'NATO' strap (please see photos). 

Many years of precise timekeeping with no hassle. 

Please inspect all photos throughly before bidding.


December 13, 2013 at 3:00 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Item #261353107060
The poor quality images make it almost impossible for me to bid! Moreover, there isn't an image of the back. Urgh. Annoying. The seller needs lessons on marketing.

Item #310820364913
Looks to be in rough shape. I'd rather pay £15 more for the other one (assuming no one else bids). But then again, your monkey comment has scarred me, so I may have to wait for a better deal to come along.

December 13, 2013 at 3:17 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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