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Seiko7A38
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And yet another allegedly Very Rare Watch :roll: - in fact another common-or-garden 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 listed just 15 minutes ago:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201016644438



Very rare watch , in untouched, not messed about, orignal condition, working fine ....but the 1/10s clock resets at 10....has its orignal strap... please see photos for a full description or you are welcome to come and view ..... There is strictly no returns on this watch, due to scammers, but please see my feedback, I have sold a lot of watches recently.....uk only auction ....thanks John


What's all this B/S about being 'very rare' ? :/ This is the Third one listed on eBay within 3 days and the Fourth in 2014 already ! :lol:


January 7, 2014 at 2:49 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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I see that auction was ended early this morning - because allegedly there was an error in the listing. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201016644438



Apart from the 'Very Rare' mistake, it wouldn't exactly surprise me if there genuinely was one.

I didn't recognise the seller's username beswickjohn immediately - but I should have done. 

Note his statement in the description: I have sold a lot of watches recently.....

He sold a couple that I remember anyway: a stainless 7A38-7270 and a stainless 7A38-7280 (which Simon outbid me to win). :P

But when he first listed them, earlier in November, he had mistakely swapped the two case-backs around between the two watches -

Hence both auction titles were wrong. Boy did he take some convincing to put right his mistake. Not the sharpest knife in the box.


January 11, 2014 at 11:43 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at January 4, 2014 at 5:35 PM

Not that I've ever seen a fake one, personally, but another 'GENUINE' 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 was listed this on eBay this afternoon:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171209658078


 

THIS IS A GENUINE ISSUE RAF/RN/AAC AIRCREW WATCH.

SEIKO. MADE OF STAINLESS STEEL & WATER RESISTANT.

 

WATCH REQUIRES A NEW BATTERY BUT WAS WORKING ABSOLUTELY FINE AND KEEPING EXCELLENT TIME. WATCH IS IN VERY GOOD CONDITION WITH MINIMAL SCRATCHES ON STAINLESS STEEL AND VERY LIGHT SCRATCH ON THE FACE. COMES WITH MoD ISSUE CANVAS STRAP.



That eBay auction for a 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 ended about half an hour ago. It sold for £370 after 24 bids.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171209658078

January 11, 2014 at 11:52 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Collector at December 17, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Holy moly, another cowboy asking for £999. Most ridiculous asking price to date, perhaps? It's also in borderline average condition, but the seller has the audacity to describe it as "mint condition" :roll:

It's back again !!  .... Same ridiculous £999.99 asking price and same claim of being in 'mint condition' too ! 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181300976361

January 13, 2014 at 11:36 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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Speaking of Cowboys and Indians  ....

Our Red Indian Native American named eBay seller from Oop North is at it again. :roll:


That 10-day eBay auction / Buy-it-Now listing I wrote about on the previous page ended about 5 minutes ago. There were no takers.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151202471287


Just like his other batch of three 7A28 Gen. 1's, five minutes later it's back again - relisted: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151209644552


January 13, 2014 at 12:36 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Seiko7A38
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It's back again !!  .... Same ridiculous £999.99 asking price and same claim of being in 'mint condition' too ! 


Oh well, I suppose it's a step in the right direction. :lol:

After re-listing it for less than 24 hours, the Buy-it-Now has been reduced from an absolutely ludicrous £999.99 to 'only' £549.99. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181300976361

January 14, 2014 at 9:29 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Our patriotic flag-waving eBay seller naiscs2005 is back again with yet another 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1. With the Union Jack backgrounds he uses, his listings all look very similar, but by my reckoning, this is the fourth we've seen him offer since July last year:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121257717534

 

Seiko Generation 1 RAF pilots wristwatch.

 

This is an issued watch as are all Generation 1 watches. The watch is Seiko model 7A28 7120 which is known to have a very good chronograph quartz movement.

 

The watch case back is marked: 6645-99   7683056   Pheon / Broad Arrow pointing up   0298/84   482323

 

The watch was manufactured by Seiko and issued in 1984. 

The watch is all original other than the strap. Original style brown nylon and leather straps are available online.

 

The original mineral glass crystal was heavily scratched and has been replaced with a beveled mineral glass crystal, the requested the original crystal will be provided to keep the watch complete. 

The original case also has minor marks which 99% of these issued watches have. The original dial and hands are in excellent condition. 

The original movement operates exactly as it should, with all chronograph functions operational. All hands reset and zero perfectly. Chronograph pushers operate correctly. Watch has a new battery.

The watch is a vintage military collectors piece and is not guaranteed waterproof.

 

In all a very genuine watch that has not been tinkered with as many of these watches have. The Seiko Generation 1 and 2's are to be honest the last RAF watches worth collecting, having a better build quality and movement than later, current and with MOD cuts, I would suggest any future issue watches ....


January 19, 2014 at 1:46 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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I'm still in catch-up mode from earlier today. Nearly missed reporting this eBay result. 

That 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 which was originally ridiculously over-priced at £999.99 sold against a best offer this morning:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181300976361


According to Goofbid's eBay Best Offer tool, the offer accepted was £450 - somewhat lower than the 'reduced' B-I-N of £549.99 too.


January 20, 2014 at 3:12 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Dunno why I'm even bothering to mention this listing. :roll:

The fact that this eBay business seller couldn't wait to take his own photos and is currently using a borrowed stock image from

Ned Frederick's website, but still has the gall to ask £350 for a non-runner in the meantime, just about sums it up in my book ! 


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121261002622


SEIKO GEN 1 RAF MILITARY WATCH 1984 

 

Watch stopped working a few years ago and a new battery never solved the problem. 

It has been sat in a drawer for 5 years and not sure what this is worth? 

I will make some enquiries and update the listing accordingly. 

 

I have been informed by Seiko that a that a full service will cost around £200. 

I have listed for £350 (Offers invited) as I can see a similar watch serviced for £550 on ebay. 

If you are a specialist and can service this watch at a reasonable price please contact me as I would like to restore this watch for sale if the price is right!

  

Please note the watch shown is a stock photo & I will upload actual photos shortly. 

Auction is for the watch only, there is no strap. 

For parts or full service/repair.


January 24, 2014 at 12:12 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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4 days later and eBay business seller 'joseph262010' (above) still hasn't added any photos of the actual watch. :roll:

So when I clocked the next listing, which also uses the same borrowed stock image as their primary photo, I had to do a double take.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171228689427


 

GENUINE MILITARY ISSUE SEIKO Gen 1 1986 used RAF PILOTS CHRONO KEEPS GOOD TIME

In perfect working order battery replaced 2 months ago.

Has new black nato strap.

numbers on reverse read-6645 - 99

7683056

military arrow

3228/86

A perfect example of this collectable now becoming rare military watch.

will pack well and include seiko box shown in photographs.


January 28, 2014 at 3:09 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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That 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 sold relatively quickly - yesterday evening, against a Best Offer:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171228689427



According to Goofbid it went for £425: http://www.goofbid.com/ebay_best_offers_tool.html?gbo_username=goonywoos




The way the offers came in - in a progressively increasing linear manner, I'd suspect it was the same two individuals bidding on it.


January 29, 2014 at 6:12 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I'm surprised that last one sold for the price it did- there were no pics of the back casing/markings. The price of the RAF Gen watches are usually highly influenced by the condition and visibility of the markings. For all we know, the back could be painted in blue :D

February 2, 2014 at 4:36 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at December 14, 2013 at 1:15 PM

Seiko7A38 at October 14, 2013 at 6:09 PM

 

White Man from North with Red Indian Native American  eBay user ID* - Him speak with forked tongue !  


No scalps taken on that first job lot of three 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's from the lodge of Big Chief Bull Rarely Seen.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310762280717


Re-listed 5 minutes later: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310769516848 and again, 10 days later: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310777592797

And again in November: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310786349987 and again, 10 days later: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310795068817

Yet again in November: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310804266896 and again in December: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151181275458



Just working back through my eBay watching page, deleting old entries that have been re-listed - some many times over.
This job lot of three 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's from mid-October are still unsold two months later. Hardly a surprise, really. 

Latest re-listing, earlier today (and updated):



Here we go again.  Currently re-listed twice in fact, as item #'s: 151227989369 and 310869840980 :roll:

February 9, 2014 at 2:19 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Meanwhile patriotic eBay seller naiscs2005's latest flag-bedecked 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 sold yesterday evening for the £550 asked.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121257717534

February 10, 2014 at 5:35 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Originally posted by Donwatch on February 13, 2014 at 5:04 PM ....


(as a new thread in this section, entitled) Worth Restoring ?


Up on Ebay Australia---RAF   #  33112867077  :/


Corrected link / item #: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Seiko-7A28-Military-RAF-pilots-watch-/331128670776


February 13, 2014 at 12:29 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Suggest you have a read through this thread and judge for yourself, Don. Top of page 2 would probably be a good place to start. ;)



In fact, that one was from the same Australian eBay seller ssall1. There's another parts / watch resto' project further down that page.

February 13, 2014 at 12:41 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Well there's an answer, of sorts, Don - sold for £129 / $215 after 28 bids by 15 different bidders - so plenty of interest.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/331128670776



Personally I'd say that watch was well beyond sensible economic restoration, because of the poor condition of the case.

I suspect somebody wanted it bady enough for the dial, because under that chipped and scratched crystal it didn't look too bad.

Then again, if you were looking to re-create a RAF Gen. 1 that had 'seen action', if that's your bag, it's probably an ideal starting point.


February 20, 2014 at 4:15 AM Flag Quote & Reply

donwatch
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I was thinking about testing my skill at sand blasting the case  :P But then again......

February 20, 2014 at 10:26 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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In a similar vein, but possibly a slightly better prospect - another 'spares or repairs' 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1 listed on eBay yesterday:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/61403955567



Here is a 7A28 Gen 1 Seiko pilots watch very much for spares. It has no crown and the wrong pushers, the glass appears to have been glued in by a blind spaniel and the case is tatty. However the movement is working (when a correct stem and crown is fitted), it has what I believe to be the right stem, the spacer for inside the case and the case back all present. I think the date stamp is 1984.


It's very sorry for itself, it is a long way from ready to wear. However it should provide a good movement for another watch, or the basis of a total restoration.


Do not bid if you have not read and understood the above; it needs work ....


February 21, 2014 at 11:32 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Our would-be Red Indian  Native American eBay seller from oop North really seems to have lost the plot. 

According to this search result, he's currently got that same batch of three 7A28-7120 RAF Gen. 1's (re)listed FOUR times now. :roll:




So much for the 'RARELY SEEN' bit then. 


February 21, 2014 at 12:52 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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